Super Aramith Pro Balls Skidding

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SpiderWebComm

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I have a set of Super Aramith Pro balls with the measle ball and they're always skidding. No matter how polished/clean I keep them, the things skid constantly. On Thursdays, I play in a pool hall that has Centennials and they never skid, ever (almost ever).

They say these things are identical. If that's the case, why do they play differently and why do the Aramith Pros skid?

I don't buy it.
 
Brunswick's are made by Aramith but to Brunswick specs and Aramith to there own spec. They may be a different hardness of material but the overall finish to a micon standard is finer on Aramith then Brunswick.

also depends on the stroke applied to the balls.
the type of cloth and how it it cleaned yours and there's.
how the balls are cleaned machine wise and wax or polish type.
are you using the same chalk cube on both shots.
tempature and humidity in both rooms.

1 or all could apply.

Craig
 
I have a set of the Super Pros - they play great with no skidding. I use Aramith Ball Cleaner on them and keep them super clean. I have Simonis 860 cloth on my table. Could it be your cloth? Have you ever waxed the balls?
 
I have a set of Aramith Tournament balls w/ Measel Ball ....and very rarely do they skid, when i was playing with unmatched sets of centenials at the pool hall, balls were always skidding !!!

-Steve
 
Some blame the balls, some blame the cloth and some even blame the table. Skidding, the "Bigfoot" of pool. Some people see it but know one knows for sure where it came from.:wink:
 
On the skids

My Centennials skid more than a Nascar race at Darlington. It is a combination of many things and unless you change usually more than 1 of them, it continues (i.e. humidity, cloth type, clean vs. dirty, etc). You will have a hard time pinning it all down and stopping it.
 
I have simonis 760 with like 20% humidity (I like my basement like a desert), master chalk. I vaccuum my table all time-- I'm OCD when it comes to keeping my stuff clean. I use that Karseal cleaner and that mini-buffer.
 
Personally I'm not a fan of some of these cleaners, they leave a film or residue so I use a 50/50 mix of isopropyl and distilled water. Not sure what that one is you use.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
I have a set of Super Aramith Pro balls with the measle ball and they're always skidding. No matter how polished/clean I keep them, the things skid constantly. On Thursdays, I play in a pool hall that has Centennials and they never skid, ever (almost ever).

They say these things are identical. If that's the case, why do they play differently and why do the Aramith Pros skid?

I don't buy it.
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Simonis is super skiddy and so are phenolic balls - I miss Stevens cloth and clay balls a little. What sort of cleaning solution are you using? Anything with wax in it will make 'em skid and attract dirt. IMO, the best cleaners are Tiger and Aramith.
 
Ky Boy said:
Is this an intentional mis-spelling Fatboy???:D:eek:


Gary
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Gary,


hope have been well, and no I invented that word and will use it time to time, I must be respectful to Mike, Jerry, and Mr. Wilson the bosses here at AZB. Otherwise I'd use it in every post I make on this topic of skidding balls, I might even change my screen name. But Simonis is a sponser and they are a great company for pool, that seems to have ruined their product line-for reasons unknown to me.

I have all the top of the line Aramith balls, Durmith 4 balls, TV Balls, Old and new sets. Same for Centennials and 6 or 7 different kinds of "Good" CB's and we get skids here constantly(in the dry air of Vegas or the CB jumps op sometimes 3/4" at the most, usually its 1/4", sometimes the OB jumps up but usually not as high.

As a matter of fact I was out of Vegas for a month and the first time I hit balls 4 nights ago for 15 minutes I was shooting all the balls into one hole for practice, I have poor lighting over my Diamond able right now(another story) I could see 4 out of 5 OB's jump up(or hop up) 1/8" clear as could be because the light is not directly above the table, so its easy to see the balls jump, and while I made them the CB's intended path wasnt rolling true as a result. I almost made a thread about that. The ratio of skids to hops is about 6 hops and 4 skids out of every 10 times thats gonna happen, which can be in EVERY rack of one pocket when its real dry. Dosent happen at Cue Club here because with all the people inside the humidity is high enough that it happens less often.

I dont remember what cloth I played on in Koln Germany, Dirk Janis would know, if you read this Dirk please let me know, I'm switching to that cloth, it was dry there and We didnt have any skids, I watched the Premire League players play and one guy had a horrible skid, not a jump/hop, but skid-just one and I played and watched enough pool to see enough to know thats the cloth I want.

I have old Simonis it has "Fuzz" on it, Tony at Black Boar has real old 860, its fuzzy too and its clear to anyone who can see, or blind people who can feel, they are shaving the fuzz right doen to the weave nowdays, the cloth plays longer and sliperlyer. Thats why 860 came out as 760 was to slick. now the difference between 860 and 760 isnt as much as when Simonis had it right.

I been batteling this for 2 years, Ask Bobby Cotton, he can play lots better than me, and knows more than me, and he has played over 1000 hours at my house, he just wrote a book about playing for 40 years on the road he seen it all, I aint nuts or making this up. his book is great BTW,

best regards,

Eric

PS: This change in Simonis upsets me, if you havent noticed.
 
Like Fatboy says, blame the cloth.
But it isn't a Simonis exclusive.

When we had a table recovered, balls were doing all sorts of weird dancing.
The problem went away with more play on the table.

If you watch any UK snooker tournaments you will see it happening all the time.
Lighter snooker balls react more than pool balls.
Snooker cloth used to have a nap.
Now it is shaved.
The tables are heated and are frequently recovered.
Just to keep things as dry as Vegas:grin:

Out of idle curiosity, is there any cloth that does not give problems when it is new?
 
Can someone explain how the cloth affects skidding? Logically, it's hard for me to get my hands around that. I can understand ball cleanliness and humidity -- but, I'm confused how the cloth would play a part.

I have 760 that's about 3 years old and is wore in pretty good. If the general consensus is that cloth affects (or can affect for that matter) skidding, I'm going to go ahead and get it re-covered.

I'm considering 860HR --- if you were going to re-cloth your table, what would you choose??

Dave
 
just out of curiosity, does anyone that uses the chalk off notice more of a problem with skidding? I wondered what the long term effects of spraying that stuff on a cloth could do. I dont use it so I have no idea. To be honest I wanted to wait awhile and see how people felt about it after using it for a couple of years.
 
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Fatboy said:
I have all the top of the line Aramith balls, Durmith 4 balls, TV Balls, Old and new sets. Same for Centennials and 6 or 7 different kinds of "Good" CB's
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Not to get too far off point, but how do you like the new aramiths. I have aramith super pro, centennial and the new tournament aramiths. I usually use brillianize on the balls and aramith cleaner for the cue ball and the tournament aramiths seem to hold up better than the other two. Rarely skids, cleaner and keeps the shine much longer.

A buddy who was playing with new centennials cleaned with brillianize on the table next to me could not believe how much better my balls looked and opened after a few hours of play.





Fatboy said:
Bobby Cotton, he can play lots better than me, and knows more than me, and he has played over 1000 hours at my house, he just wrote a book about playing for 40 years on the road he seen it all, I aint nuts or making this up. his book is great BTW,
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what is the name of the book and where can I get one?
 
I’m gonna take my stab at this, was gonna do it on the diamond table thread but couldn’t get through 13 pages.

Could be as simple as new balls are the same size and when they’re the same size they meet at the equator more often which makes it easier for the cb to pull down on the ob.

Most pool rooms the cbs are smaller than the object balls cuz they get worn out faster and they would be hitting slightly under the ob equator and I would think that would make it tougher for the cb to climb up on the ob causing a slight backspin. (Home sets get worn less)

Also in most pool room sets the 8, 9 & 1 B may be slightly smaller making it easier for cbs to climb up on, hence the dreaded 9B skid struck at that oh so careful speed.

I use to play in a room where I cut balls thinner and cleaner than any other room and never knew why till one day I measured and noticed how worn out and small the cbs where. Smaller cbs did 2 things (I think)
1 is if I was aiming with what my brain thought was 2 ¼ inch ball bit was really 2 1/8 well then guess what, thinner hit and 2 perhaps the cb was hitting slightly under the equator make CID in general less?

And the last thing I would think is that cleaner dry cloth offers less friction at the base of the ball and that makes it a little easier to pull off line but that one I really don’t know about?

The reason I was gonna post it on the diamond thread is because most of the time in recent years our events are on clean diamonds with new balls and I think the same thing would be happening if it were any other table in the same places.

I just hit some 30 degree shots without marking up the balls to make them skid or anything and with a quick look I think a slightly bigger cb on a smaller ob has the most CID. I used 3 different cbs with 2 sizes of object balls.

That’s my guess.
Would I bet a pinky on it? No
but I'll take it over the static electricity ;)
 
When you guys say skid, you mean a kick in snooker, right? If so, I find certain chalks will cause it as well, which is why I don't use the absurdly sticky/cakey Master chalk. I've also noticed that it's also caused by indentations on spots on the table caused by people repeatedly hammering balls down onto the cloth. Eventually, a depression forms that kicks the object ball up if it laid to rest there. I've also noticed that underground venues with high humidity have an effect on how often kicks occur, although poor and jabby cueing shouldn't be ruled out.
 
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