He does claim to learn from non-players. We now have proof, c/o JBKY.
When is it ok to "quit winner"?
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He does claim to learn from non-players. We now have proof, c/o JBKY.
I can only report on matching up the way it happened in NYC over the last 30 years. A true money player was considered someone who never quit when he was ahead, even if it meant playing for 20 hours or more. The loser was always given the courtesy to end it or continue. That type of money player was the most respected player in the pool room.
Second to that would be a player who set the rules before the match started, and then stuck to them. If he said 3 sets, then it was over after 3sets.
But never did a player quit just because he was winning --- and his opponent wanted to continue. He'd never get another game in the pool room if he did that.
Second to that would be a player who set the rules before the match started, and then stuck to them. If he said 3 sets, then it was over after 3sets.
But never did a player quit just because he was winning --- and his opponent wanted to continue. He'd never get another game in the pool room if he did that.
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When I do play set's for pocket change that I am able to throw away, I always tell my apponent that I have one dead line at night. Once that dead line has been meet, winning or losing, I crack my Cue. Sometimes the sets have lasted 2 weeks, because of the agreement. Just because of family/ work life comes first. If my apponent doesn't like that then they don't have to play, and we continue on our merry way.
Just make sure that if you are playing for money that the unspoken rules are spoken. This saves both players time and money.
*Cheers*
Just make sure that if you are playing for money that the unspoken rules are spoken. This saves both players time and money.
*Cheers*
This is how I always played. The OP's friend is a nit.
Not sure we really have enough info to put that hat on the guy...maybe he felt the hershey squirts comin on?
And if they are regularly in the same place, perhaps the matchup continues?
When is a gunfight over? When someone's dead. You can't just walk out the door and declare yourself the winner. Unless you're a nit.
It is always OK but the people you play with will form opinions on you that will effect future play. When you match up, say getting some weight the player would like to think you will play long enough for the game to prove itself. If one is a quitter they are not worth playing and risking losing to. The only games they will ever be offered will be traps.
In my opinion that is a very naive and unsophisticated view of gambling.
I'm tired of people glorifying gambling at pool like it is some kind of prestigious competition... the only people that complain about "quitting winner" are people that probably should not have been gambling to begin with or are gambling to pay their living and they dish out the "quitting winner" just as much as they get it done to them... the only difference between a person who "quit winner" and the guy complaining about someone "quitting winner" is the amount of money in their pocket. If this is how you choose to make your living so be it, but the other guy quitting while ahead is part of the risk you take. If you come play me for money and I am ahead at 11pm, guess what... Im gonna quit because I have to go to work the next day. Closed.
Let me get this straight, he won the first set and then played another. It looks like he DID give you a chance to get even.
What always bugged me about these threads is that the discussion is usually about sets for $20-$100. If you can't deal with a buddy beating you out of $200 on a given night, then you shouldn't be gambling with him. If he beats you out of $200 and then never plays you again, you may have a case.
It is NOT a rule to make anything fair. That is just loser mentality. The reason it is a rule is because the whole idea is to make money. If you quit winner, how much money did you just throw away?? I say that, because of how much more would he have lost that you now won't get?? Quitting winner USUALLY, but not ALWAYS means that you just robbed yourself.
Now, if the game is much closer than you liked, and you feel you just played your best, and suspect that he is just warming up, then you are a loser if you DON'T quit winner!
Guys, the whole purpose of gambling is to make some money! You have to know when to hold them, and when to fold them.
I agree with this post, makes sense.
Is it really an unwritten rule that you don't quit winner?? Simple answer, yes! Unfortunately, that is where most people stop, and then they end up distorting WHY that is the rule.
It is NOT a rule to make anything fair. That is just loser mentality. The reason it is a rule is because the whole idea is to make money. If you quit winner, how much money did you just throw away?? I say that, because of how much more would he have lost that you now won't get?? Quitting winner USUALLY, but not ALWAYS means that you just robbed yourself.
Now, if the game is much closer than you liked, and you feel you just played your best, and suspect that he is just warming up, then you are a loser if you DON'T quit winner!
Guys, the whole purpose of gambling is to make some money! You have to know when to hold them, and when to fold them.
Now, if you are trying to string some guy along, and he gets the first set or two and then quits, well, too darn bad. You took a gamble on what he would do, and you were wrong! Own it and face it. It happens. That's why it's called gambling. Some people you can string along, some are smarter than that and quit when they should. It's all part of the "game".
Another reason people quit winner is to get away from "bad action". I was beating a short fat guy in a cowboy hat who was high as a kite on something, my guess here in Missouri would be meth combined with alcohol. Loud, obnoxious, high as a kite, probably carrying, upset that he was losing.
A road player would have stayed and beat the guy out of everything he had including the cowboy hat but to me it isn't worth it.
No sympathy, you posted your money and took your shot. Twice.
If someone said to me that I had to give them a chance to make their money back after 2 sets I would tell you that in the first chance I gave you a chance to win my money, you didn't and I won your money, now it's mine.
In the second set I gave you another chance to win MY money, you didn't, now I have more money, after you lose the money, it's not yours, it's mine, I earned and you have no right to it.
How many spins do you want? How many chances do you want to get into MY pocket.
As an earlier poster said gambling is about making money. Quitting winner is more about taking more money off the loser than it is giving him a chance at your pocket.
If someone said to me that I had to give them a chance to make their money back after 2 sets I would tell you that in the first chance I gave you a chance to win my money, you didn't and I won your money, now it's mine.
In the second set I gave you another chance to win MY money, you didn't, now I have more money, after you lose the money, it's not yours, it's mine, I earned and you have no right to it.
How many spins do you want? How many chances do you want to get into MY pocket.
As an earlier poster said gambling is about making money. Quitting winner is more about taking more money off the loser than it is giving him a chance at your pocket.
It has nothing to do with making a living or being able to afford it. It's about the better play (at that spot) should win. And if you keep playing, the better player SHOULD win in the long run. Funny things happen and the rolls can go against you in a set. If you feel you should have won, play again. If they don't give you the chance to play again, then they know they got luck and don't want to give the money back.
Always discuss how much time you can play before matching up, saves a lot of crying on either side.
Quit me winner and you probably won't get paid for that last set. If you have to leave at 11pm...I'll understand, but you better tell me at 9pm.
These threads are retarded though. The guys that quit ahead are the same guys that don't gamble.
ANYTIME is an ok time to quit winner. When you match up and play for money, the assumption is that one of you will walk away with the other's money. Otherwise, if the intention is to 'always give the other guy a chance to win his money back', then why play for money at all?!?
If you want to ensure that someone doesn't just win a set or two and take the money and run, make him lock up prior to your start. Guarantee a minimum of a certain number of sets. After that, NO ONE is obligated. And NO ONE can be pissed if the other quits.
You say you lost the first set, and then the second. Then he left without giving you a chance to win your money back. (Psssssst. The second set WAS your chance to win your money back. All you did was lose more of it. Whose fault is that??)