World Record: 526 balls

So the high run in the Archer match with the table being autographed doesn't count?

Guess that one doesn't count in your book as it was in a state with too many vowels or something.

The 3 that ran the 9 racks are luat, medina, immonen, believe it. Why would I lie? I told you, that this one would be hard to handle.

Earl never ran 11 racks or got a mil, he ran a couple, most were short racks, combos in early a few 9's on the break, and it was probably a set up con, which was not totally filmed, and the company that put up the money, knew they were being hustled by Cj and earl, who probably cut it up betweeen them, paid earl off with something like 150K I heard, just to stay out of court. Earl took the money and ran, or at least, that was the story I heard, so its 2nd hand, and I wont vouch for it being true. It appears that one, was about as phony as the first challenge of champions, when sigel got every one to bet on the 20 to 1 Lebron, then the entire field bet on him and went into the tank.

In the world of pool and gamblers and hustlers there are always two stories, the one for the press, and the real story, you usually get from me.
 
Don't be a Stooge......

The 3 that ran the 9 racks are luat, medina, immonen, believe it. Why would I lie? I told you, that this one would be hard to handle.

Earl never ran 11 racks or got a mil, he ran a couple, most were short racks, combos in early a few 9's on the break, and it was probably a set up con, which was not totally filmed, and the company that put up the money, knew they were being hustled by Cj and earl, who probably cut it up betweeen them, paid earl off with something like 150K I heard, just to stay out of court. Earl took the money and ran, or at least, that was the story I heard, so its 2nd hand, and I wont vouch for it being true.

You heard wrong.
 
The 3 that ran the 9 racks are luat, medina, immonen, believe it. Why would I lie? I told you, that this one would be hard to handle.

Earl never ran 11 racks or got a mil, he ran a couple, most were short racks, combos in early a few 9's on the break, and it was probably a set up con, which was not totally filmed, and the company that put up the money, knew they were being hustled by Cj and earl, who probably cut it up betweeen them, paid earl off with something like 150K I heard, just to stay out of court. Earl took the money and ran, or at least, that was the story I heard, so its 2nd hand, and I wont vouch for it being true. It appears that one, was about as phony as the first challenge of champions, when sigel got every one to bet on the 20 to 1 Lebron, then the entire field bet on him and went into the tank.

In the world of pool and gamblers and hustlers there are always two stories, the one for the press, and the real story, you usually get from me.

Slow down Curly. You're losing credibility fast. There are people on here who were there when Earl ran ELEVEN racks! I'm one of them, the tournament director no less. There must have been fifty people watching this match from start to finish and they all signed a letter attesting Earl's feat afterward. Probably the main reason he finally got a settlement from the insurance company. How could they fade all those people coming into court and testifying that they saw the whole thing.

First of all, it was not a con concocted by CJ and Earl! CJ may have been more surprised than anyone. He wanted the Million Dollar Challenge to last for a long time, years even. None of us ever expected anyone to run ten racks, especially on the tough tables at CJ's. Earl did make two nine balls on the break in the first five games. He had the break wired on that particular table. After five games they called me in to rack the balls. He never made another nine ball on the break. He did get it going close to the hole a couple of times though. Earl flat ran out from everywhere! And in the final game he made the most ridiculous one-nine combo you (and me) ever saw! The last five racks were recorded on video and CJ has the tape, which may be coming out soon with the whole story.

As far as the Challenge of Champions is concerned, guess who the TD was on that one? Right again, good old Jay. I will have to say something was rotten in Denmark on that one. I won't deny it. Finally, I grew up in Dayton, close to High St. Billiards in Springfield where Mosconi made his run. I was in that poolroom a couple of times in the 60's and even played on the same table. It was a typical over-sized 4x8 that was popular in Midwestern poolrooms back then. Not the toughest table in the world, but not the easiest either. Those old boxes had straight cut pockets with fairly deep shelves. I'm guessing the pocket openings were just under 5". You had to hit the pockets though or the ball wasn't going in. Shooting down the rail was probably easier than most tourney tables in use today, but out on the table you had to make a clean shot.

In my opinion if you absolutely duplicated the same conditions (cloth, pockets, balls, etc.) and let the best players today start with BIH, no one would run over 500 balls for a long, long time. The balls tended to stay clustered and you had to break them out a few at a time. A hundred ball run was a tremendous feat back then. Only the very best 14.1 players of that era could make runs like that consistently. The Mosconi's, Crane's, Caras' and Cranfield's. In the major 14.1 championships of that era, there would only be a few hundred ball runs. And they were playing a Round Robin format, with many matches spread over a period of weeks.

Like someone else said, Willie used to run 100 balls every day. He was truly one of a kind, a Straight Pool freak. I've seen two players in my lifetime who approached his level of ability at 14.1. Mizerak and Sigel! That's it. And they couldn't control the cue ball quite as well as Willie, or shoot as straight either. He was pissed if he missed position by half and inch! And if he missed one ball a day, it was a bad day. Lassiter was like that playing 9-Ball. There's a good reason why Mosconi, Lassiter and Strickland are legendary players. They all did things no one else could do, under match conditions no less.
 
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Eufemia's alleged 625 could never be verified...Mosconi's 526 was. Babe Cranfield also is alleged to have run 600+, but it was never able to verified officially. Luther Lassiter ran 150 five matches in a row...that's 750 balls, and it was witnessed in Johnston City.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Brunswick for decades pushed the Mosconi HR record, because he was a paid staff player, and selling him, and his records, meant more profits for them. They helped to hide and bury the real high run of Michael Eufemia, which is 625 on a 9' table. If you dont believe me, just ask Ray Martin, he will tell you it is so. So covering up the size of the pockets, had to be them as well. I dont think Flo had anything to do with that.
 
Lassiter's feat may be the most impressive of all! That's 750 points without a miss in competition.

Just to be clear, it was 750 without a miss or safety? No opening safety play, just five outs in a row off the opening break? Hell of a lagger too, huh? :grin-square: Wowzer.

Out of curiosity, anyone know who the opponents were?
 
Eufemia's alleged 625 could never be verified...Mosconi's 526 was. Babe Cranfield also is alleged to have run 600+, but it was never able to verified officially. Luther Lassiter ran 150 five matches in a row...that's 750 balls, and it was witnessed in Johnston City.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Love ya Scott, but the JC 14.1 matches were 125 points. Lassiter did consistently make 90+ runs match after match. He was by far the best Straight Pool player there. And Crane came to many of them also. So did Balsis. I personally watched Lassiter post 90+ runs in about five or six matches in a row. He blew everyone out quick. Still I would pick Mosconi over Lassiter at their peaks. Willie intimidated everyone!
 
Didnt happen

Love ya Scott, but the JC 14.1 matches were 125 points. Lassiter did consistently make 90+ runs match after match. He was by far the best Straight Pool player there. And Crane came to many of them also. So did Balsis. I personally watched Lassiter post 90+ runs in about five or six matches in a row. He blew everyone out quick. Still I would pick Mosconi over Lassiter at their peaks. Willie intimidated everyone!

I was a Johnston City every year but the first. I dont recall Wimpy ever running the whole game out from the break, let alone doing it 5 times in a row. Plus the matches of 14.1 were usually only 125 pts. I know that they changed it to 150 points for at least one year because Balsis ran 150 and out on Crane down there. Remember Crane had run 150 and out on Balsis at the US Open in Chicago. This was their next meeting which prompted Jersey Red to say, "No point in them two playing anymore, they should just lag for the break."

Willie Mosconi was the greatest I ever saw. Willie gave three exhibitions at my neighborhood pool room, The Dragon Cue, in Chicago's Chinatown. Mosconi played three 200-point games in a three-day period. Willie ran 200 and out the first game he played. He played the owner's daughter, Helen Wing. When Mosconi reached 200 points, he stopped shooting and gave a trick-shot exhibition. The next day Mosconi ran 200 and out again, and again stopped shooting at 200. He had played the owner, Jimmy Wing. The third day, I was his opponent. I gave him a modicum of trouble. The score was 40 to 39 when Mosconi ran 160 and out on me. Then more trick shots— which he never missed. The games were played on 4 1/2' x 9' Brunswick Anniversary Tables with 5" pockets.


Beard
 
Jc 1966

I was a Johnston City every year but the first. I dont recall Wimpy ever running the whole game out from the break, let alone doing it 5 times in a row. Plus the matches of 14.1 were usually only 125 pts. I know that they changed it to 150 points for at least one year because Balsis ran 150 and out on Crane down there. Remember Crane had run 150 and out on Balsis at the US Open in Chicago. This was their next meeting which prompted Jersey Red to say, "No point in them two playing anymore, they should just lag for the break."

Beard

That was in 1966.
Balsis ran 150 from the break. And Crane was complaining that the tables were too easy.
They may have been. There were many long runs. In the Eddie Kelly-Nick Vacchiano match, one of them ran 100 and the other ran 99.
Crane's next match was against Ed Kelly, and I bet on Kelly because Crane was still fuming.
Well, Kelly broke and Crane ran 150!!
It was a good year for Balsis, who won the all around title.
45 years ago? Good Grief!


Ed
 
Willie was the greatest 14.1 player of all time, for well over a decade, he was virtually unbeatable. I would rank Greenleaf 2nd, his record, is almost the same and as good as Willies. Both dominated their era's, that is what you focus on.
 
Slow down Curly. You're losing credibility fast. There are people on here who were there when Earl ran ELEVEN racks! I'm one of them, the tournament director no less. There must have been fifty people watching this match from start to finish and they all signed a letter attesting Earl's feat afterward. Probably the main reason he finally got a settlement from the insurance company. How could they fade all those people coming into court and testifying that they saw the whole thing.

First of all, it was not a con concocted by CJ and Earl! CJ may have been more surprised than anyone. He wanted the Million Dollar Challenge to last for a long time, years even. None of us ever expected anyone to run ten racks, especially on the tough tables at CJ's. Earl did make two nine balls on the break in the first five games. He had the break wired on that particular table. After five games they called me in to rack the balls. He never made another nine ball on the break. He did get it going close to the hole a couple of times though. Earl flat ran out from everywhere! And in the final game he made the most ridiculous one-nine combo you (and me) ever saw! The last five racks were recorded on video and CJ has the tape, which may be coming out soon with the whole story.

As far as the Challenge of Champions is concerned, guess who the TD was on that one? Right again, good old Jay. I will have to say something was rotten in Denmark on that one. I won't deny it. Finally, I grew up in Dayton, close to High St. Billiards in Springfield where Mosconi made his run. I was in that poolroom a couple of times in the 60's and even played on the same table. It was a typical over-sized 4x8 that was popular in Midwestern poolrooms back then. Not the toughest table in the world, but not the easiest either. Those old boxes had straight cut pockets with fairly deep shelves. I'm guessing the pocket openings were just under 5". You had to hit the pockets though or the ball wasn't going in. Shooting down the rail was probably easier than most tourney tables in use today, but out on the table you had to make a clean shot.

In my opinion if you absolutely duplicated the same conditions (cloth, pockets, balls, etc.) and let the best players today start with BIH, no one would run over 500 balls for a long, long time. The balls tended to stay clustered and you had to break them out a few at a time. A hundred ball run was a tremendous feat back then. Only the very best 14.1 players of that era could make runs like that consistently. The Mosconi's, Crane's, Caras' and Cranfield's. In the major 14.1 championships of that era, there would only be a few hundred ball runs. And they were playing a Round Robin format, with many matches spread over a period of weeks.

Like someone else said, Willie used to run 100 balls every day. He was truly one of a kind, a Straight Pool freak. I've seen two players in my lifetime who approached his level of ability at 14.1. Mizerak and Sigel! That's it. And they couldn't control the cue ball quite as well as Willie, or shoot as straight either. He was pissed if he missed position by half and inch! And if he missed one ball a day, it was a bad day. Lassiter was like that playing 9-Ball. There's a good reason why Mosconi, Lassiter and Strickland are legendary players. They all did things no one else could do, under match conditions no less.

well TD or not, consider the possibility that you just might not be privy to the whole truth

some facts here have always seemed fishy to me...

-Earl was seen "examining" the table hours before the match
-he hits 2/5 nines during rack your own yet 0-6 after
-10 racks in a row was and still is a near impossibility, the unlikely odds are what allowed CJ to get the policy in the first place
-the near mythical feat happened on the first event, I can't remember a time before that in a pro tourney and maybe once or twice since

having said that, I'm sure the odds were calculated without adjusting for players going for racks and avoiding safeties which completely changes the numbers, and if anyone on the planet could do this it would have been Earl
 
You had the same TD, on the two biggest cons in the game, what does that tell you about the TD? Where does his creditability go? Was not he also the TD out in Arizona where he was supposed to protect the field and guarantee the money and every body there got stiffed. Everytime all he says, is, its all their fault, I did nothing wrong. Man I hear that line on cops on the TV. I have to ask, what kind of TD is this? He is supposed to insure, everything is fair and legit.

Of course those involved are going to justify it as being as clean as new fallen snow.
You cant run a con, with out the TD getting a piece of the action, just like the ref gets paid off in a fight when the fix is in. Or the Jockeys on a horse race.

If the 10 racks were not filmed, I would not have paid off a dime, and they were not, right there, it stinks. And if it was legit, they would have gone to court and won the million, instead they grabbed the 10 cents on the dollar and ran. That again, I think, says it all, and sums it up.

Earl did not run 10 racks, again, a short combo off the one, or a 9 on the break, is not a run rack. And because I tell the real story, I am now losing my creditability. I love that line.
 
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well TD or not, consider the possibility that you just might not be privy to the whole truth

some facts here have always seemed fishy to me...

-Earl was seen "examining" the table hours before the match
-he hits 2/5 nines during rack your own yet 0-6 after
-10 racks in a row was and still is a near impossibility, the unlikely odds are what allowed CJ to get the policy in the first place
-the near mythical feat happened on the first event, I can't remember a time before that in a pro tourney and maybe once or twice since

having said that, I'm sure the odds were calculated without adjusting for players going for racks and avoiding safeties which completely changes the numbers, and if anyone on the planet could do this it would have been Earl

Something that happens several times in a lifetime is not a "near impossibility". If it happened once in say a 100+ years then you could say it's maybe a near impossibility or highly unlikely. But 10+ racks in a row has happened quite a bit, here a just a few I can think of off the top of my head:

Earl's 11 racks
Lassiter's 16 racks
Archer's 13 racks (+2 in the next set so really 15 racks in a row)
Neils Feijien's 15 racks
Scotty Townsend 10+ racks (not sure of the exact number)

And I have seen amateur players who are well under world class speed run 6-7-8 packs before so 10 is certainly not in the realm of "near impossible".

I'm sure McCready, Reyes, Bustamante etc have run 10 consecutive racks in practice before. In fact Reyes ran an 8 pack AND a 9 pack in same tournament! It was in the World 9 ball Championships no less.
 
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You had the same TD, on the two biggest cons in the game, what does that tell you about the TD? Where does his creditability go? Was not he also the TD out in Arizona where he was supposed to protect the field and guarantee the money and every body there got stiffed. Everytime all he says, is, its all their fault, I did nothing wrong. Man I hear that line on cops on the TV. I have to ask, what kind of TD is this? He is supposed to insure, everything is fair and legit.

Of course those involved are going to justify it as being as clean as new fallen snow.
You cant run a con, with out the TD getting a piece of the action, just like the ref gets paid off in a fight when the fix is in. Or the Jockeys on a horse race.

If the 10 racks were not filmed, I would not have paid off a dime, and they were not, right there, it stinks. And if it was legit, they would have gone to court and won the million, instead they grabbed the 10 cents on the dollar and ran. That again, I think, says it all, and sums it up.

Earl did not run 10 racks, again, a short combo off the one, or a 9 on the break, is not a run rack. And because I tell the real story, I am now losing my creditability. I love that line.

You're right Curly. You caught me! I just wish I had been smart enough to bet on Lebron and Earl's ten racks. And you're right again about the tournament in Phoenix. As TD I'm supposed to hold all the money, not the UPA who sanctioned the event :cool:. Excuse me while I barf! Unfortunately I got stiffed too. But through my efforts we (the players and me) have been paid about 85% of the money due us. Get your facts straight before you go making accusations.

Buddy, I'm hired to do a job. that's all. And I do it to the best of my ability. Let me tell you something Mr. Big Mouth, any tournament I ever produced all the money got paid, every last dime. I think you are telling on yourself here. Only a cheater would say things like this because that's how your mind works. What have you done in the pool world besides run your mouth about things you know literally nothing about?
 
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Something that happens several times in a lifetime is not a "near impossibility". If it happened once in say a 100+ years then you could say it's maybe a near impossibility or highly unlikely. But 10+ racks in a row has happened quite a bit, here a just a few I can think of off the top of my head:

Earl's 11 racks
Lassiter's 16 racks
Archer's 13 racks (+2 in the next set so really 15 racks in a row)
Neils Feijien's 15 racks
Scotty Townsend 10+ racks (not sure of the exact number)

And I have seen amateur players who are well under world class speed run 6-7-8 packs before so 10 is certainly not in the realm of "near impossible".

I'm sure McCready, Reyes, Bustamante etc have run 10 consecutive racks in practice before. In fact Reyes ran an 8 pack AND a 9 pack in same tournament! It was in the World 9 ball Championships no less.

lol, math much?
 
Excuse me, where did I ask you, to grant me creditability/

Do I seek it from you, or any one here, no. Do I care, if I get it from you guys or not, no.

This is not the usa senate, where the longer you sit, the more they take you serious and the older you get, the more senile you become.

You can be here, post 10,000 times, and only prove, 10,000 times your an idiot and remove all doubt of that.

Why do I have to apprentice here kissing your arses for a year, before any one takes me serious I now ask you laddie?

You should only be concerned with my words, my message, and not my seniority here. I wont be around much longer, from what I have seen, all this place does, is shut off any new thought and erases it, like they did with Ray Martin. They cant handle, any thing new and fresh. All you want, is somebody telling you, they agree with what you think. If they do that, you love them. If they dont, then you are a bloody arse hole.
 
You had the same TD, on the two biggest cons in the game, what does that tell you about the TD? Where does his creditability go? Was not he also the TD out in Arizona where he was supposed to protect the field and guarantee the money and every body there got stiffed. Everytime all he says, is, its all their fault, I did nothing wrong. Man I hear that line on cops on the TV. I have to ask, what kind of TD is this? He is supposed to insure, everything is fair and legit.

Of course those involved are going to justify it as being as clean as new fallen snow.
You cant run a con, with out the TD getting a piece of the action, just like the ref gets paid off in a fight when the fix is in. Or the Jockeys on a horse race.

If the 10 racks were not filmed, I would not have paid off a dime, and they were not, right there, it stinks. And if it was legit, they would have gone to court and won the million, instead they grabbed the 10 cents on the dollar and ran. That again, I think, says it all, and sums it up.

Earl did not run 10 racks, again, a short combo off the one, or a 9 on the break, is not a run rack. And because I tell the real story, I am now losing my creditability. I love that line.

I don't like doing things behind another's back, so let me just say - I just red-repped you for this, and I also sent a message to AZB asking that you be banned for this kind of libel against the TD.
 
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