Worlds Greatest Player vs. the Peoples Champion
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If there both playing by the same rules shouldn't the better player still win? Any body want any side action i will make a small wager of 50 and take earl.
cl,
I'm going to have to disagree with your view. Any rule or table condition that decreases the "luck factor" inherent in rotation games makes it easier to identify the "better" player. I doubt either player is intimidated by the table. I'm also not sure that such a table is the sort of thing that Earl plays on regularly - certainly not with all the traveling he does. He just wants to eliminate luck as much as he can - I don't see anything wrong with that.
On the other hand, if either man really wanted to know who the "best" was, they would NOT be playing 10 ball; they would be playing straight pool. JMO.
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heres a fun little tip. Allen Hopkins had, or has a 10foot GC and has played on it for years.....I know its for sale. I think he put a diamond in his house? I wonder if that is why he has played so strong for so long? hmmm. I have room for a 10 footer here! 
maybe this will start a resurgence of BIG tables? the table mechanics would love that I bet!
G.
maybe this will start a resurgence of BIG tables? the table mechanics would love that I bet!
G.
I think you are missing the point. The advantage to Earl is the disadvantage that a 5x10 would create for the "other" player that does not have the stroke to make the much longer pots on a table with that much more green and who does not have the stroke to power the ball around the much bigger table in a rotational game of pool.
Making the game be played on harder conditions, and a 5x10 is harder RKC, not easier over the long haul, is going to be an advantage in the match for the player that shoots better.
Safety play, making balls on the break, making long pots, spining the ball around the table and playing shape, all of that stuff is going to be alot harder on a 5x10 table, and Earl feels that is where his better skill set would help him prevail.
The only issue is he is picking on the one guy in the world with a huge stroke, huge break, killer accuracy, and all of the other stuff that would make him probably also dominate on a 5x10. SVB's game is made such that if the sport was played exclusively on 5x10's he would win alot more tournaments as well.
that is a funny thought chris but its completely possible........shane is young and may not put in time into exercising besides shooting pool.....i can't say for certain b/c i don't know him.......but earl does advocate exercise, he runs and stuff like that. I know plenty of mid 40's and quite a bit older people that would give most of the 20yr olds i know the 6 out when it comes to being in shape.
tho i don't see the size of the table in regards to walking around becoming a factor in the match.......maybe if they played it straight through to 100 but thats not the case.........
in regards to earl and effren I've always heard that the race was originally to 100......and earl was up 100+ to 80 something at one point......then effren came back to win 120 to 116? whats the real deal story with the original 100 why did it change or is that story horse $hit.
-Grey Ghost-
I think you missed the point.
If this match goes, you got me for $50. (please confirm via PM)
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cart infront of horse
folks the dates havent been set the money hasnt been posted, lets just relax on putting dates out and let us get it confirmed before it dont happen! when u see the fler it will have the date on it! we should have something for you midweek! thanks
folks the dates havent been set the money hasnt been posted, lets just relax on putting dates out and let us get it confirmed before it dont happen! when u see the fler it will have the date on it! we should have something for you midweek! thanks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPOusCAcvP0
I thought it was 117-120 Efren but I am not at the end yet.
I am watching the match atm on Youtube, the entire thing is on there in 87 parts.
It is THE best pool playing I have ever seen in my entire life. The score is in the 48-42 range or so for Earl atm and Earl is shooting stronger then I have ever seen another player shoot, modern or otherwise. He is making absolutely nuts shots, he has not missed a "hard" shot yet. He HAS missed about 4-5 easy shots. Nevertheless he has put at least 2 5-packs out there and is averaging close to a 3 pack every time he gets to the table. Efren is doing everything in his power just to keep in the hunt with Earl shooting like he is.
I know Earl takes a much larger lead, it is not surprising at all because if you actually watch the match it is clear that Earl's top gear is higher then Efren's top gear, and when Earl hits that Efren can only try to mitigate the lead that Earl stretches the match too.
I can already tell, Earl is going to hit a huge gear, get a huge lead, and then since I know who wins this match and I know how Earl "can" shoot I forsee Earl imploding, losing that top gear by quite alot, and allowing Efren to come back and edge the match out.
Earl when he is playing his best in this very match is playing the best rotational pool that has ever been played. Most of the young players that Bartrum thinks are so much better even attempt the shots that Earl makes, and I have never seen anyone continually keep the pressure on like Earl did in this match.
Earl's head is always the thing that stopped Earl, his playing skill is unsurpassed, noone before or since has played rotational pool as well as Earl when he was on. And in this match alot of the time he is actually on. If anyone wants to see why Earl is considered as the best by so many people watch the match, get through the first few games of jitters and once Earl lossens up you will see some completely nuts shot making that dominates the players of today.
You forgot
"The table has not been built"
I know the skill requirements you're talking about....all of which Shane has to play on a 10' table and then some...so, where's the advantage for Earl?
He already lost a race to 100 to Shane by 37 games....so, bigger table and Earl wins? I highly doubt that...especially since Shane has already BEAT Earl before....he'll play him again...knowing he can already beat him.....how do you down play that kind of confidants?
Eliminating luck is one thing but is that really what's going on here? Call shot, call safe 10ball takes away a lot of luck. But does anyone really think Shane's luck is really what makes him so great? How lucky did he get when he robbed Mika? They played call shot 10ball. Shanes break is far from luck, putting him in a 6" break box takes that part of his game away.
It's pretty clear Earl thinks the table size gives him an advantage, just as a barbox would be a joke. Shane would rob earl on a barbox.
14.1 is just a differnt game. I don't think that proves anything either. I love 1pocket but that wouldn't prove anything either. People play games different and move better in different games. Larry bird and shaq play two completely different types of basketball but both amazing basketball players in their own way.
i wasn't sure thats why i put the question mark.....i just remember that its not but a handful of games that separated the w/l. But your description of the match is pretty spot on I've watched it through on google video as well but its been quite some time.
-Grey Ghost-
heres a fun little tip. Allen Hopkins had, or has a 10foot GC and has played on it for years.....I know its for sale. I think he put a diamond in his house? I wonder if that is why he has played so strong for so long? hmmm. I have room for a 10 footer here!
maybe this will start a resurgence of BIG tables? the table mechanics would love that I bet!
G.
It was an Olhausen 5'x10'...gone now, Allen had me deliver and set up a new Diamond 9ft ProAm in it's place
Soo glad this is gonna happen here in Ohio,I'm soo tired of having to drive hours one way just to sweat a match,now I only gotta go 45mins away..YAHH ME!!
I see a couple factors in this match that should make it closer but SVB still has to be the clear favorite.
First, Earl is playing better now than when he played Shane the first time. He's played well recently in tournaments and his confidence should be up.
Second, a 10' table will have more defensive battles and less B&R's. Although SVB has improved quite a bit on his defense and kicking, I still like Earl's defense better.
The problem I see for Earl is I doubt he shoots anywhere near as straight now as he did in his younger days. Shane shoots very straight and his young eyes should give him the edge pocketing balls on the 10' table.
my $.02
First, Earl is playing better now than when he played Shane the first time. He's played well recently in tournaments and his confidence should be up.
Second, a 10' table will have more defensive battles and less B&R's. Although SVB has improved quite a bit on his defense and kicking, I still like Earl's defense better.
The problem I see for Earl is I doubt he shoots anywhere near as straight now as he did in his younger days. Shane shoots very straight and his young eyes should give him the edge pocketing balls on the 10' table.
my $.02
Read the last line in my post. You know, the last line that you actually quoted...
im saying svb is in better pool shape.
thats all that matters here.
in fact it dont even matter here they playing a race to 33
each day.
play the whole race to 100 1 day.