No races in 14.1

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FranCrimi

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I think it would be great if we could all work together to preserve the history and tradition of 14.1 and not refer to the matches as races. Ray Martin, Willie Mosconi, Steve Mizerak, and all the greats never played a race in 14.1.

They did, however, play a:

200 point game

or a

200 point match

Either term was acceptable back in the day. How about it?
 
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But if we do that how are we going to tell who really knows straight pool from those with uninformed opinions? :grin:;):thumbup:
 
FranCrimi said:
I think it would be great if we could all work together to preserve the history and tradition of 14.1 and not refer to the matches as races. Ray Martin, Willie Mosconi, Steve Mizerak, and all the greats never played a race in 14.1.

They did, however, play a:

200 point game

or a

200 point match

Either term was acceptable back in the day. How about it?
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I've *****ed about this for some time now, and got the razz for it. It's what 9 ball has done to pool culture. Most people just don't care.
 
cleary said:
Isn't the fact that a people still play the game good enough?
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Sure, I think it means a lot that people still play the game. I don't think there's anything wrong with asking them to take a little extra time to learn the proper terminology affilliated with the game.
 
Straight pool

Fran is right.

Using the right terms helps portray this great game is a more proper light.

I totally agree - for whatever that is worth.

Mark Griffin
 
FranCrimi said:
I think it would be great if we could all work together to preserve the history and tradition of 14.1 and not refer to the matches as races. Ray Martin, Willie Mosconi, Steve Mizerak, and all the greats never played a race in 14.1.

They did, however, play a:

200 point game

or a

200 point match

Either term was acceptable back in the day. How about it?
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I never knew that was the terminology, but I do now. Thanks for the clarification. :smile:

At least I will be able to sound like I know what I'm talking about, right? :angel:
 
No one in our circle of straight pool players call them sets. The said mentioned group has grown and grown over the last 5 years.

It's not as big a draw for the younger players mostly because there aren't a lot of players playing for cash. Maybe $20 to 100 points. Maybe the cost of lunch which is just slightly more.

Then they hate sitting in the chair and the don't like the safeties? However once the see the pureness of the game they slowly want in. Besides I think it's the door way to every other game.

Just my read on the subject.
 
FranCrimi said:
I think it would be great if we could all work together to preserve the history and tradition of 14.1 and not refer to the matches as races. Ray Martin, Willie Mosconi, Steve Mizerak, and all the greats never played a race in 14.1.

They did, however, play a:

200 point game

or a

200 point match

Either term was acceptable back in the day. How about it?
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It's not easy to inflict values on the younger generation, whether they be relative to terminology, dress, noise (aka music with swearing) self respect, or anything else .... Your thought is a good one, but, a long shot never the less.
 
Similar Point/Rotation Games

I too Fran have felt that when watching ANY match play of rotation play that....announcers & breakers should ALWAYS say the breakers score first for who ever is at the table at that particular moment during the match. It communicates to the players & audience.... and makes it CRYSTAL CLEAR what the score is at that moment....and if any discrepancy, it will be dealt with immediately.... BEFORE the rack is broken.
Ping Pong has used this tactic since I started playing back in the fifties, and it allows great communication between the two players and avoids conflict. I've used it many times over the years, especially with a player that likes to argue or question the beads on the wire.
Also, when your moving the coin under the rail, to always say, while looking your opponent in the Eye, ''comin' up one'', there fore NO conflict can arise as your communication of the score is being confirmed.
 
Island Drive said:
I too Fran have felt that when watching ANY match play of rotation play that....announcers & breakers should ALWAYS say the breakers score first for who ever is at the table at that particular moment during the match. It communicates to the players & audience.... and makes it CRYSTAL CLEAR what the score is at that moment....and if any discrepancy, it will be dealt with immediately.... BEFORE the rack is broken.
Ping Pong has used this tactic since I started playing back in the fifties, and it allows great communication between the two players and avoids conflict. I've used it many times over the years, especially with a player that likes to argue or question the beads on the wire.
Also, when your moving the coin under the rail, to always say, while looking your opponent in the Eye, ''comin' up one'', there fore NO conflict can arise as your communication of the score is being confirmed.
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Bill, I basically agree that the score should be checked prior to the break shot but there are ways to do that without forcing either of the players to speak and possibly break their concentration.

Since the breaker would have been the last one to put up his score, the racker then would be the one to check it and push over the beads or zero out the counters and add the rack score to the total score. If he wants, the breaker than can take last look at the score before continuing to shoot. All this can be done without a word spoken.

In the case of a formal 14.1 tournament, a referee or score-keeper should announce the score after every rack for the benefit of both the players and the spectators.
 
3andstop said:
It's not easy to inflict values on the younger generation, whether they be relative to terminology, dress, noise (aka music with swearing) self respect, or anything else .... Your thought is a good one, but, a long shot never the less.
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You're right, of course. But I try not to think of it in terms of trying to change opinions of masses of people. If I can affect one or a couple in a positive way, then I've done a good thing for the game, and maybe others can do the same --- and who knows, maybe it will catch on.
 
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