8 year old in the "Pit" at SBE

[Nibroc]

lol

I wonder what there going to do to that poor 8 year old boy when they arrest him for gambling pool? That might ruin his life he better quit that stuff.

DogsPlayingPool
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Gambling in pool is sort of a funny thing. First off, the game is almost entirely one of skill and not luck. Poker, table games, the track and other such stuff are to significant degrees games of chance, no matter how skilled one may be at them.

Is there luck in poker yes(more in the short term, longterm is what matters) is there skill yes( alot more skill then luck that is involved, there is luck with everything) therefore if you try and get good at poker and keep trying to improve and have a bigger sample size then more then just one for which goes for about anything competitive then poker is a game of skill and is nothing at all comparbale to tables games which have an edge for the house and can not be worked around, and horses which yes you can bet on the fav consistently and win but it just aint gonna be enough with the fluctuation in betting odds to do you any good.

get 30 people and send 10 out to poker, 10 out to table games, and 10 out to horses and have them try as hard as they can to become good and winning for what they are trying for. those 10 for table games, and 10 for horses aint gonna have a chance overall and more then fifty percent of them are going to be broke probly 70% or 80% more like it, but for poker if they try and have a good sample and learn the right things which is possible then most of them probably all of them if went about the right way will be consistent winners.

again this is why i think poker and pool aren't gambling because if you get skilled at them then you will succeed. others yes some will get lucky but overall aint gonna work.

 

[punter]

Someone posted a image on my facebook of a 8 year old playing in the "Pit" at the SBE Expo....

Now nobody stated he was gambling but I can't imagine in the "Pit" he was playing for funsies

I look at this and go "Really?" I think it is probably one of the worst examples I can image representing our sport..I wouldn't want anyone I know seeing the image and going "oh THAT's the expo you went to"


Now the question is...what do you think?


R

So, the kid's a late bloomer.

 

[hippiepool2]

Interesting post Nibroc .....however , riddle me this hypothetical ......I am an inexperienced poker player , and am playing against a pro .... I have 4 aces ....they have 4 kings ...... explain to me how they can beat me .....?

 

[richiebalto]

Interesting post Nibroc .....however , riddle me this hypothetical ......I am an inexperienced poker player , and am playing against a pro .... I have 4 aces ....they have 4 kings ...... explain to me how they can beat me .....?

Only one way they can beat you,if they make you fold,which i dont think you would do with that hand.

 

[elvicash]

How old was Wu when he won the world 9-ball championships? How old is the average top tennis pro when they start to compete on the pro circuit? What are your thoughts on a basketball player when they are in middle school and show clear talent that will likely lead them to the NBA and are thus groomed by many adults on the road there?

But a kid, with his dad, plays a $20 game of pool on a table in a public area (but...but... it is named the PIT!!! Ohh scary!) and our sport is going straight to hell and this is the reason we are not seeing multi-million dollar sponserships. Uh Huh, yeah right. Give me a break.

Any sport, and I mean ANY sport in which a person rises to the top means they probably did not spend their youth riding their bike and trading stickers with their friends. They ALL grew up early to get to the top of their sport whatever that sport is.

The kid had some fun, played a couple games for $20 which was probably a treat for him and a cool experience his dad let him have, and now he is a celebrity of AZBilliards as the poster child for the downfall of the sport.

Way to screw over a harmless little bit of fun, hopefully he gets to see this thread so his memory of it can be screwed up and tarnished by all you holier then thou beacons of all that is pure in the world.

Here Here now Celtic I ask you to cease and desist AZ is no place to be speaking with common sense. We here on AZ most it seem would not want childen to be given a chance to compete on a big stage it might cast our sport in a bad way, even though without doubt there I have sceen it in rooms all across the country with kids gambling but it should never be done at a national gathering. Of course alot of that was in the past sadly children now want to stay home and war out there thumbs playing games rate M for Mature like Call Of Duty.

I must be a bad guy but I aggree with Celtic, I say let the kid play.

 

[DogsPlayingPool]

Is there luck in poker yes(more in the short term, longterm is what matters) is there skill yes( alot more skill then luck that is involved, there is luck with everything) therefore if you try and get good at poker and keep trying to improve and have a bigger sample size then more then just one for which goes for about anything competitive then poker is a game of skill and is nothing at all comparbale to tables games which have an edge for the house and can not be worked around, and horses which yes you can bet on the fav consistently and win but it just aint gonna be enough with the fluctuation in betting odds to do you any good.

get 30 people and send 10 out to poker, 10 out to table games, and 10 out to horses and have them try as hard as they can to become good and winning for what they are trying for. those 10 for table games, and 10 for horses aint gonna have a chance overall and more then fifty percent of them are going to be broke probly 70% or 80% more like it, but for poker if they try and have a good sample and learn the right things which is possible then most of them probably all of them if went about the right way will be consistent winners.

again this is why i think poker and pool aren't gambling because if you get skilled at them then you will succeed. others yes some will get lucky but overall aint gonna work.

I agree there is more skill in poker than some other gambling propositions. But it still has a significant amount of luck attached to it. It is not even comparable to pool in terms of being a game of skill. A Chris Moneymaker can come out of nowhere and win the main event at the WS, but there is no way I'm winning the U.S. Open 10 Ball and there are far fewer competitors to beat and I would only have to beat about 8 of them. It is one reason poker has gotten so big - it is possible with luck, for just about anyone who is decent at the game to win if the cards go his way at the right times. In pool, I don't care how many rolls a "decent" player gets, he's not taking down a big event - ever.

Yes, I agree there is more skill to poker than the other things I mentioned, but I wasn't arguing that. But poker still falls way closer to those games than it does to pool in regard to the level of skill versus luck.

 

[Nibroc]

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Interesting post Nibroc .....however , riddle me this hypothetical ......I am an inexperienced poker player , and am playing against a pro .... I have 4 aces ....they have 4 kings ...... explain to me how they can beat me .....?

the answer in that situation is that the four kings will always lose to the four aces. I never said that pros could use magic or mind tricks an make an opponents fold a hand like that. Like i did say little situations dont matter one hand doesnt matter at all what matters is the long run and many thousands of hands or several hundred tournaments if not even thousands. Its a hard thing to understand but a good cash rate in tournaments for top pros miught be like 10-15% range. Thats cashing like 1 to 1 1/2 times out of every ten tournaments. Thats because tournaments have more luck because if you lose all your chips your out and cant buy back in. thats also why most poker money is one in cash games, because set lower blinds to stack sizes, you can buy back in if make a mistake or take bad beat but these things are going to happen so thats why you need huge sample size. also most tournament players in these 10k events arent winners because it is hard for to cash in only10-15% thats why onlines better because can play way way more tournaments thenever could live so makes it easier

 

[jimmyg]

Bringing your 8 year old son to gamble at SBE is little different than a mother bringing her 8 year daughter to a stripper convention and letting her have a go at making a few dollars on the pole. IMO

J

 

[classiccues]

I was there and it was his father cheering him on. Not to be stereotypical but they were southerners, who have their own way of doing things. At least if this is the kid playing on Sat. night.

I remember in about 1999 or 2000 some kid wanting to flip me for a hundred. He was no older than the table kid. It's the atmosphere, and the thrill. The kid played pretty sporty, and the term "paying for an education" applies.

You don't want to see it, but it happens. I am sure when he is 12 his father will shoot him to the city to man him up.

JV

 

[Black-Balled]

...I am a christian and have super strong beliefs in god and put him number one over anything he is my number one love. ...i dont see anything wrong with pool or poker being played
.... Then how could playing pool or poker for some money if it is not a problem and not over there head be a sin. I ...

Convenient view, for you. Hard to read, for the rest of us!

I wonder what there going to do to that poor 8 year old boy when they arrest him for gambling pool? That might ruin his life he better quit that stuff....

More likely is that the SBE pays a hefty fine and/ or does not get permission to run again. Way more to lose than to gain.

And for direct (to child) affect? Guaranteed, the kid wins a few thou- regardless of losses- and he fails to develop any respect for money. He is not going to be looking to work and he will suffer in the long run. To quote Nibroc,"That might ruin his life". yeah.

 

[classiccues]

Convenient view, for you. Hard to read, for the rest of us!


More likely is that the SBE pays a hefty fine and/ or does not get permission to run again. Way more to lose than to gain.

And for direct (to child) affect? Guaranteed, the kid wins a few thou- regardless of losses- and he fails to develop any respect for money. He is not going to be looking to work and he will suffer in the long run. To quote Nibroc,"That might ruin his life". yeah.

The SBE has a junior tourney. The only thing I could see is an age curphew. No one underaged, downstairs after 10 pm.

JV

 

[radge69]

I've told this story before, but I'll tell it again. At one of the state tournaments a few years ago, one of the top pro's was there for the weekend (not playing). On Sunday as all the final matches are going, some parents of a kid who was maybe 6 at the time gave him a dollar and told him to go ask that guy if he wanted to play for a dollar. The pro accepts the offer and off to the other side of the room they go (away from the finals matches). They played 8 ball for probably 30 minutes, with the pro hooking himself, kicking and banking, giving the kid plenty of chances to shoot. I believe they finished even or the kid was up a couple bucks. Those two had more people watching them than any of the finals matches. Did these parents corrupt their kid for life, or did that kid get the chance of a lifetime for a young shooter to play SVB a few games? You can make the arguement that they weren't gambling as SVB wasn't going to take this kids money, but the bottom line is they were still playing for $1 a game. The smile on that kids face after they were done was priceless.

 

[bobroberts]

I've told this story before, but I'll tell it again. At one of the state tournaments a few years ago, one of the top pro's was there for the weekend (not playing). On Sunday as all the final matches are going, some parents of a kid who was maybe 6 at the time gave him a dollar and told him to go ask that guy if he wanted to play for a dollar. The pro accepts the offer and off to the other side of the room they go (away from the finals matches). They played 8 ball for probably 30 minutes, with the pro hooking himself, kicking and banking, giving the kid plenty of chances to shoot. I believe they finished even or the kid was up a couple bucks. Those two had more people watching them than any of the finals matches. Did these parents corrupt their kid for life, or did that kid get the chance of a lifetime for a young shooter to play SVB a few games? You can make the arguement that they weren't gambling as SVB wasn't going to take this kids money, but the bottom line is they were still playing for $1 a game. The smile on that kids face after they were done was priceless.

Sounds like 2 entirely different circumstances. The one in the pit, might just turn out to become a pro and a gambler and be broke and on the road the rest of his life. Instead of taking him to the SVB, they should take him to a museum. The dumbing down of Americans continue.

 

[cleary]

What about parents that take their kids to mcdonalds?? Are they automatically making thier kids fat?

When I was a kid, 7 or 8, I learned to play poker with my parents and other family members on holidays and get togethers. Cheap, used quarters instead of chips. It was family fun. Did my parents lead me down a dark road to a horrible life? No, not at all. First of all, how someone raises their children is not my place to judge. Gambling can get ugly just like drinking. My dad also gave me a sip of beer when I was a kid. I never took another drink til I was 18 and while I enjoy getting a drunk sometimes and betting a little, I don't have a problem with either.

I have no problem with an 8 year old jumping in the pit. And I dont think that nessisarly makes a parent bad for allowing it. If my 8 year old wants a beer, they can try a sip. Educating children how to control themselves is more important than saying "no, you can't do that". Just my opinion I guess.

 

[one stroke]

I was there when the kid showed up. Eddie A. was at the table and the kid stepped up. I think his Dad was behind him, and there was some controversy because they wanted Eddie to give the kid a spot and I don't think Eddie was agreeing to it.

Then I think there was some concern, probably because the kid could have been some monster player in the Juniors.

Needless to say...EVERYONE was rooting for the kid. It was actually kinda cute. He had a shot on the 8, and people were coaching and encouraging him to take his time, etc. Well, he played the 8 RAIL-FIRST to get shape on the 9 and the place went wild! I thought the roof was going to come down, you would have thought he just won the SuperBowl.

Everyone was laughing and enjoying the show. The kid made the 9 and then had a tough shot on the 10 and just missed it, but he left Eddie a nasty bank.

Well, as you have read by now, Eddie scratched on the 10 and the kid won that way. The place erupted again and the hooting and hollering was off the chain!

I thought the whole thing was kinda cute. The kid then had to play Shane Winters who beat him, and some people booed him, but it was all in fun.

If it were me, I would have given the kid a $20 win/lose just for stepping up in that den of thieves, but that's just me.

I agree, it is not the best environment for a child, but his Dad was with him, and Father knows best...LOL.

I have attached a couple of low-qual pix of the kid. I think the man in the yellow is his father, really not sure.

Their is at least five young men in that picture that have been their since they were juniors and played in the pit I saw john morra win 5k when he was 14,, he is a fine young man as is his father , many of them are fine young men ,

you get your class morals and ethics at home and you apply them out in public if that's how u were taught,, no sport teaches class they just try to make it appear that way but at the end of the day when the tux or the uniform comes off your left with who's underneath and how they were brought up


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[billy]

I agree.

I also think that it is a mistake to ASSume he was gambling.

... but was he chewing tobacco?

 

[itsfroze]

I agree

There's prob 20 million kids middle school and under who play poker. At least as many who show up to the gym every day and kick each other in the head, learning to fight.

Pool doesn't have a black eye or a bad image.... it's just boring to watch on tv; therefore, there are no sponsors. Years ago, pool HAD sponsors before Mackey & Company screwed the pooch.

The only black eye pool has (had) are its leaders screwing the big name sponsors, when they did come.

I couldn't agree more gambling has nothing to do with why pool isn't on TV. What spider says has a lot to do with it ,but I would also have to say that a lot of it was also the piss poor way ESPN presented it. I have a lot more I could say but don't feel like getting angry right now. I was always told if your going to do something do it right, ESPN didn't even come close. I am very passionate about this subject if your not even going to show the whole match don't even bother putting it on. But don't say pool doesn't translate well to TV when they have done such a horrible job producing the broadcasts. ESPN go out and buy a few Accu-Stats DVD's just maybe you'll learn something. MAYBE !!

 

[itsfroze]

Could'nt agree more

How old was Wu when he won the world 9-ball championships? How old is the average top tennis pro when they start to compete on the pro circuit? What are your thoughts on a basketball player when they are in middle school and show clear talent that will likely lead them to the NBA and are thus groomed by many adults on the road there?

But a kid, with his dad, plays a $20 game of pool on a table in a public area (but...but... it is named the PIT!!! Ohh scary!) and our sport is going straight to hell and this is the reason we are not seeing multi-million dollar sponserships. Uh Huh, yeah right. Give me a break.

Any sport, and I mean ANY sport in which a person rises to the top means they probably did not spend their youth riding their bike and trading stickers with their friends. They ALL grew up early to get to the top of their sport whatever that sport is.

The kid had some fun, played a couple games for $20 which was probably a treat for him and a cool experience his dad let him have, and now he is a celebrity of AZBilliards as the poster child for the downfall of the sport.

Way to screw over a harmless little bit of fun, hopefully he gets to see this thread so his memory of it can be screwed up and tarnished by all you holier then thou beacons of all that is pure in the world.

I agree 100% very well said.

 

[richiebalto]

I couldn't agree more gambling has nothing to do with why pool isn't on TV. What spider says has a lot to do with it ,but I would also have to say that a lot of it was also the piss poor way ESPN presented it. I have a lot more I could say but don't feel like getting angry right now. I was always told if your going to do something do it right, ESPN didn't even come close. I am very passionate about this subject if your not even going to show the whole match don't even bother putting it on. But don't say pool doesn't translate well to TV when they have done such a horrible job producing the broadcasts. ESPN go out and buy a few Accu-Stats DVD's just maybe you'll learn something. MAYBE !!

What a great post!

 

[Nibroc]

blackballed please explain

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Originally Posted by Nibroc
...I am a christian and have super strong beliefs in god and put him number one over anything he is my number one love. ...i dont see anything wrong with pool or poker being played
.... Then how could playing pool or poker for some money if it is not a problem and not over there head be a sin. I ...

Convenient view, for you. Hard to read, for the rest of us!

please explain your thoughts if you will? thank you!