Wanted/For Sale Section to Change in New Year
- Thread starter Jerry Forsyth
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If nothing else you ever said was true (which, incidentally, I find myself agreeing with you 99% of the time)...
if the only change that went into effect was to delete the flea market ads, I could see the change being immediate and for the better.
Even a separate "Compton Swap Meet" section would be preferred.
So let me get this straight. Jack Justice or John B cant sell a brand new case on here anymore? Cant sell a brand new cue? I think that is total BS. I really think this is a terrible idea. Pretty soon people will be lying and saying the cue has been used. How will AZB police that?
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Oh there is a lot of good thoughts for changes out here in the AZ Community. I've seen a lot of members come up with some great ideas and exchange some real good thoughts about changes, both in this thread and in the previous "change is coming" thread.
What I haven't seen is the mods valuing these suggestions, discussing them or in any way acknowledging them. I just don't think this forum is about our opinion, for them. Maybe that ends up working to their advantage, maybe it doesn't.
This particular change makes zero difference to me. The only new cues I ever sell are Ginas, and I think its going to be awhile before we see any new product of of Ernie for me to sell. However, speaking as a guy that used to feel part of something, someone who cared about how this place operated and how we acted, seeing these changes and how they have been implemented has left me feeling quite disenfranchised. Oh well.
Clearly there's the way we wish it was, and the way it is. Life is like that.
Barton must be busy beating his slave labor children. I'm sure he'll have a take on this change that will at least be an interesting read.
Thanks
Kevin
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Not broken, per se. But there are certainly a slew of individuals who water it down with crap. And while this may not be the BEST solution, its a solution for now. And you're likely to see the same familiar faces finding different loopholes allowing them to still sell the same stuff.
And let's face it... while so many are quick to say "Its not fair to cuemakers selling their unsold cues", think about how many "up and coming" cuemakers we have seen build a name for themselves SOLELY through AZ (while NOT paying for ad space) and both flooding and negatively affecting the cue market.
Those who think that AZ is a community are WAY off base. Its a message board... owned by someone. And that someone can call the shots with little or no input from its members. That's just how it is. Anyone who thinks differently isn't being realistic.
i dunno, it is a pain to take a cue out of my collection to trade or sell, load it up here and see it sink into oblivion in 2 hours by dealers typing ....BUMP a bajillion times....I hate that!
Years ago it felt more like you were dealing with mostly fellow enthusiasts....now it feels more like a clearing house for suppliers.
I think for anyone who is in the billiards business, not paying for the service of this place, but is pissed at the changes is being a little hypocritical. It's been free too long IMO.
I would like to still be able to deal with the purely custom builders of stuff like cues, cases, JP's, etc.... otherwise they will take a hit IMO.
G.
Years ago it felt more like you were dealing with mostly fellow enthusiasts....now it feels more like a clearing house for suppliers.
I think for anyone who is in the billiards business, not paying for the service of this place, but is pissed at the changes is being a little hypocritical. It's been free too long IMO.
I would like to still be able to deal with the purely custom builders of stuff like cues, cases, JP's, etc.... otherwise they will take a hit IMO.
G.
This may not make a whole lot of sense to many, but I simply click on the stuff that is of interest to me.
I don't use chalk holders and the listings don't really linger in my psyche over .0001 sec.
If I wanted a new Schon, I'd buy it at my perceived value price, whether here or direct.
Get yer new t-shirts now, cause only used shirts by JCIN will be available soon.
Would Jason sitting or doing the dougie on a new one make it 'used'?
NINER
I don't use chalk holders and the listings don't really linger in my psyche over .0001 sec.
If I wanted a new Schon, I'd buy it at my perceived value price, whether here or direct.
Get yer new t-shirts now, cause only used shirts by JCIN will be available soon.
Would Jason sitting or doing the dougie on a new one make it 'used'?
NINER
Or, you could charge to post anything for sale...... I am a member of a forum, where people are charged to sell their wares.....
To make a post, they must pay a fee, usually it's between 20.00 and 40.00 for a sales post of their service or wares....
The post has to be approved first, then once approved, they are given options to pay via paypal, payspree, and another option, dont remember.
This would surely cut down on the amount of bumps.
On the other forum, they are not allowed to bump the sales thread until it falls off of page 3.
Once it does, there is a BUMP link/button that is visable to the user, who must then pay another 40.00 or so, to bump their thread to the front.
This may not work for used cue sellers, but it may work if you want to monotize the sale of new products and/or services.....
If you would like more details about how this works, get in touch with me and I will help the best I can....
Also, all the members are moderators, who all have access and know the rules. And if they see anyone breaking the rules they have the option to report the members post, or give an infraction.
Once they have reported the post in question, it goes to a moderator, who then deletes the post or thread. And issues more severe discipline if needed.
It may sound bad, but it really does work well on the other forum I am a member of................
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What the heck are you selling that you can pay $40 to list and $40 for a bump? Really hard to justify $80 to sell a $275 sneaky that cost me $225 plus paypal and shipping.
Joe
Are those babies I see, once again, swirling around the bathtub drain?
Best,
Brian kc
Best,
Brian kc
I agree Joe, That was just an example, but yes I do pay 40.00 on the other forum for post or a bump...
And it could only apply to those who want to sell NEW wares, not used....
I am an internet marketer, and belong to a forum that has at any given time anywhere from 10,000 to 100,000 hungry buyers ready to buy your product or service, so 40.00 is not much for the potential return, and the amount of people who will see your product....
This forum could not support that for sure, but it could support a small fee....I would think....
It would cut down on lots of stuff for sure, such as bumps, and other things...
I am sure I will hear a windfall of complaints for my suggestions........
But they are just suggestions....... that is all.......ideas......
Opinion
It seems we all agree on some type of sub sections! It's brought up everytime theres a rule change why are we not seeing that instead?
It seems we all agree on some type of sub sections! It's brought up everytime theres a rule change why are we not seeing that instead?
Nothing wrong with cuemakers, dealers, flippers, anyone selling cues. Just limit the number to no more than two at a time. And one bump a day by the original poster unless to state that the cue has been sold. Others should be allowed to make comments also. But only one a day per for sale thread.?????
"country" Bob
"country" Bob
These changes are short sighted and poorly conceived imho. Whether it was originally intended or not, AZ has become the 'monster arena' for all kinds of people to come together within the buy/sell/trade marketplace for nice, custom pool items likes cues and cases. Being niche items, their following and presence here generally doesn't interfere or compete with run of the mill mass-production stuff. Niche items from small niche sellers that are more than likely not able to justify spending a thousand or two on banner ads. Sad day for AZ indeed.
I fear these changes (if they stand as such) will further depress an already tenuous market and increase the proliferation of 'junk items' and scams here....which ironically were a few of the chief complaints I always kept reading about when people were discussing problems and offering suggestions.
Hopefully the powers at be on AZ will see what it is they actually have here....and perhaps offer up a better solution that 'includes' rather than 'excludes'. Seems like an opportunity lost on their part and nothing gained.
I fear these changes (if they stand as such) will further depress an already tenuous market and increase the proliferation of 'junk items' and scams here....which ironically were a few of the chief complaints I always kept reading about when people were discussing problems and offering suggestions.
Hopefully the powers at be on AZ will see what it is they actually have here....and perhaps offer up a better solution that 'includes' rather than 'excludes'. Seems like an opportunity lost on their part and nothing gained.
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I think if your selling your product and its a good one it will sell anywhere!!! Not only here but there are other sites plus you can start your own. Look at Mottey / Gilbert / other cue makers .... they did and doing well. JMO ....
I think if your selling your product and its a good one it will sell anywhere!!! Not only here but there are other sites plus you can start your own. Look at Mottey / Gilbert / other cue makers .... they did and doing well. JMO ....
Lee, I know you took the plunge on raffles......there may be some real opportunity in hosting a BUY - SELL - TRADE forum.
On a side note, I completely agree regarding banner pricing. Might be great for big biz, but not feasible for small biz......which ironically make up most all of the neat cue and case niche stuff we all love to look at so much.
Short sighted indeed.
Lee, I know you took the plunge on raffles......there may be some real opportunity in hosting a BUY - SELL - TRADE forum.
On a side note, I completely agree regarding banner pricing. Might be great for big biz, but not feasible for small biz......which ironically make up most all of the neat cue and case niche stuff we all love to look at so much.
Short sighted indeed.
Great idea... I will put up a buy-sell-trade section up immediately.
ALL will be welcome.
TheThaiger
Banned
So, if I'm reading this correctly, acedonkeyace will still be allowed to sell his gear. Phew!
Now, since were discussing change here's my take on a few things that once in place might be Moderator friendly and help clean things up but not chase away the good guys.
Break the wanted for sale section into these groups:
-Wanted
-For Trade (must be pool related for pool related)
-For Sale (one item per thread)
-EBay
Since there's so much talk here about eBay why not take some of their practices into consideration? Such as:
-All items are automatically deleted (by computer not Mod) after 7 days.
-Items listed in order of original list date (No Bumping, commenting, etc.)
-Charge 5.00 paid via paypal to list an item in the for sale/eBay sections. This will help with people over pricing items (because if it doesn't sell they will have to pay another 5.00 after the initial 7 days are up) and will also help keep the page clear of B.S. Bumps, all PM's replied, nice cue comments, etc.......and if people want advertisement for their eBay auctions it'll cost them 5.00
-Basically you wouldn't be able to reply to a thread publicly you would only do it via PM. OP's could edit their original listing for price reductions, more info, sold items, etc......but it wouldn't move it to the top.
I'm sure a few people would not like the 5.00 listing fee but let's face it. If you sell a 100.00 item on eBay their cut is around 8.00 so 5.00 isn't a ridiculous number in my opinion. Plus I'd rather give my money to "pool people" than eBay. Also, this small listing fee would probably generate more revenue for the site than a few banners paid for by abiding members.
This might be a public forum but it is a privately owned site. I understand that, and will adjust to whatever changes occur without whining or complaining. The above is just me "thinking out loud" on some things that might help and be Moderator friendly once put in place.
Break the wanted for sale section into these groups:
-Wanted
-For Trade (must be pool related for pool related)
-For Sale (one item per thread)
-EBay
Since there's so much talk here about eBay why not take some of their practices into consideration? Such as:
-All items are automatically deleted (by computer not Mod) after 7 days.
-Items listed in order of original list date (No Bumping, commenting, etc.)
-Charge 5.00 paid via paypal to list an item in the for sale/eBay sections. This will help with people over pricing items (because if it doesn't sell they will have to pay another 5.00 after the initial 7 days are up) and will also help keep the page clear of B.S. Bumps, all PM's replied, nice cue comments, etc.......and if people want advertisement for their eBay auctions it'll cost them 5.00
-Basically you wouldn't be able to reply to a thread publicly you would only do it via PM. OP's could edit their original listing for price reductions, more info, sold items, etc......but it wouldn't move it to the top.
I'm sure a few people would not like the 5.00 listing fee but let's face it. If you sell a 100.00 item on eBay their cut is around 8.00 so 5.00 isn't a ridiculous number in my opinion. Plus I'd rather give my money to "pool people" than eBay. Also, this small listing fee would probably generate more revenue for the site than a few banners paid for by abiding members.
This might be a public forum but it is a privately owned site. I understand that, and will adjust to whatever changes occur without whining or complaining. The above is just me "thinking out loud" on some things that might help and be Moderator friendly once put in place.