Worlds Greatest Player vs. the Peoples Champion

The only thing about this match that I know for absolute sure is that there are no 10 foot Diamonds. This could be the loop hole for Shane to escape.
We are going to offer a 10 foot table that we will put Artemus rubber on and make the pocket size whatever Earl and Shane want.
 
cleary said:
So are you going to take Chip's 3:1 bet? You seem pretty confident so might as well get that free money, right?
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First, I am not on the action list to do that... and second what I said should make sense to anybody on here. I dont really see any 1 dominant pool player these days that I would say Earl has no chance. I didn't say Earl was garanteed a win like some basically did about Shane. Pro pool players (just like us Amatuers can win a matchup 1 time, only to lose the next. that was my point just because Shane won the first one certainly doesnt give him any advantage.

they are both great shotmakers. and the only thing that was holding Earl back was his goofy mental issues. so if that isn't a factor anymore what is there.

by playing on a 5x10 (if they agree to it), doesn't give anyone an advantage as I am sure Shane can find one to practice on... but it takes one possible thing off the list, to weigh on Earls mental state.

So why would n't we want to see a match where the are no excuses about luck or easy pockets. Point is either one can win on any give day.
 
SKJoss72 said:
First, I am not on the action list to do that... and second what I said should make sense to anybody on here. I dont really see any 1 dominant pool player these days that I would say Earl has no chance. I didn't say Earl was garanteed a win like some basically did about Shane. Pro pool players (just like us Amatuers can win a matchup 1 time, only to lose the next. that was my point just because Shane won the first one certainly doesnt give him any advantage.

they are both great shotmakers. and the only thing that was holding Earl back was his goofy mental issues. so if that isn't a factor anymore what is there.

by playing on a 5x10 (if they agree to it), doesn't give anyone an advantage as I am sure Shane can find one to practice on... but it takes one possible thing off the list, to weigh on Earls mental state.

So why would n't we want to see a match where the are no excuses about luck or easy pockets. Point is either one can win on any give day.
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What does shot making got to do with anything. Everybody makes all the balls the same. That is not what makes one player better than another. Why can one player beat players consistently. Why did the Phillipinos dominate pool when they first came over. What do they got that you aint got?
 
Get up and play by common rules on a common table if you are trying to "prove" something. If you are just looking to gaffe your way into $10k, I don't think that will work out for you either.[/QUOTE]

Not sure this is a fair statement. The standardized rules used in tournament play such as Express Texas for 9-Ball favor a huge amount of luck to seep into the game. When Mika got beat by Shane in the race to 100 it is uncany how much the rolls went Shane's way (he played awesome too) but Mika was always hooked when he came to the table because of Shane's good rolls. When gambling, I'd argue you'd want to eliminate as much of the luck and keep it to pure talent which i think the format they have chosen will do that.
 
gulyassy said:
What does shot making got to do with anything. Everybody makes all the balls the same. That is not what makes one player better than another. Why can one player beat players consistently. Why did the Phillipinos dominate pool when they first came over. What do they got that you aint got?
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look i am sure you know more about the game than i do but from my observations over the past few years there hasn't been one dominant player thats just destroying the playing field. from I have noticed about the philipinos they seem to have better kicking skills and are able to get out of safeties better to most US players. what do they have that i dont? Time to dedicate, natural ability who knows. What does shot maing have to do with it. nothing, thats what I said they are BOTH great shot makers. going to my point that either guy can win on any given day. so what is the point of what you were asking? alot of people oh here were dogging on Earl and I chime in to give another perspective, are you trying to prove their point (that shane is the dominant player) if so I am more confused than ever because Earl is your guy I thought
 
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Billychips, I sent you a pm.

I want sum. Those odds are too much to resist.

(sorry if I interrupted the table discussion :p Press on 'jackers)
 
horton129 said:
Get up and play by common rules on a common table if you are trying to "prove" something. If you are just looking to gaffe your way into $10k, I don't think that will work out for you either.
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Not sure this is a fair statement. The standardized rules used in tournament play such as Express Texas for 9-Ball favor a huge amount of luck to seep into the game. When Mika got beat by Shane in the race to 100 it is uncany how much the rolls went Shane's way (he played awesome too) but Mika was always hooked when he came to the table because of Shane's good rolls. When gambling, I'd argue you'd want to eliminate as much of the luck and keep it to pure talent which i think the format they have chosen will do that.[/QUOTE]

Call shot, call safe 10 ball is common rules with takes away luck other than the break. 9' foot diamond, goldcrown, etc are common tables. If you don't agree with my statement, that's fine but it's clear as day to me that playing on a 5x10 with 6"breakbox, 40 sec shotclock, 10ball last has zero to do with luck. Shane pounded earl before and it wasn't the "rolls".

I had the best seat in the house for mika/Shane and Shane didn't need any luck. If mika came to the table without a shot, do you think (just a little) that Shane didn't want him to have a shot if he missed?
 
SKJoss72 said:
First, I am not on the action list to do that... and second what I said should make sense to anybody on here. I dont really see any 1 dominant pool player these days that I would say Earl has no chance. I didn't say Earl was garanteed a win like some basically did about Shane. Pro pool players (just like us Amatuers can win a matchup 1 time, only to lose the next. that was my point just because Shane won the first one certainly doesnt give him any advantage.

they are both great shotmakers. and the only thing that was holding Earl back was his goofy mental issues. so if that isn't a factor anymore what is there.

by playing on a 5x10 (if they agree to it), doesn't give anyone an advantage as I am sure Shane can find one to practice on... but it takes one possible thing off the list, to weigh on Earls mental state.

So why would n't we want to see a match where the are no excuses about luck or easy pockets. Point is either one can win on any give day.
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You don't have to be on an action list, just post your money. You say it's a coinflip, which is even money. Crazy Chips is offering 3:1. You can triple your money if earl wins which you seem to think is just as likely as Shane. If someone offered you 3:1 on a coinflip, I hope to god you would do it.

It's just funny hearing people talk, then Chips offers 3:1 and nobody wants it. Earl fans know just how quickly he can fall apart and that's hard to bet on.
 
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gulyassy said:
The only thing about this match that I know for absolute sure is that there are no 10 foot Diamonds. This could be the loop hole for Shane to escape.
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Shane is looking to escape earl like I would be looking to escape the playboy mansion during a wild party.
 
SKJoss72 said:
look i am sure you know more about the game than i do but from my observations over the past few years there hasn't been one dominant player thats just destroying the playing field. from I have noticed about the philipinos they seem to have better kicking skills and are able to get out of safeties better to most US players. what do they have that i dont? Time to dedicate, natural ability who knows. What does shot maing have to do with it. nothing, thats what I said they are BOTH great shot makers. going to my point that either guy can win on any given day. so what is the point of what you were asking? alot of people oh here were dogging on Earl and I chime in to give another perspective, are you trying to prove their point (that shane is the dominant player) if so I am more confused than ever because Earl is your guy I thought
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I am not directing this at any one person, I don't know who any of you are, I am just throwing out my thoughts. This is what makes me sponsor Earl. I believe that Earl can win because he is the most seasoned player. This is the one part of pool that makes the better player better. Cue ball control is what makes Efren the magician, it made Buddy Hall unbeatable in his hay day, it is what makes the players of the year. Everybody makes balls the exact same way but the cue ball is the difference. Shane has the best break I have ever seen. Earl has a good break. Earl has a great cue ball. Shane's cue ball is great.They both make the great shots. This game will reveal the best player on a 5 x 10. No luck 10 ball is as hard as it gets. There will be no situation like one player missing a ball and hooking his opponent. If a player misses a ball he will suffer the penalty and if he is good enough he will come out of it favorably. The best player will win this match.
 
cleary said:
You don't have to be on an action list, just post your money. You say it's a coinflip, which is even money. Crazy Chips is offering 3:1. You can triple your money if earl wins which you seem to think is just as likely as Shane. If someone offered you 3:1 on a coinflip, I hope to god you would do it.

It's just funny hearing people talk, then Chips offers 3:1 and nobody wants it. Earl fans know just how quickly he can fall apart and that's hard to bet on.
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If this guy shows up at the match with 3 to1 odds he better bring a suitcase full of money.
 
In theory this could go all the way 99 to 100

199 games of 10 ball = 1990 balls pocketed

Round to 2000 divide by 200 = 10 games of 14.1 race to 200pts ea

I think Race to 5 of 14.1
One point per game to the winner
Total balls pocketed to break a 5-5 tie
Would be a more accurate measure of the true Champion.

Just my opinion.

Sorry to rain on the 10 ball parade...

I love the way straight pool is listed in the rules section of The 99 Critical Shots in Pool ;

" 14.1 Continuous (Championship Game) "
 
MoonshineMattK said:
In theory this could go all the way 99 to 100

199 games of 10 ball = 1990 balls pocketed

Round to 2000 divide by 200 = 10 games of 14.1 race to 200pts ea

I think Race to 5 of 14.1
One point per game to the winner
Total balls pocketed to break a 5-5 tie
Would be a more accurate measure of the true Champion.

Just my opinion.

Sorry to rain on the 10 ball parade...

I love the way straight pool is listed in the rules section of The 99 Critical Shots in Pool ;

" 14.1 Continuous (Championship Game) "
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This just in on the fancy new telegraph machine.....

No one plays straight pool.
 
gulyassy said:
I am not directing this at any one person, I don't know who any of you are, I am just throwing out my thoughts. This is what makes me sponsor Earl. I believe that Earl can win because he is the most seasoned player. This is the one part of pool that makes the better player better. Cue ball control is what makes Efren the magician, it made Buddy Hall unbeatable in his hay day, it is what makes the players of the year. Everybody makes balls the exact same way but the cue ball is the difference. Shane has the best break I have ever seen. Earl has a good break. Earl has a great cue ball. Shane's cue ball is great.They both make the great shots. This game will reveal the best player on a 5 x 10. No luck 10 ball is as hard as it gets. There will be no situation like one player missing a ball and hooking his opponent. If a player misses a ball he will suffer the penalty and if he is good enough he will come out of it favorably. The best player will win this match.
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That explains it very clearly,great post mr.classy,btw do you know a man named tom vanover,he says good things about your pool playing days,
 
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