TVmike has proven untrustworthy

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Fatboy2 said:
All this over $200??? and the same people ask why pool is hurting. infighting among industry people in public over $200. Man thats pathetic. I like Jay, he is important in pool but just handle it privatly and its chump change. even when I was broke $200 wasnt shit to me.

Be pound wise and penny foolish, not penny wise and pound foolish. its not a difficult concept, warning people about someone is ok, but putting all the biz in the street is why AZB is toxic sometimes. Nobody really cares. I dont. I been scammed by a cue maker, case maker for alot more than this I handled it privately.



i just dont get it. my only reason for posting this is to show the boss man one of the reasons AZB aint what it was.


shame,
eric
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You're right Eric. This thread has only had 12,000+ views so nobody cares. And AZB isn't what it used to be. It's much better! This forum (and the accompanying website) is one of the most valuable assets in the pool world, known to all and read by most on a regular basis. This thread was never about the money. It was about something called PRINCIPLE and HONOR! I guess that message was lost on you.
 
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OMG... I havent done that much reading in years.. all 17 pages in a lil over an hour. I feel for you reading now trying to make the last page! READ ON BROTHA! I now wish I knew how to attach a picture of a huge bag of popcorn for added hilarity.

I also think that we should honestly keep this going now.. I want to come back and check up on things every so often and see how every one is doing and read another 17 pages. If only we had a PocketPoint to add to this threads drama it would be perfect..?
 
Fatboy2 said:
All this over $200??? and the same people ask why pool is hurting. infighting among industry people in public over $200. Man thats pathetic. I like Jay, he is important in pool but just handle it privatly and its chump change. even when I was broke $200 wasnt shit to me.

Be pound wise and penny foolish, not penny wise and pound foolish. its not a difficult concept, warning people about someone is ok, but putting all the biz in the street is why AZB is toxic sometimes. Nobody really cares. I dont. I been scammed by a cue maker, case maker for alot more than this I handled it privately.



i just dont get it. my only reason for posting this is to show the boss man one of the reasons AZB aint what it was.


shame,
eric
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The amount of money isn't even the issue. It's about somebody trying to play Jay who won't have it and is standing up for himself. Who's the bigger man? The one who hides and hides or the guy who exposes himself to the whole community over it? I actually appreciate and have a ton of respect for this exposure. Better than being kept a secret like so many other things we experience in life. At worst, Jay has convinced the majority of AZ'ers to keep away from TV Mike and has probably saved people a ton of money and hassle. I, like many others, also payed for the Bad Blood Event and it doesn't settle very well knowing the true character we are seeing by someone who has our money. I can already tell by reading his responses that there's something not right with his story, and I'm by no means on anyone's side.

Btw, $200 is a lot of money to some people in a recession. We're not all millionaires. Some of us hustle from 330am and work until 8pm, five days a week.
 
1. We did have a verbal agreement that you reneged on.
2. You held the DVD's hostage until I sent you money. EXTORTION was your new negotiating tactic.
3. What I got for $8 each was cheap copies, quality still unknown.
4. You've now received a total of $360 from me. You have also sold I don't know how many copies, which you also agreed not to do.
5. You badgered me repeatedly for more money, with emotional and nonsensical e-mails.
6. You took five months to do something that was originally promised in a couple of weeks (your words). Of course that was before "we" (you!) made a new deal.
7. You mislabeled a package to me and blamed me for not receiving it, calling me a liar as well.
8. You have conducted yourself like a third grader for months now. And not a very nice third grader at that. You should be sitting in a corner facing the wall!
9. I made exactly ZERO off the tournament! I paid all my own expenses to come there and like you I have bills to pay, much larger than yours I'm sure. I do get a free room which I offered to share with you.
10. And finally, I was a fool to get involved with you. I promise it won't happen again.



1. We had general loose arrangement but there is no way would I do all that work for and expect nothing? You did make money from the event so why wouldn’t of you given me anything? Bizarre. You don’t a have a business agreement when there is no money being paid. If anything we were doing each other favors.

2. Again I’m not authoring or mastering menus and DVDS for free certainly not when I had so many expenses. Is that not reasonable what I asked you for? $200? Give me a break my gas alone was more than that.

3. Cheap copies? Don’t understand the point. Those are very high quality secured discs with custom laser etched labels. If you wanted dvd boxes with prints you sure as hell never said so and doing so would be a lot more expense and work. There is no such thing as a copy, this is digital everything is a copy an identical copy of the master which is a copy of data from the hardrive itself.

4. And there is problem how? You paid me partially for my work done and then we agreed that you would pay me to make the DVDS with security and my future cut so nobody could copy them and sell them outside me or you. Do you just not remember anything? You may have told me to not sell the DVDS but I would of never ageed to that. I mean that’s crazy that was my work and I didn’t even get paid for it. But if it makes you feel any better I don’t promote those really and haven’t sold more than a few copies but I can make them at request as the masters are on call.

5. False. Badgered you for payments for the DVDS I didn’t badger you for more money except when I went the DVDS to get paid. I told you I needed the payment bills but evidently you don’t think that makes any sense. This is after I sent you the Alex P DVDS that took forever to get to you.

6. 5 Months what are you even talking about? Did I not send the DVDS shortly after we agreed how that deal was to be done? Yes I did and you never complained about them or anything. I even asked you are selling them do you need more because I sent them a while ago and figured you sold them. You haven’t done anything with them. How is that on me? Once I got back from Derby I was so busy I didn’t have time to anything I had my own work to do, streaming like 4 or 5 nights a week and time went by. It wasn’t personal and you didn’t’ pay me for months after how does one expect to be appreciated? Am I to work for free when I have to make my own DVDS to make to make money? I only have one computer.

7. I suppose I did screw the address up somehow omitting a number and yes that was fault. But what made me so mad is that you outwardly accused me not only not sending the package but trying to rip you off for money when my girlfriend even told you I mailed them. You had absolutely no reason to not trust that I mailed them as I mailed you orders previously am I correct. The only reason I accused you of lying about getting them is you firstly a nastily accused me of outwardly trying to scam you out of money no matter if my girlfriend told you I mailed them or not. Now that was the last straw.

8. I agree that I have emotionally let myself get upset over very little but principal is a lot to me not too mention you decided to make this a public issue and bash me with your version of the story which has changed multiple times.

9. Ok to your admittance you took money from the tournament to pay expenses so why couldn’t of you paid me $400 or $200 or something. Do you know how it would of made me feel if after the gig you came up to and said here Mike here is $200 bucks I appreciate everything you did and you did a good job. $200 seems really low but at least it would have been something and it would of made me feel so much more appreciated.

10. I appreciate the work we did together. I have every single email we did and although I may have in your eyes changed the deal when it came down to it we agreed to something new when actually money was paid for my work. You didn’t have to agree it to it just like I didn’t have to come out there and do the work for free at the time.


Looking at the original email I asked for $500 for my expenses to do the work to author and master the DVDS, you paid me $250 and then when we decided to make the DVDS here I told you that you can forget the other $250 as I will absorb those costs to get the masters done but the agreement was that you will pay me $8 per DVD which pays for the work to make them with security and my future cut of the sales. SO then we agreed that I would mail you the DVDS and you would pay for them and you did several times and we expressed many emails back and forth. So you paid $250 then paid 80 and got dvds then paid another 80 for more dvds. Then this alex deal is 160 30 for bad blood then the replacement Alex DVDS 160 all of which you still owe for. That’s it. I don’t know how you are OUT money? You paid $250 for my video and dvd work then bought DVDS including my future profit. If you haven’t sold them yet then I mean that’s on you. How do you think that this has cost you all kinds of money?

I’m sorry it’s come to this it was a pleasure to do the event and I’m sorry but making this whole issue public was a mistake.
 
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I just recieved the $350 payment from the gentleman who is advancing me payment so I can get about my business and pay my bills. Once you pay me Jay I will send the money back to him.
 
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I would suggest that both you gentleman revise the way you do business. It doesn't take much to put down on paper what you agree to verbally. This way nothing is mis-understood no matter how well you know each other and for whatever amount of money(generally over $50-$100). Also receipts for shipping and balances due or product due or sent really helps.
Just my JMO! Business is Business!
 
TVmike said:
I just recieved the $350 payment from the gentleman who is advancing me payment so I can get about my business and pay my bills. Once you pay me Jay I will send the money back to him.
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Have you been up all night??? Don't you have a stream to do later today? I happy for you that someone sent you some money. I would love to know who,and why someone did this. It must be someone that really wants you at the benefit. You brought that into this topic,,,and it seems it worked out for you.

Comparable to holding a sign on the corner ,,begging,,,internet style!!! "I will stream for exspenses."

But then again this seems kinda familiar,,,made deal to stream,,this time for free,,and then at last minute realize,,,,Damm,, I need some money somehow!! lol ( I really hope I don't see Dawn's memorial tournament for sale tomorrow!!) The way this thread is going,,I wouldn't be all that surprised.

One mo thing,,do you really think Jay cares you now owe someone $350 and ,,Hmmmm,,and how do you pay back $350 with $160???

I'm beginning to think the meth or crack thing is not to far fetched?? Have you ever done crack??
 
Dude,

Your missing the point! You never denied the legitimacy of the original aggreement! YOU DID NOT HAVE TO SAY YES TO THE TERMS!

Jay could have had the raw footage editted himself or hired someone to do it for him.

YOU REFUSED TO SEND THE FOOTAGE!!!!!!!

You only notified JAY of your change of heart regarding the agreement after the event was over and it was to late to find a replacement!!!!

Sincerely,
KD

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TVmike said:
I just recieved the $350 payment from the gentleman who is advancing me payment so I can get about my business and pay my bills. Once you pay me Jay I will send the money back to him.
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This will be the next thread on AZbilliards in months to come.

Gentleman: TVmike I will advance you $350, if it will heal you up but I do expect you to pay me back in a timely manner.

TVmike: Thank you sir that is very nice of you. As no one on AZbilliards understands me. I'm really an honest person and care about human life.

Gentleman: Is PayPal okay.

TVmike: Yes sir, TVmike looks at GF and says this guy just don't know no better.

5 months later:

Gentleman: Hey TVmike just checking with you how is payment on my money coming.

TVmike: Hey look man I told you when Jay Helfert paid me the money he owes me for some DVD's where I use to stream pool/billiard events that I would repay you the money.

Gentleman: No TVmike that was not our initial agreement.

TVmike: Look man I told you when Jay Helfert paid me you would get paid, just think about it and you will remember.

Gentleman: No TVmike when I loaned you the money Jay Helfert never came up in our conversation. So I want my money ASAP.

TVmike: Really man I know for a fact that I said when Jay Helfert paid me for the DVD's from the pool/billiard events I use to stream you would get paid.

Gentleman: No TVmike this was not ever brought to my attention, so this was not the agreement.

TVmike: Wow really man I'm positive that's what I told you. I needed this money to pay bills with, my rent is due in 4 days sir you just do not have any passion for human life.

Gentleman: TVmike I could give a rats azz about your financial situation. I want my money.

Tvmike: Sir I just can not express to you how I feel right now I think I want to go drive my car off of a bridge....Oh wait I forgot I don't have a car at the moment.

Gentleman: TVmike just forget about the money, do yourself a favor and get help.

TVmike: Well sir if and when Jay Helfert pays me, you will get paid.

TVmike: N E X T

So in the coming future this gentlemen will not be re-paid because TVmikes excuse will be the agreement between him and Gentleman was that when Jay pays everyone gets paid. This is what he has basically said in his last response, that Jay needs to pay the money so this guy named Gentleman can get paid back. Again TVmike this isn't how a real businessman does business. Who ever Gentleman is I wish you the best of luck getting paid.
 
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Mike -

I will send you money to help you out. It sounds like the amount is $160+$160+$30 =$350.
If you send me your paypal address I will send this amount to you. You can pay me back if and when Jay pays you.
 
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TVmike said:
Yesterday, 10:02 PM

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Mike -

I will send you money to help you out. Again I know how Jay is. Don't let him get you down. It sounds like the amount is $160+$160+$30 =$350.
If you send me your paypal address I will send this amount to you. You can pay me back if and when Jay pays you.
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One born every minute...
 
TVmike said:
Yesterday, 10:02 PM

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Mike -

I will send you money to help you out. It sounds like the amount is $160+$160+$30 =$350.
If you send me your paypal address I will send this amount to you. You can pay me back if and when Jay pays you.
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Edited to say that it is unlikely this is a real event - afraid Mike can't be believed at all.

Chris
 
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I think the guy who advanced this effing loser $350 should have his head examined.

Sorry but that's my take.

You don't reward such bad behavior. Well intentioned or not, this sends the wrong message to a person who is dishonorable and obviously, morally bankrupt.

Anyone who reads this thread should come away with a very good sense of who TVMike is.

Best,
Brian kc
 
Rocky247 said:
I would suggest that both you gentleman revise the way you do business. It doesn't take much to put down on paper what you agree to verbally. This way nothing is mis-understood no matter how well you know each other and for whatever amount of money(generally over $50-$100). Also receipts for shipping and balances due or product due or sent really helps.
Just my JMO! Business is Business!
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That all makes sense Rocky, to a point. A contract is only as good as the people who sign it. Don't ever forget that and you will save yourself a lot of grief some day. Someone who is up to no good will sign anything to get the upper hand. I wonder how many "contracts" Bernie Madoff signed?

On the other hand, a handshake is all that's needed between honorable people. Many million dollar deals have been sealed with merely a handshake, that was honored later on by both parties. Elvis Presley shook his hand on a 50-50 deal with Colonel Tom Parker on all his earnings, and he honored it for life. It may have been the worst deal any famous artist ever had.

Very doubtful that a written agreement would have helped me in this spot. In fact I'm certain of it. But thanks anyway.
 
TVmike said:
I just recieved the $350 payment from the gentleman who is advancing me payment so I can get about my business and pay my bills. Once you pay me Jay I will send the money back to him.
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Mike, I'm starting to hear from some of your "homies" around Detroit. Seems that your rep in your own hometown is badly tarnished as well. Wonder how that happened. Maybe it's more mis-communication from people who just don't understand you.
 
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