drunken alex live in the finals
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From the rules:
6.16 Unsportsmanlike Conduct
The normal penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct is the same as for a serious foul, but the referee may impose a penalty depending on his judgment of the conduct. Among other penalties possible are a warning; a standard-foul penalty, which will count as part of a three-foul sequence if applicable; a serious-foul penalty; loss of a rack, set or match; ejection from the competition possibly with forfeiture of all prizes, trophies and standings points.
The normal penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct is the same as for a serious foul, but the referee may impose a penalty depending on his judgment of the conduct. Among other penalties possible are a warning; a standard-foul penalty, which will count as part of a three-foul sequence if applicable; a serious-foul penalty; loss of a rack, set or match; ejection from the competition possibly with forfeiture of all prizes, trophies and standings points.
Dennis,
Is he trying to take the event seriously, but can't because he's drunk, or just making a total mockery of it?
Also, thanks for your updates this whole week. They've been great!
- Steve
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Bob: I just texted this to Bill, but we shall see.
Dennis,
Is he trying to take the event seriously, but can't because he's drunk, or just making a total mockery of it?
Also, thanks for your updates this whole week. They've been great!
- Steve
P.S. Got the disc you sent. Too afraid to watch it yet... but I will, and thanks.
Drunk and talking while Darren shooting, chaos, did what he wanted with no penalty.
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well its Alex and like all stars the rules do not apply to them. I personally think as limited exposure 14.1 gets, that was a poor way to represent the finals. Imagine if Niels and Daz were the final match. Just saying, no way they would have allowed that in the 9ball 1p or banks finals.
I think it is disrespectful as well but I must say if it were not for Alex and him being drunk, no one I know would even care about this match or the whole event for that matter. I am not defending him but rather just stating a fact about how pathetic the state of the game as far as viewership is concerned.
I seriously dont like the idea of him showing up for a match intoxicated, but he brings the viewers that few others do. I wouldnt want to be in the position to decide what to do regarding his actions.
I seriously dont like the idea of him showing up for a match intoxicated, but he brings the viewers that few others do. I wouldnt want to be in the position to decide what to do regarding his actions.
Alex is no longer a child. He is an adult. He is no longer an amateur. He is a professional. People pay to watch his skills. I shudder to think of all the asinine things I did in High school and college. But I learned early on that when I became a pro I had to drop all that. Obviously Alex hasnt learned his lessons yet. He behaved like a rank amateur. A pro represents those who came before him to give him the venue he now has.
A pro thinks of all those behind the scenes that worked tirelessly to give him this stage.
Thanks to Bob Jewett, Bill M, DMG Walsh, SMJ, Greg Sullivan, etc. who kept this event alive not for great monetary rewards but for the love and passion for the game.
Alex you disappointed a lot of us.
Oh and where was Ken Shuman when he was needed?
A pro thinks of all those behind the scenes that worked tirelessly to give him this stage.
Thanks to Bob Jewett, Bill M, DMG Walsh, SMJ, Greg Sullivan, etc. who kept this event alive not for great monetary rewards but for the love and passion for the game.
Alex you disappointed a lot of us.
Oh and where was Ken Shuman when he was needed?
I didn't see this thread, I posted over in the forum..Alex being Alex. A very detailed Idea of the way things went by my opinion. Maybe the Mods can move it over here to this thread...I was pretty disgusted. He should have been warned, I think that's why Pat took the camera off of Alex while Darren was still playing Neils, in the SF. You could see them looking up at Alex from5 tables away where they were playing...Thanks for allowing me to vent
Dennis,
Is he trying to take the event seriously, but can't because he's drunk, or just making a total mockery of it?
Also, thanks for your updates this whole week. They've been great!
- Steve
P.S. Got the disc you sent. Too afraid to watch it yet... but I will, and thanks.
Hey guys,
I'm just now seeing this thread (I'd signed-off for the night at around 11:00pm). Thus, I didn't get to see the match.
I'm sorry to hear that Alex jumped over the line. In another thread, I'd defended his off-kilter behavior as "that's just Alex, but we need a character like him to draw more folks into our game." But if what I'm reading here about the finals is true, I'm very, very sorry and embarrassed. I do stand by what I wrote about needing a character like Alex in 14.1, if he'd take it seriously as he alluded he would in his post-Mike Davis match interview with Samm Diep. But to make a mockery of the sport afterwards is just atrocious. (Again, I didn't see the match, so I'm only going by what folks've written here.)
Very sorry, folks,
-Sean
Here's the link to the "Alex being Alex" thread over in the Main forum:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=218580
Mixed feelings / posts over in that thread, but if the basic tenets are true (i.e. Alex being drunk, talking during his opponent's turn, being obnoxious, etc.) I'm very disappointed and saddened.
And, unfortunately, it's posts like this:
...that show just how bad a rap 14.1 has in the rest of the pool world, only to have Alex's drunken incident add insult to injury.
I can understand why Alex hit the bottle. He did lose the Master of the Table title to Shane by a hair, even thought technically, Alex did better than Shane in all 3 events, when you average things out (Shane basically went 2 and out in the Bank pool division, but Alex placed high in all three divisions). That's $20K and a respected title that went up in smoke. But to then take "vengeance" in a 14.1 challenge that had nothing to do with points, rankings, or anything like that -- to me, is just obnoxious and disrespectful.
Again, I may be speaking out of turn, because I didn't see the match in question -- only going by what I read here and on the Main Forum.
Thoughts?
-Sean
Rather then faulting Alex for being drunk and engaging in other unsportsmanlike conduct, we should be faulting the referrees for not doing their jobs and enforcing the rules.
The worst thing is he disrespected the game. He has been one of my favorite players to watch but IMO he should not be allowed in a tournament again after that.
Bob Jewett does this out of the kindness of his heart and love for the game and it is disgusting to have a player disrespect that.
Withhold his prize money, if he cared about the money he wouldn't have gotten drunk.
Bob Jewett does this out of the kindness of his heart and love for the game and it is disgusting to have a player disrespect that.
Withhold his prize money, if he cared about the money he wouldn't have gotten drunk.
Marop was in a tough position. They had rescheduled the semis and finals from 11 am and 1:30 pm with full production and referees on the last day. That is why I left rather than wait 24 hours between the last Friday match and the first Saturday match. Then they had no ref and Bill had to do it himself. He wanted to cancel the match because of Alex's behavior and people like Pat Fleming and Danny Diliberto told him he couldn't do it. There were about 400 people clamoring for the match and we left Bill in a bad spot.
If we do it next year, we will have to anticipate behavior like this and have warnings and rules in place including forfeiture of all prize monies, as Bob Jewett mentioned in another thread. While entertaining for those at the venue, it does not show much respect for our game or our event.
I saw and heard all of Alex's antics on the stream from the he got there before the match started through the entire 14.1 match.
I would minimally ban him from playing the 14.1 event at the Derby next year and I would put him on a type of probation for the other events. If he acts up next year (plays drunk, talks while other player is shooting, etc.), I would ban him from the Derby for life.
Sure, for a while it was entertaining watching a drunk Alex, be Alex....but there is no room for that type of behavior at a professional tournament.
I would minimally ban him from playing the 14.1 event at the Derby next year and I would put him on a type of probation for the other events. If he acts up next year (plays drunk, talks while other player is shooting, etc.), I would ban him from the Derby for life.
Sure, for a while it was entertaining watching a drunk Alex, be Alex....but there is no room for that type of behavior at a professional tournament.
DMG,
Good idea.
Another good idea would be to ban Alex from the event for 2 or 3 years. Allowing him to get away "scott free" seems a bad precedent.
IMO, the time to penalize a player for unsportsmanlike conduct is during the match. After all, imposing a penalty during the match can alter the outcome significantly.
According to Dennis:
"He (Marop) wanted to cancel the match because of Alex's behavior and people like Pat Fleming and Danny Diliberto told him he couldn't do it. There were about 400 people clamoring for the match and we left Bill in a bad spot."
We're setting a bad precedent by letting Pat Fleming and Danny Diliberto overule the referree. There's no point in having rules in place if the Accu-stat producers are only interested in money and can arbitrarily overule the referree's decisions.
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I agree and actually I just deleted a post with my thoughts on what appears to have been a debacle. But I decided I would wait to hear Bill's side before posting.
Lou Figueroa
Hrrm. can't think of another "sport" that would tolerate this, not even darts :lol:
I'd like to hear Pat Fleming's and Danny Diliberto's side of this. Alex's conduct should have warranted a forfeiture. However, we cannot overlook the misconduct by Pat and Danny in looking the other way and allowing this to happen.