Wanted/For Sale Section to Change in New Year

Well a few guys say it definitely for sure not a community.

and a few guys say it definitely is a community.

At least we got that part straight.

Take Rusty Melton for example. I love his cases and wish I had one. The cases he makes and sells are new, so by the new procedure he will be banned from offering them for sale here. Were it not for AZ Billiards, I never would have seen one of his cases. How many cases a year can a craftsman like him make? Whatever the number, I'm sure it can't come close to him justifying contacting Jerry to buy a banner ad.

Brent Hartman for another example. I think I bought one of the first BHQs made. Saw it here, at AZ Billiards. It was a new cue, now he's banned from offering that product. Through the years I got to watch him progress as a cue maker to the point where one of his cues was sold to one of the Country's premier collectors. Where did Tikkler see that BHQ ? Here at AZ. I'm sure Bent is struggling to make ends meet as a cue maker. I, for one, kinda enjoyed helping him in his goal, and I'm betting that he flat can't afford to buy a banner. Please name me one banner ad buyer that is in any way harmed by Brent selling a one-off custom butterfly cue.

There is not one, not one, AZ Banner supporter business that is hurt one iota by Rusty or Brent selling their wares on AZ Billiards. I'm sure (or I hope at least) that neither Brent or Rusty were not considered when they came up with this new rule, and that is the problem as I see it. I just don't see AZ as so big that the people who run it can't come to their members and say, "here's the problems as we see them, lets work together to solve them".

However, as long as this post IS allowed:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=256415

I know its all good.

Thanks

Kevin
 
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kvinbrwr said:
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I just don't see AZ as so big that the people who run it can't come to their members and say, "here's the problems as we see them, lets work together to solve them".

Thanks

Kevin
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There are 34,000 users here. If just 1% weigh in on this, it would be a quagmire of ideas and suggestions. We can't even agree that there is a problem.

I appreciate your posts, Kevin, and I even agree with a lot of your ideas, but not all of them. In fact, I doubt we can find two people who can come to a consensus on this section of the forum.

I think the forum owners are doing this the way they should. If the outcry is big enough and the ideas are good, they may make some adjustments. But whatever they do, they don't really owe any of us an explanation.

Anyway..........
Karl
 
I Wonder

Almost no one is giving AZ a chance to make this work! I see they said if you want to be a seller of new items that you need to contact their advertising department. Has any of the sellers that are concerned about this change took the time to contact them?

Suprised we haven't heard from the top offenders...certain case maker comes to mind who never is afraid to give a lenghty opinion!
 
Wedge said:
Almost no one is giving AZ a chance to make this work! I see they said if you want to be a seller of new items that you need to contact their advertising department. Has any of the sellers that are concerned about this change took the time to contact them?

Suprised we haven't heard from the top offenders...certain case maker comes to mind who never is afraid to give a lenghty opinion!
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I'd be interested in hearing John's take on this myself, though the way the announcement was made it does appear that it's a done deal and all the caterwauling is for naught.

Lou Figueroa
 
Wedge said:
Almost no one is giving AZ a chance to make this work! I see they said if you want to be a seller of new items that you need to contact their advertising department. Has any of the sellers that are concerned about this change took the time to contact them?

Suprised we haven't heard from the top offenders...certain case maker comes to mind who never is afraid to give a lenghty opinion!
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Ad space is not affordable for the average Joe on AZ which is fine.

I understand the Brand New Production cues being sold below retail and how that would upset the companies that pay the good money to advertise on AZ. But who is to say what a Custom cue is worth? I would be willing to bet that not one cue builder or case maker has paid for ad space here on AZ just because it is not affordable...

Hopefully they come to a different solution than just banning all New Cue sales.
 
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They could make a fourm just for the Custom cue and case makers to sell their custom cues and cases.
No production cues cases, wholesalers, reselers, flippers, selling chalk holders, chalk, pens, t-shirts or other nick nack items.
Just custom cues and cases.
You would need to be a member to list your cue or case.
 
ddcuerepair said:
They could make a fourm just for the Custom cue and case makers to sell their custom cues and cases.
No production cues cases, wholesalers, reselers, flippers, selling chalk holders, chalk, pens, t-shirts or other nick nack items.
Just custom cues and cases.
You would need to be a member to list your cue or case.
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Lots of things they could do, yup.
 
plshrk22 said:
Ad space is not affordable for the average Joe on AZ which is fine.

I understand the Brand New Production cues being sold below retail and how that would upset the companies that pay the good money to advertise on AZ. But who is to say what a Custom cue is worth? I would be willing to bet that not one cue builder or case maker has paid for ad space here on AZ just because it is not affordable...

Hopefully they come to a different solution that just banning all New Cue sales.
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Yep.....hopefully. When we checked it was way beyond the realm of affordable. Wish it had not been.

Welcome to AZ's new Wanted/FS section.....reptile cages and website services.....a great improvement. :confused:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=256415
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=256460
 
cueaddicts said:
Yep.....hopefully. When we checked it was way beyond the realm of affordable. Wish it had not been.

Welcome to AZ's new Wanted/FS section.....reptile cages and website services.....a great improvement. :confused:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=256415
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=256460
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I for one, hate when Rusty clogs up the forum for 1 post every 6 months offering a case that lasts 15 minutes, because I might miss the reptile cage offering (or the tasty bump). Glad to see we've got our priorities right around here.
 
I'd love to see more sub-forums. As in.....

For Sale:

Cues: $1000+
$500-999.99
$499.99 and under

Cases: $500+
$100-499.99
$99.99 and under

Tables: $5000+
$2500-4999.99
$1000-2499.99
$999.99 or less

Accessories: {some sort of price table for high and low end items}

And so on and so forth. Sure, it might be a little bit of work, and I don't think it should be broken down into a million pieces, but it's really difficult to surf thru a ton of cues when I'm looking for a table. Or when I'd like an inexpensive case, but all I see are kamui chalk deals.

I see this brought up a lot and I had to throw my 2 cents in.

OOOOOOOOOOR....perhaps when a seller has an item, they could have be searchable by a set of checkboxes, such as "New", "Table", "$5000+".......and then a person that's looking for an item just checks boxes off till they narrow down the list to what they're looking for.

Sort of like looking for stuff on eBay or BestBuy.com.

There's a lot of ways to make this more user-friendly. However, I get the feeling that this change has more to do with who's selling what and how much they're spamming. Which I'm not totally against changing.
 
AzBilliards is trying to bring some sanity back to the wanted/for sale section. This latest change will hopefully be just the start of things to come. Controlling the bumps and requiring the sellers to post a price should be next, IMO.
 
As a long time lurker and recently newly registered user this seems like a bad decision.

Sounds like LP just took 80% of the W/FS business away in less than a day and without even trying.

I would think that would hurt AZ in the long run, if it's actually advertisers that complained, i'm sure they'll complain even more when the traffic on AZ goes down significantly because a lot of people will be checking LP's site more often.

I guess only time will tell.
 
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Charlie Edwards said:
AzBilliards is trying to bring some sanity back to the wanted/for sale section. This latest change will hopefully be just the start of things to come. Controlling the bumps and requiring the sellers to post a price should be next, IMO.
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How about ENFORCING the rule of NO ONE entering a for sale thread and influencing the price of the cue being sold by their self serving opinions of the cues worth, just in hopes of getting the cue price lower so they can pick up a steal of a deal, then turn around and hold the cue hostage for much, much more than the cue bought for........

It the offers are made private via PM, then the buyers can turn around and sell it for whatever they want, no problem with that.

But the ability to influence the sell price by making a suggestion, offer or opinion, on the cues worth or value, without being asked should not be allowed, IMHHO.....
 
"There are 34,000 users here"

Not really. There are 34,000 logins. Almost half of them have never posted, so I wouldn't consider them members. Of the other half, how many are aliases, inactive, etc.... I would guess the list of active members to be closer to 10k than 34k and probably lower than that.
 
Charlie Edwards said:
AzBilliards is trying to bring some sanity back to the wanted/for sale section. This latest change will hopefully be just the start of things to come. Controlling the bumps and requiring the sellers to post a price should be next, IMO.
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All good ideas. The last "change from on high" thread brought a ton of member comments, suggestions and ideas. The major ones were make categories and limit bumps. I don't think one person, in all the suggestions made in those 3 days, mentioned thinking stopping folks from posting new product. Yet, that is the change we get. Doesn't seem to me that it as about what the members think, but we can always hope.

Thanks

Kevin
 
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Jerry Forsyth said:
AZBilliards is going to be making changes to the Wanted/For Sale forum section. This section was intended to be a place for individuals to sell their personal items. When an individual got a new cue they could sell their old one on our forums. It was intended to be a service for our readers.

But it has become a section that continually bites us and the advertisers who support the very existence of AZB.

So we are going to take it back to what it was always supposed to be. ONLY individuals with used merchandise for sale will be able to post there in the New Year. No new merchandise will be able to be sold there and certainly no mass marketing will be allowed to continue.

All businesses who are currently working off of that forum should make appropriate plans. Any who are interested in continuing their presence on AZB should contact our advertising department via email: jerry@azbilliards.com
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Changes are not always a bad thing but this does not explain much.

Question 1
Can people still post something they are looking for? It is stated that the Wanted/ For Sale section was started for people to sell their old cues but nothing is mentioned about someone looking for something.

Question 2
If someone receives a Southwest, Tascarella, Szamboti...etc does it fall under the new category or is that limited to certain things such as peddling mass amounts of production cues and so on?

Question 3
Will the new rules allow only pool cues to be sold or can cases and other "POOL and BILLIARD" related items be sold as well?

Question 4
What is meant by contacting the advertising department? Does anyone who buys or sells anything have to meet a certain criteria or will there be some form of specific membership that has to be obtained to sell things

Question 5
Is there a limit to the number of cues and or related items that can be sold?

Limiting the sales to certain things is not a bad idea and will eliminate a lot of clutter in the Wanted/For Sale section but it sounds as if that part of the forum is going to be cut severly. Cutting out the Ebay links was both good and bad depending on who you talk to but people are following it, just as directed. It seems lately there are a lot more non-pool/billiard related items popping up in the Wanted/For Sale section and that is probably part of the problem. Most of which seem to be from new member who probably dont know better or who are just looking to get rid of an item and move on. Rather than make a drastic change it might be a good idea to cut the fat and just clean up a few loose ends. For instance, make it manditory that anyone who participates in the Wanted/For Sale section be only looking to buy or sell a cue, case or other pool/billiard item.....PERIOD. Limiting the site to strictly these things would be a big step for one.
 
i am a member of a forum whos 4 sale section reccomends a voluntary dnation upon sale. works well and is voluntary. they however have no advertisers on their site. wonder whch would generate more money?
 
shamadam said:
O.K., so I'm no dealer. I don't have a business, nor do I purchase anything new
at wholesale prices, or anything like that. I just took a new cue in on a trade. My
only options now are to either not to sell it here, or advertise it as used. Is this
correct? Again, I'm not against this move here at all, nor am I complaining, but if
I decide to sell this cue, I just don't want to post it up incorrectly, and have the
thread deleted. Thanks.
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If you took the cue in a trade it is not a new cue is it?
 
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