Has anyone suggested Magic Rack to Allen Hopkins for SBE?

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KMRUNOUT

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Curious...it seems the Magic rack would speed things up nicely for this tournament. With the alternating break format, it would seem that this would work extremely well for this type of tourney.

I've been watching the US Open bar table tourney, and there are nowhere near as many break and runs as I was expecting. Surely the Magic Rack would solve far more issues than it would create for the amateurs. The obvious benefits would be:

1) Ability to overcome the vast range of ability to properly rack the balls...everyone breaks the same rack.
2) Pace of play...it only takes a few seconds to get a perfect rack.

What do people think?

KMRUNOUT
 
Richardson said:
Did you like where SVB broke and made 5 playing 10 ball.

Magic rack is a joke.
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Seriously. Having a frozen rack is a joke? Wow. Did you also hate the Sardo rack this much? Or the Delta? or do you just hate all racking devices and we just squish them together with our forearms and smash 'em?

Does he do that every time? Nope. Does anyone? Nope.
 
So are you saying that SVB made 5 balls on the break because of the Magic Rack and not because he's the best 10 ball breaker in the world?

I'll take the Magic rack over a regular rack anytime and no I don't break like SVB so I need all the help I can get.
 
I'd like someone to do the research and determine if the magic rack is indeed a perfect rack - meaning the balls react the same when they are all frozen together with a triangle versus leaning into each other like with the MBR.

As far as using it at the SBE, I would imagine the rack sponsorship is up for bids at that event, if so the MBR people could certainly bid on it. If they weren't the high bidder I guess that's your answer why it isn't being used.
 
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I will try calling Allen tomorrow. If I reach him I will post the info.

Thanks for most of the responses so far.

KMRUNOUT
 
KMRUNOUT said:
Curious...it seems the Magic rack would speed things up nicely for this tournament. With the alternating break format, it would seem that this would work extremely well for this type of tourney.

I've been watching the US Open bar table tourney, and there are nowhere near as many break and runs as I was expecting. Surely the Magic Rack would solve far more issues than it would create for the amateurs. The obvious benefits would be:

1) Ability to overcome the vast range of ability to properly rack the balls...everyone breaks the same rack.
2) Pace of play...it only takes a few seconds to get a perfect rack.

What do people think?


KMRUNOUT
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Agreed. Much more fun playing when the rack spreads like it should.
 
Bill Westley racks

On the site and sponsors it says Bill Westley racks,,so I take from it they may be useing those wooden racks,,..its on the media files link on the main page...im not a computer person or I would paste it up....lol << ED
 
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How long would those templates last at a tournament like the SBE? People steal cues and I am sure they would be taking those templates because it would be very easy and others are just too cheap to buy one.





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TheBook said:
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How long would those templates last at a tournament like the SBE? People steal cues and I am sure they would be taking those templates because it would be very easy and others are just too cheap to buy one.

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They use them at the Swanee (192 players) and I believe the BCAPL Nationals (1,000's of players, 200+ tables) and it's not a problem.

First off, they're not expensive. I'd think Delta racks would more likely grow legs. Secondly, the officials know who was assigned to the table just before the rack went missing.
 
TheBook said:
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How long would those templates last at a tournament like the SBE? People steal cues and I am sure they would be taking those templates because it would be very easy and others are just too cheap to buy one.

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They would of course have to inventory them. For example, the winner is responsible for turning it in with their scoresheet. I don't think it would be a big deal. I could be wrong...

KMRUNOUT
 
a little input

I am not one that has a great skill. But I do understand that the break is the start of the great players’ game. The magic rack does help our game in both consistency and quickness. My break has always been great with the ability to spread the balls around the table, thanks JR Calvert. The understanding of how the balls spread on the table is based upon the spaces/gaps between the spheres/balls and the sizes of those spaces do and will affect where the balls are pocketed on the break and during the course of the game, this understanding has come thru Joe Tucker. I have just ordered my first set of the magic rack recently and can not wait to take to my local pool hall and bar to play with a consistent almost predictable system. We all understand that if the systems where perfect we would not play, the irregular actions of every table and the balls on the table make our game fun and frustrating. Any one who is concerned about theft is just hurting our industry, yes all times we must concern ourselves with human frailties. We must get above this petty bickering of this table hurt me, the rack is not perfect, and the balls rolled off of line, truly, so what. Our game is it a leisure to enjoy and relax and yes for some and full time income.

A link to enjoy and maybe for some to purchase from Joe Tucker

If you watch the 30 second of preview from his Racking Secrets II DVD you will see the consistency of the 10 ball break with the magic rack. The purchase of the DVD will help your game no matter the level that you currently play. The more understanding the better the results.

"Determination is the wake up call to the human spirit"
 
I always thought the magic rack was pretty stupid...until I tried it. I am at the bar table championships right now, and these things are bad ass. When guys like SVB have the option to check their opponents rack, but they don't because they know it's perfect, then you know it works. I would recommend this rack to everyone.
 
easy-e said:
I always thought the magic rack was pretty stupid...until I tried it. I am at the bar table championships right now, and these things are bad ass. When guys like SVB have the option to check their opponents rack, but they don't because they know it's perfect, then you know it works. I would recommend this rack to everyone.
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Implement cheating device!
 
Can someone explain to me why its cheating? You get a better break because the balls are tight every time as there supposed to be. How is that cheating?
 
Local players here have used them playing 9 ball and consistently made 2/3 balls on every break. I am talking about low A and B players.

Just not a fan.
 
trob said:
Can someone explain to me why its cheating? You get a better break because the balls are tight every time as there supposed to be. How is that cheating?
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Not literally cheating, but I believe it takes a lot of chance out of the game and at a hi-level, it makes the game too easy.

I am a hack an have played events with the MR and have been able to break easy and play shape on the 1b while making 1-3 balls on the break a gross # of times.

Actually, I thing the balls should be placed in a sack and dropped onto the table, alternate first shot. Just an idea, still a few kinks to work on.
 
Black-Balled said:
Actually, I thing the balls should be placed in a sack and dropped onto the table, alternate first shot. Just an idea, still a few kinks to work on.
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This is how I've always did it !

Are you telling me this Magic Rack thingy could be a new alternative ?

jmo
 
The Magic Rack

The Magic Rack in my opinion helps the players with the weaker break make balls more often.
So if you want to penalize the players who have spent hours and hours practicing the break to get better at breaking using the Magic Rack is the way to go.
Using the Magic Rack is the same as giving a handicap to a weaker shooter in a tournament to make them more competitive.
Basically what is being said if the Magic Rack becomes the norm, is don't bother to spend a lot of time practicing your break because were going to give a handicap to the weaker breakers who haven't put a lot of time and effort in to getting better at breaking. SOUNDS FAIR TO ME, not.
 
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