How feel comes about

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duckie

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I was replacing the spark plugs in my 4.6 gt stang. The heads are aluminum and the plugs are deep in the heads.

I went to put a new plug using a socket and extension and just could not get the feel if I was cross threading the plug or not. So, I used the ole rubber hose on the the end of the spark plug and sure enough, I could tell if the plug started correctly.

The feel in this case came from years of wrenching and quite a few cross threads stuff throughout the years.

At first, I did not have this feel because I never turned a wrench let alone cross threaded anything. Didn't take be long to get the feel of cross threading. Experiences taught me what felt right when turning wrenches.

I did read the manuals and got advice from people on how to do things but nothing on how if felt cross threading something or when something is going together right.

Same idea with learning pool. You do it long enough, you well get the feel of shot making, or what works and doesn't.
 
duckie said:
I was replacing the spark plugs in my 4.6 gt stang. The heads are aluminum and the plugs are deep in the heads.

I went to put a new plug using a socket and extension and just could not get the feel if I was cross threading the plug or not. So, I used the ole rubber hose on the the end of the spark plug and sure enough, I could tell if the plug started correctly.

The feel in this case came from years of wrenching and quite a few cross threads stuff throughout the years.

At first, I did not have this feel because I never turned a wrench let alone cross threaded anything. Didn't take be long to get the feel of cross threading. Experiences taught me what felt right when turning wrenches.

I did read the manuals and got advice from people on how to do things but nothing on how if felt cross threading something or when something is going together right.

Same idea with learning pool. You do it long enough, you well get the feel of shot making, or what works and doesn't.
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I FEEL this is a very good post.
So much of pool is like learning the nuances of language.

..but starting with a good teacher really helps.

regards
pt..<.. loved your spinning tires/transferred english analogy
 
By making sure your looking at the obj. ball last........muscle memory gets booted more quickly.
 
It's very true. The more you do it the more things start to click. Learning from better players and instructors helps a great deal and learning things like kicking systems, aiming systems, basic knowledge of tangent line. From there you can get a feel of how to move around the table.
 
So basically we can say the same for sex? Do it enough and you get the feel for for it?

The BAMG method of becoming a good lover?

The "old hose on the end of a plug trick" ? Where did you learn this old "trick" for feeling cross-threading? Did someone teach it to you? Is it in a book or just passed on from shadetree mechanic to shadetree mechanic by example? Come here young Duckie let me show you a trick.....

Of course "feel" is developed through practice. Is this something that we have to even discuss?

Knowledge however is developed through example, be it from books, instruction or observation.

So actually what you are saying is even though you have all these years of screwing you still couldn't get the feel of it without resorting to a little secret trick you learned from someone else at some point? And using this technique you were successful at avoiding the wrong result.

That's how I read it.
 
Well said............

JB Cases said:
So basically we can say the same for sex? Do it enough and you get the feel for for it?

The BAMG method of becoming a good lover?

The "old hose on the end of a plug trick" ? Where did you learn this old "trick" for feeling cross-threading? Did someone teach it to you? Is it in a book or just passed on from shadetree mechanic to shadetree mechanic by example? Come here young Duckie let me show you a trick.....

Of course "feel" is developed through practice. Is this something that we have to even discuss?

Knowledge however is developed through example, be it from books, instruction or observation.

So actually what you are saying is even though you have all these years of screwing you still couldn't get the feel of it without resorting to a little secret trick you learned from someone else at some point? And using this technique you were successful at avoiding the wrong result.

That's how I read it.
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Once a person learns what they can learn from teachers that know there is no stopping them.

they just want to know for sure if who they are seeking out can really help them.

Great answer here.
 
Tristan...Exactly my point. For the miniscule group of poolplayers who can "get it" in a year or so of HAMB, there are thousands of others who it might take 10-20 years, or more. Getting a solid foothold, by acquiring a good knowledge base to work from, absolutely shortens the learning curve...and from there "feel" will come more easily to many.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Tristan said:
That will differ from person to person, Scott.
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"The second-hand artist blindly following his sensi or sifu accepts his patterns. As a result, his action and, more importantly, his thinking mechanical. His responses become automatic, according to set patterns, making him narrow and limited."

Bruce Lee, from the Tao of Jeet Kune Do.

Are you a second hand cuetist?
 
duckie said:
"The second-hand artist blindly following his sensi or sifu accepts his patterns. As a result, his action and, more importantly, his thinking mechanical. His responses become automatic, according to set patterns, making him narrow and limited."

Bruce Lee, from the Tao of Jeet Kune Do.

Are you a second hand cuetist?
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Very true. But one learns first from the sensei to have a valid base to build from.
 
The sense of feel happens when thru practice the results that take place on the table thru your stroke and speed start to exactly match the mental imaging of the shot that you formed in your head. This is the main reason that hitting balls is so important.

You can watch tapes and read books with illustrations to help develop an inventory of mental images but you HAVE to actually execute the shot yourself to attach muscle memory and touch to what your brain imagines occurring in the shot.

This one aspect of learning the game is what makes Ray Martin's The 99 Critical Shots in Pool possibly the best book you can give to a beginning player... They feed the brain an image of a shot and then they work on the reality of matching results to the images programmed.......

Pick a shot and work on it until you develop the feel for it... Congratulations you now own it and you can move on to a new shot... When you have enough of shots in your bag you will be able to play with fluidity and rhythm as long as you play position to shots you own... You will be able to play by feel....

When you miss a shot make note of it.... Work on it until you own it again...

How long does it take? The bag you put the shots you own in is bottomless...

Decide what shots you use the most and keep those on top.... Make sure to work on them to keep them there.....

You can spend your whole life adding new shots.. The problem is that you can only reach down so deep into the bag without having to rummage around some....

Another problem is that somewhere in the bag exists a hole and if you don't pay attention or pull a shot out every once in awhile to work on it it may not be in the bag when you need it....
 
The Renfro said:
You can spend your whole life adding new shots.. The problem is that you can only reach down so deep into the bag without having to rummage around some....
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I disagree. The human brain has as many synapses as all the computer connections that currently exist. There is no medical reason that your arsenal of shots you own is not all instantly available to you without any rummaging.

I know a shot that I learned from watching Efren play. It's a shot that very few know or play. When I first saw Efren do it I had to rewind the video several times to be sure of what I was looking at. I took it to the table and figured it out. Now I own it and use it whenever it's needed. Because I know it I have played variations of it on-the-fly in game situations.

This is the value of focused practiced and building on principles. The principle behind Efren's shot was always there. But it wasn't until I learned how to aim that I could step back and really start to see what happens on the next level. Thus I own Efren's shot and all variations of it available to me at any time instantly.
 
duckie said:
Same idea with learning pool. You do it long enough, you well get the feel of shot making, or what works and doesn't.
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Oh, and I thought you were going to talk about screwing your cue together without cross-threading it...nevermind. :smile:
 
JB Cases said:
I disagree. The human brain has as many synapses as all the computer connections that currently exist. There is no medical reason that your arsenal of shots you own is not all instantly available to you without any rummaging.

I know a shot that I learned from watching Efren play. It's a shot that very few know or play. When I first saw Efren do it I had to rewind the video several times to be sure of what I was looking at. I took it to the table and figured it out. Now I own it and use it whenever it's needed. Because I know it I have played variations of it on-the-fly in game situations.

This is the value of focused practiced and building on principles. The principle behind Efren's shot was always there. But it wasn't until I learned how to aim that I could step back and really start to see what happens on the next level. Thus I own Efren's shot and all variations of it available to me at any time instantly.
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I know how to jump. It doesn't come up regularly in a game, but I am proficient at this shot enough to be able to consistently utilize it. Sound like the shot you mastered is equivalent to this and falls into this category.

However, there are a lot of shots that I have/had mastered over the years that are available but due to the lack of use, I do not think that I could efficiently perform the shot accurately unless I practice it occasionally.

I think this is what The Renfro was referring to.

Your shot evidently resides in the top of the bag. :smile:
 
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How do the pros see the tangent line ?
The cueball track ?
THe line of approach ?
Why do they say they hit it fat or two thin after missing ?
:grin:
 
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