Yep, not a nit. Don't worry about it.
Am I a nit??
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Yep, not a nit. Don't worry about it.
The op offered his opponent a chance to get his money back playing the same game, same bet.
When the opponent wanted to change it by doubling the bet, the op recognized it may be a move and said 'if you want to double the bet, I will, but I want the breaks'.
I still say smart, not nit.
Best,
Brian kc
What is the move? If the OP loses the second set he is only out what he would have been had he lost the first set. If he wins the second set he in now up three times the amount of the first set. It is actually a push with the OP getting a chance to parlay the other guys money. Heck, the guy may have been getting his nose open and may have gone bust at a losing game, who knows. All the OP did was tell they guy he was not worth gambling with. I think the OP screwed himself and came off looking like a fool. Another thing, people are watching and they judge what they may do with him based on what they see him do with others.
He just broadcast he is no good to gamble with and even the suckers will steer clear. No wants to be that kind of guy in the pool room. We all know them they won't play unless they have a guarantee they will win. Their idea of a fair game is 80 20 their way and even with that they lack the confidence to keep playing if they should lose even if they think they have the best of it. The OP accepted the game in the beginning because he liked it and won. Now he thinks he can't win, anymore? WTF. The OP is the one who should be trying to raise the bet.
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No doubt about it . . .
You are a nit! Also a pansy, sissy, momma's boy, your very manhood might be questionable. Were I to do exactly the same thing, now that is being smart!
Race to three one pocket between two decent players is short enough to be a bit of a crapshoot. If you really got a little lucky or played a little over your head to win you would be silly to adjust the game in the other player's favor. That does include changing the bet to one you don't like. Do note this is from your perspective. If you were happy with the idea of doubling up, nothing wrong with it. If it was going to be a factor in your game, then yes you needed to balance that factor or maybe a bit more since the idea of gambling is to turn a profit, either short term or long term. If you are trying to make money now, don't accept match-ups that are coin tosses or worse.
I have known a double handful of gamblers that were successful in the long term over the years. Every one of them would be described as nits or worse on this forum. None would care though, they would just laugh as they pocketed the money.
What were the road players that knew over 90% of the time they were playing in the guppy pond?
Hu
You are a nit! Also a pansy, sissy, momma's boy, your very manhood might be questionable. Were I to do exactly the same thing, now that is being smart!
Race to three one pocket between two decent players is short enough to be a bit of a crapshoot. If you really got a little lucky or played a little over your head to win you would be silly to adjust the game in the other player's favor. That does include changing the bet to one you don't like. Do note this is from your perspective. If you were happy with the idea of doubling up, nothing wrong with it. If it was going to be a factor in your game, then yes you needed to balance that factor or maybe a bit more since the idea of gambling is to turn a profit, either short term or long term. If you are trying to make money now, don't accept match-ups that are coin tosses or worse.
I have known a double handful of gamblers that were successful in the long term over the years. Every one of them would be described as nits or worse on this forum. None would care though, they would just laugh as they pocketed the money.
What were the road players that knew over 90% of the time they were playing in the guppy pond?
Hu
Hey ShootingArts,
You are the Man! I am still laughing at the way you put it. although, I like what you said!
Regards,
Lock N Load.
You are the Man! I am still laughing at the way you put it. although, I like what you said!
Regards,
Lock N Load.
Wish someone would sell nit caps and shirts.
I doubt the OP is a professional player trying to pay his bills with his pool winnings. He is a guy who goes to the pool room to match up. There are many reasons to play, some just like being the center of attention for a while as everybody gathers around to watch the match. There is a certain amount of prestige being a "player" in a room. People actually look up to you. No one wants to be the local "Nit" and pool room joke. You just want to play fair games and compete in a sport you have chosen. making any money is just a extra but playing is the most important part. You make the best and fairest games.
If you have to ask.....
Really?
As Hu said it: got a little lucky or played a little over your head to win you would be silly to adjust the game in the other player's favor. Please don't say the double-up by the better player isn't a move.
And would you like to agree to take the worst of it and bet you can win 2 sets in a row? If so, I bet there is a long line of people you can play.
Your second paragraph is absolute bunk and your opinion, except the fact that some of the biggest scores are made by allowing the other player to go off.
As Hu said it: got a little lucky or played a little over your head to win you would be silly to adjust the game in the other player's favor. Please don't say the double-up by the better player isn't a move.
And would you like to agree to take the worst of it and bet you can win 2 sets in a row? If so, I bet there is a long line of people you can play.
Your second paragraph is absolute bunk and your opinion, except the fact that some of the biggest scores are made by allowing the other player to go off.
all we have is his viewpoint
All we have here is the OP's viewpoint. He felt he was in a bad game to begin with and he obviously wasn't happy to double the bet. In that case it was very smart to give the other player two choices, leave the bet alone or change the spot. I usually split the difference telling the other player we will play another set like this and then consider a change. This gives them a carrot to play more without committing to a thing. If I win two sets I probably do have an edge today plus I am playing on his money when I double up. If I lose the second set the other player is even now and probably quite content to play a third set at the original stake unless he was trying to hustle.
It is very easy to be loved around a pool hall. Just match up so that you have to play your very best game to have a 50-50 chance of winning. You'll have so many "friends" that you can't get in two minutes of practice.
Hu
All we have here is the OP's viewpoint. He felt he was in a bad game to begin with and he obviously wasn't happy to double the bet. In that case it was very smart to give the other player two choices, leave the bet alone or change the spot. I usually split the difference telling the other player we will play another set like this and then consider a change. This gives them a carrot to play more without committing to a thing. If I win two sets I probably do have an edge today plus I am playing on his money when I double up. If I lose the second set the other player is even now and probably quite content to play a third set at the original stake unless he was trying to hustle.
It is very easy to be loved around a pool hall. Just match up so that you have to play your very best game to have a 50-50 chance of winning. You'll have so many "friends" that you can't get in two minutes of practice.
Hu
I can only go by experience. I have spent like 50 years in pool rooms many behind the counter or bar as an owner. You get to watch thousands of hours of play and develop opinions on what players should do in certain situations. In fact I usually knew who would win most of the time guys matched up more so then they did. I often saw guys too afraid to win, they didn't even know when they had the best of it and would quit winning games just out of fear or because they lose a game or two. I once drove 40 miles each way to play a guy three of four times a week and lost maybe the first 6 or 7 times we played. I think the guys in that pool room thought I was nuts or a sucker. You know when I began beating him and I never lost to him again. In fact he left a message at the pool room where I hung out not to come anymore. He wouldn't even play anymore with weight.
I used to hang around Danny DiLiberto a lot and he never waked into the pool room without playing. He rarely just hung around he always made a game usually taking the worst of it. You know what he didn't always lose he would out run the nuts all the time.
The point is, why does someone play pool? If they go to the pool room looking to make money and just lock up players that is fine, but they should not delude themselves into thinking they are some kind of player. What someone does on the road is one thing, but what you do and how you treat the other players where you hang out is another. The best you should be hope for at your home room is to play good matches and improve your skills not sitting around trying to trap your friends.
I don't know that this applies to the OP and he is free to do what ever he wants but he put it out there for opinions and I gave mine. It is just a philosophy. We all know the stories of the great action rooms and they all have the same thing in common, players that will get up and play. Some of the conversation you often hear now in the poolrooms is so tiring you just want to go home and watch TV. Half these guys would not play no matter what.
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Originally Posted by jimmyg
Can't one be a "nit" and also be "smart"? Or, do you have to be "stupid" in order not to be a "nit"? J Quote]
Thanks Brian, as long as I know that I can be both a "nit" and "smart" at the same time I'll still be able to shave in front of a mirror.
J
Originally Posted by jimmyg
Can't one be a "nit" and also be "smart"? Or, do you have to be "stupid" in order not to be a "nit"? J Quote]
Thanks Brian, as long as I know that I can be both a "nit" and "smart" at the same time I'll still be able to shave in front of a mirror.
J
Macguy is it this guy's fault whoever he was playing was too impatient or incompetent to rob him properly? Seriously he's going to invest 1 set and just quit down if the guy won't jack it up right after that?
Oh and why would he quit hmm? Maybe cause he'd have to put in too much effort for too little money and risk killing his action? Never heard of that happening before
Oh and why would he quit hmm? Maybe cause he'd have to put in too much effort for too little money and risk killing his action? Never heard of that happening before
I admit I may have gotten off on a tangent on the subject a bit. As far as why the guy quit, he may not have really wanted to play anymore in the first place and was just woofing and asking for more weight got him off the hook. Best would have just been to ignore the comment and say, "No I am happy with the bet, it's what we agreed to", and not woof back asking for more weight. The OP may have allowed him to escape. They were both more interested in winning the woofing game then actually playing. Staying on the table is the real goal you don't want the guy to walk away. It sounds like there was more negotiating to be done. Then again the OP may have been happy to just take the money and run who knows.
I considered myself lucky to have won the first race, because the OP is a better player. If we continued to play with the same spot he would eventually have robbed me.
By trying to negotiate a better spot it was my way of protecting myself from his move of doubling the bet.
He had two chances to recoup his cash......Play with the existing spot or increase the weight and double the bet, he chose neither as I sat idly by waiting for him to choose one.
By trying to negotiate a better spot it was my way of protecting myself from his move of doubling the bet.
He had two chances to recoup his cash......Play with the existing spot or increase the weight and double the bet, he chose neither as I sat idly by waiting for him to choose one.
Forgot to add- I like to ask if we are adjusting the game after every set when this happens...:wink:
And the real nit is....
I think the stronger player trying to stong arm a weaker player into doubling the bet and getting pissy cuz he wouldn't go for the move is the nit.
It amazes me that when you go off you're a sucker and when you smart your a nit
I mean isn't the 'lose the first set and double the bet move' the oldest one in the books?? He offered to play him again and cuz the stronger player could man up and fight for his money I think he is nit.
I think the stronger player trying to stong arm a weaker player into doubling the bet and getting pissy cuz he wouldn't go for the move is the nit.
It amazes me that when you go off you're a sucker and when you smart your a nit
I mean isn't the 'lose the first set and double the bet move' the oldest one in the books?? He offered to play him again and cuz the stronger player could man up and fight for his money I think he is nit.
asking for more weight was a little nitty.
just say you dont want to bet more.
and maybe you have the best of it 9 7.
Do you like sleeping in your car?
Are you willing to let your family starve so you can go off to a better player for your entire paycheck?
Are you OK with leaving the pool room busted because you kept playing when you were tired, just so you didn't have to quit winner?
If you answered "no" to any of these questions, then by most definitions, you are a nit. Sorry.
Are you willing to let your family starve so you can go off to a better player for your entire paycheck?
Are you OK with leaving the pool room busted because you kept playing when you were tired, just so you didn't have to quit winner?
If you answered "no" to any of these questions, then by most definitions, you are a nit. Sorry.
Do you like sleeping in your car?
Are you willing to let your family starve so you can go off to a better player for your entire paycheck?
Are you OK with leaving the pool room busted because you kept playing when you were tired, just so you didn't have to quit winner?
If you answered "no" to any of these questions, then by most definitions, you are a nit. Sorry.
Oh crap! Busted!
Back to shaving without the mirror.
J
You must be a nit for him to have to ask you that. He just wanted you to bet some of your own money and not his money right back at him and you said no...with the other guy stuck.
Super Nit!
Super Nit!