teachers learn too...Maybe there is stuff in his second DVD he had not yet learned himself?
Stan The Man Shuffett
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Yes, I wrote that and stand by it. The DVD was a joke.
Get back to me when an honest review of a DVD becomes a personal attack
Lou Figueroa
3300 posts and that's the best
you can do, lol?!
This week at our house we have been celebrating Stan's (and Phil's) success at the Open. I look at this forum maybe 3 times a year but decided to check off and on this week for obvious reasons. I can usually predict what I'm going to read here: some very nice words of praise or some pretty nasty comments (hater-talk to be specific). This leads me to the conclusion that a select few just can't stand it when someone does something well, a few of you need some serious lessons in manners, and some of you act very much like the 7 year-olds I teach.
I helped Stan with the pre-production of the DVD which took us about 2 years after Stan studied the game, fundamentals, and aiming for MANY years. I can tell you I witnessed his putting this information together in a very structured way so that anyone could learn this system. Maybe it comes from his years of teaching elementary school paired with his love of pool for the past 50 years that drives him to be the best he can be. He wants share his knowledge and enlighten those who seek information as well. Why are you so against that? Lou, I can guarantee that if you found someone who met your standards of giving an "unbiased opinion" and gave a favorable opinion of Stan's DVD, you'd throw them out and look for another someone. And it would continue until you found an opinion to agree with your idea that the DVD is a joke.
We're pushing the 1000 mark on DVD sales. I know this because I've packed and mailed about all of the darn things myself. I've also listened to Stan in phone conversations with satisfied customers and read personal emails and letters that people actually take the time to write and mail complimenting Stan on a job well done and on what a super product he has. So there are quite a few students of the game who share the opinion that he has a very useful product.
By the way, I sincerely thank all those who have posted the nice comments and kind words of congratulations.
-Connie
After a while, the word "hater" becomes so predictable in an odd way it's almost funny.
And Stan finished high in one of the World's most prestigious events, using CTE/Pro One, not some ghost ball or contact aiming system.
Yes, I wrote that and stand by it. The DVD was a joke.
Get back to me when an honest review of a DVD becomes a personal attack
Lou Figueroa
3300 posts and that's the best
you can do, lol?!
When you say Stan is intentionally dooming students - it's a personal attack. You're the epitome of a scumbag. Add classless to the list as well.
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Lou,sir
Stan is an amazing teacher and delightful human being who has devoted his life to improving the game of pool and to my knowledge has never had a bad thing to say about anyone.
And now you can add to that: he put his rep on the line, and played some strong pool in the toughest tournament in the USA. Where were you, Lou sir?
Stan is an amazing teacher and delightful human being who has devoted his life to improving the game of pool and to my knowledge has never had a bad thing to say about anyone.
And now you can add to that: he put his rep on the line, and played some strong pool in the toughest tournament in the USA. Where were you, Lou sir?
One thing is for sure, Stan is playing great. I talked to Donny shortly after that match, with a STUNNED look on his face. He said that table was perfect... he would play anyone on that table. The lighting, speed, etc was perfect for him and for Donny, that's saying A LOT! But Stan just flat out played.
And honestly, I use the systems and know well they work and I know its a big "WIN" for the believers, but lets be real... STAN played great. Too many people are focusing too much on putting the ball in the hole but thats the easy part. He had to beat people to the shots and there is no system for that. Congrats on a great performance Stan.
And honestly, I use the systems and know well they work and I know its a big "WIN" for the believers, but lets be real... STAN played great. Too many people are focusing too much on putting the ball in the hole but thats the easy part. He had to beat people to the shots and there is no system for that. Congrats on a great performance Stan.
Connie...We were celebrating Stan and Phil's success in the convention center too. I had several conversations with both of them, and sweated several of their later matches (I only arrived on Thurs), and was amazed at how well they were doing in a field of complete sharks...there were dozens of champions who often seem not to miss at all. All through it, Stan and Phil just stayed the course, playing their own games. I spoke to Stan just after he had been knocked into the loser's bracket by Alex. He spoke highly of Alex's play, but was more celebrated on his own play in that match (we can play our very best and sometimes still not win). It's obvious in his pleasure at not only how well the dvd is doing...but more importantly, how it is helping him to play some of the best pool of his life! You could just feel the joy in both Stan and Phil (although Phil is so humble and reserved that he hardly shows any emotion...he just RUNS OUT! LOL) as they made their way successfully through the tournament. Congratulations to both of them in truly great results, and best regards to your family! Home is where the heart is...and Stan has some of the most heart of anyone I know!
Scott Lee
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Scott Lee
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I'll tell you where Louie was. Right where he has been for a long time now. He is getting ready for the US Open Pool Talking Championship. And I think he has a good chance of placing in the top ten. You see, Louie can really shoot------------------really shoot some BS.
But even as highly regarded as Louie is to Louie he knows he can't shoot POOL with the big boys even with his famous "no aiming system" which, by the way, is coming out on his new DVD, "Using My No Aiming System To Shoot BS With the Best of the Best But Not For Use in Actually Shooting Pool".
Please purchase Louie's DVD as he really wants and needs attention. Right now he is extremely sad and depressed with how good Stan and Phil did using the CTE/PRO ONE aiming system. That's the one that others can understand and use but is way over Louie's ability to comprehend.
Let's all send happy thoughts to Louie.
What about all the other top players that use different systems or no system at all? Appleton uses the SEE system and he won the tournament. So...
SEE > CTE
Stan if you happen to read this, at the risk of sounding anything but how it is intended. I am very proud of you. There are few people who would knowingly take the risk of public scrutiny when promoting their product on a world stage. You have done just that. Putting your Pro ONE advertisement in the arena for all to see, playing in a tournament that would most certainly bring your critics to smug happiness at your demise. You showed true courage, grit, and determination. And also to mention the great play !! Showing that you walk the talk. Congratulations on your success !!!
Thank you also for sharing your passion for pool with your Pro One . It does make me rack a lot less.
Thank you also for sharing your passion for pool with your Pro One . It does make me rack a lot less.
Yes, many people thought it wasn't hard to follow -- but many, even after repeated viewings, found it incomprehensible and were frustrated. It wouldn't surprise me if a new and more complete DVD came out one day, just, you know, to fill in some of the blanks that the first failed to address.
Lou Figueroa
I don't attribute that to the quality of the DVD or how the information was presented. I do attribute it to the learning style of the student. Some need more direct instruction than what a DVD offers.
You said it yourself, some thought it was not hard to follow, others did have difficulty.
Same as teaching in a classroom, which I have done for years. You have to be prepared to modify your lesson based upon the learners characteristics. You cannot do that on single DVD presentation.
The best thing Stan could do, is respond to questions via phone or email. Something that I believe he has done.
Lou have you tried to contact him with your questions?
Oh by the way... congrats to Stan for a great showing. I know all to well how hard it is to compete and hold down a full time job in education. It is not a 9-5 job.
You said it yourself, some thought it was not hard to follow, others did have difficulty.
Same as teaching in a classroom, which I have done for years. You have to be prepared to modify your lesson based upon the learners characteristics. You cannot do that on single DVD presentation.
The best thing Stan could do, is respond to questions via phone or email. Something that I believe he has done.
Lou have you tried to contact him with your questions?
Oh by the way... congrats to Stan for a great showing. I know all to well how hard it is to compete and hold down a full time job in education. It is not a 9-5 job.
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What about them? When they put out some DVDs then we can discuss them. I can tell you with 100% certainty that many players in the top 25 use aiming methods that are not ghost ball/contact point and not just HAMB trained feel. Maybe someday they will reveal their methods in books or videos. Until then it's their choice to be silent on the particular methods they use.
So all we have to go on are the players who DO admit publicly that they use aiming "systems". Of those the two who are most interesting at this event are elementary school teacher and pool instructor Stan Shuffett and back-to-back US Open Champion Darren Appleton. I'd also say that 20 year old Phil Burford is also a pretty good example as he made a nice splash in first US Open as well by knocking off many tough opponents after having given credit to Stan and Stan's ProOne system for helping him to improve.
The method Darren uses MIGHT be better than the method Stan teaches. However it can't hurt to know both of them. I own information on both of them and both of them are worlds better than Ghost Ball and contact points.
In any event Stan "the Man" Shuffett talked the talk and walked the walk. With that we celebrate his great run knowing that most of us wouldn't have had the balls to put up our cash and jump in the fray. Especially when a poor showing would have probably been a negative for our business.
When your business is selling instruction and that instruction happens to be a controversial aiming system then it takes major league balls of steel to enter the US Open knowing that your performance will get extra scrutiny.
That still does not mean that Stan deliberately made it incomprehensible as you stated.
Nor does it mean that Stan doomed the student to failure.
Nor does it mean that the information is bogus.
Why can't you simply apologize? You don't have to believe. You don't have to try to use the information. You don't have to call Stan for clarification of whatever you didn't understand.
But nothing on that DVD gave you the right to claim that the information is bogus. Nothing on the DVD gave you the right to accuse Stan of deliberate misdirection. Nothing on the DVD gave you the right to say that Stan has doomed his students to failure.
Why can't you simply admit you unfairly attacked a good person who put out his best effort to appease you? You know full well that this DVD would not exist were it not for the relentless attacks you and a few others unleashed on him and all teachers of Hal's systems. Stan said flat out that he was making the DVD in response to your and other's accusations that he is selling snake-oil.
Deep down you are a good guy Lou. I mean that sincerely. I think you honestly love the game with as much passion as any of us. And you do play damn good. You have been around and earned your street cred as well. So why continue this fight? You know Stan loves the game. You know we all love the game. Isn't this all a little silly to fight over which method of learning to play is better?
I hope that you will consider what I said and do the right thing.
Having seen both, and this is just what has worked for me, combining the two systems is the ultimate in aiming. If you don't have the discipline to be very exact in your approach, and outside of the champions, very, very few of us do, then combining the two systems creates a double check system that blends very nicely and works great.
Well, from where I sit, I think everybody, first and foremost, should start aiming with a side-armed stroke. It's a great aiming system. 
Haven't you-all ever heard of different strokes for different folks? Sheesh.
Why don't we start a thread about which cue stick has the best hit?! We can talk about that one from now to eternity!
Side-armed players aim to please!
Haven't you-all ever heard of different strokes for different folks? Sheesh.
Why don't we start a thread about which cue stick has the best hit?! We can talk about that one from now to eternity!
Side-armed players aim to please!
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Well, unlike some others on here, I don't claim to know what a person's motivation is in any particular instance. However, I will throw out a theory: Stan obviously considers himself an expert on the aiming system he developed. So he goes about putting together a DVD to share it with others and make a few bucks. But then -- guess what -- the system cannot be documented on a DVD because it really doesn't make any sense in the first place. He developed the system, believes in it, teaches it as best he can, but ultimately discovers that it basically takes a leap of faith (or two, or three, or pick a number) because there is no step-by-step way the system can truly work. But, the DVD is produced anyway and shipped out. Soooo, some think they get it, others see that there are holes and for good reason don't get it. I seem to recall that some even wanted their money back, but Stan refused.
It's the underlying problem with the whole thing. And it is probably the same reason why, after months of chest pounding by Spider that he was in the process of producing this monstrous tome that was -- once and for all -- going to explain how CTE was a scientifically valid aiming system nothing was ever produced and presented. When it got down to brass tacks, maybe he discovered that it wasn't so scientific after all? If nothing else, "Spider's Proof" of this scientific system is long over due
Anywhos, just a guess
Lou Figueroa
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