Open Offer to Danny Harriman and John Schmidt from TAR

[JAM]

Well if his eMail to one of the few promoters in our sport declining his invitation was dishonest about his real reasons, well, OK, I'll try to take the high road and not type a bunch of judgement about that.

You yourself have posted plenty from the players' perspective regarding the inequity of the whole gambling wit a backer scenario, and it looked to me thatJustin came up with a fabulous opportunity for 2 players to match up, enhance interest in the sport, at zero risk to the players, with TAR absorbing all the financial risk. Seems to me, that the players invited might have tried to look past whatever problems they had with the format or the past and seen this invitation as some type of hope they could latch on to, but maybe that's just me.

Kevin

Players are not dancing monkeys. They have feelings too!

 

[justadub]

I guess I'm kind of confused. (Happens frequently.)

In their last round of woofing a few weeks ago, Danny was telling john that they could do it again, but that banks had to be included.

Nowhere in that whole long series of exchanges was there any mention that danny would need a lot of time to get ready, and that he would have to relocate in order to play the match....

I don't know the man, and honestly wouldn't recognize him if I bumped into him. But from the accounts posted here by people who have had dealings with him, and from his own posts here, he seems a bit troubled.

A damned shame you couldn't make this work, Justin. On to the next one, where you'll have people gladly accept your generous offer.

 

[kvinbrwr]

Players are not dancing monkeys. They have feelings too!

Part of being a professional is getting past one's feeling and seizing opportunities and doing the best you can for yourself and your sport.

Justin is trying to find a way to get past the problem of backers and still end up with product to promote, and it seems to me the method he came across takes the complete burden of financial risk of the players and places it squarely on himself. If a player in a sport that really needs help can't see past himself and his hurt feelings and see this is a golden opportunity for himself and his chosen profession, well, I'm sorry, but maybe that player (to quote Jack Nicklaus) "just isn't thinking right".

Kevin

 

[JAM]

Part of being a professional is getting past one's feeling and seizing opportunities and doing the best you can for yourself and your sport.

Justin is trying to find a way to get past the problem of backers and still end up with product to promote, and it seems to me the method he came across, takes the complete burden of financial risk on himself. If a player in a sport that really needs help can't see past himself and his hurt feelings and see this is a golden opportunity for himself and his chosen profession, well, I'm sorry, but maybe that player (to quote Jack Nicklaus) "just isn't thinking right".

Kevin

Kevin, I understand what you are saying. The only thing I am saying is that there may be issues at play here -- behind the scenes -- that this forum is not aware of, personal reasons.

I agree that in the end, money should be the motivating factor to get that pro player out there and performing for the masses. It's a win-win if both sides can pocket something, win or lose.

There could be health reasons why somebody can't travel, as an example. Maybe they are going through chemo and have lost their hair and don't want to be seen in public until they get whole again. This is a far-fetched example, but it's one that could be the determining factor of why a person chooses not to go for the "free ride," so to speak. My point is that money is not always the end-all/be-all, though it is a requirement, it would seem, in the pool world. Nobody wants to work for free. :smile:

 

[Kid Dynomite]

Another all around match I would like to see is Neils Fiejen vs Alex (lion) Pagaylayan (sp)!!!!

I am certain both would accept, fight hard and draw a TON of viewers

KD

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[The Chinchilla]

Kevin, I understand what you are saying. The only thing I am saying is that there may be issues at play here -- behind the scenes -- that this forum is not aware of, personal reasons.

I agree that in the end, money should be the motivating factor to get that pro player out there and performing for the masses. It's a win-win if both sides can pocket something, win or lose.

There could be health reasons why somebody can't travel, as an example. Maybe they are going through chemo and have lost their hair and don't want to be seen in public until they get whole again. This is a far-fetched example, but it's one that could be the determining factor of why a person chooses not to go for the "free ride," so to speak. My point is that money is not always the end-all/be-all, though it is a requirement, it would seem, in the pool world. Nobody wants to work for free. :smile:

I once saw Keith show up to a little local tournament after having totally smashed his finger with a hammer I think he said it was. He didn't care, he just wanted to play pool -- imagine that.

 

[JAM]

I once saw Keith show up to a little local tournament after having totally smashed his finger with a hammer I think he said it was. He didn't care, he just wanted to play pool -- imagine that.

Keith with a hammer? That's hard to imagine for me at least. He can't boil water, much less use a hammer. :rotflmao1:

 

[RunoutJJ]

I really want to say a lot of things but dont have any idea on how to put it all into words...


Danny....

Do you work at all or just play pool?? Do you have bills to pay like the rest of the world?? I just don't get it!!!! Are you scared or afraid of the outcome of this match-up??

Ive seen you play both One-Pocket and Straight Pool and I say you have a very good chance at winning this!! So why turn down FREE MONEY!!! Is it an ego thing?? DO you really think what you said to Justin is a even a reason to say no?? Ive seen my share of loonies but you my friend take the cupie doll thats for sure!!! If I were in your situation I would lumber up to the airline... Jump on a plane and kick the shite out of John for the whole pool playing world to see!! You obviously have a major problem with John but why not just play?? Show up and just play POOL!! You dont have to talk to each other let yoru game do the talking!!!!Ever POOL PLAYER I know would jump at this!! Its just plain nuts bro...


John...


Always liked your game and your overall attitude and approach to pool. No offence to what I said to Danny about kicking your ass but sorry... He should just to prove a point that he can play with you. Not saying that you can't or wouldn't win but its just an attitude or mind-set you have to have to play at this level. So again no offence


It truly is sad that this is how it is. Its amazing that some people (a handful) can ***** and moan about FREE MONEY!!!


It makes me sick to think players are willing to chop up the finals or arrange everything to their favor and still b*tch about everything!! You want to be PROFESSIONALS in pool than act like it!!! Bunch of snotty nosed prats!! There was once in my life I looked up to the top players and wanted to play professional pool but.... As I got deeper into the pro pool world its made me nothing but sick to my stomach!! Im glad I chose a career and stuck with being a weekend warrior.

Im not gonna name all the guys and gals that play and act like professionals because we all know who they are. All those people I respect and remind me that this game still has hope. To all the crybabies and pratty others... I hope I draw you in a non-seeded tournament and send you to the loser-side. That would better than winning any tournament!!

Hope to see you at the Open :groucho:

 

[sfleinen]

Keith with a hammer? That's hard to imagine for me at least. He can't boil water, much less use a hammer. :rotflmao1:

Keith with any kind of striking implement? He would then be Keith McCRASH!dy.

 

[Black-Balled]

YOu gogot me, Neil. Bring it on...see you in Vegas.oke:

Well.... this thread sure has taken an interesting turn in events. This is the kind of stuff that you just can't make up!

Justin- what you have offered is great! Don't let the turndown on the the first offer affect the future of making more offers.

As far as Danny.... well, we don't know what he is thinking, so I'm not going to judge him too harshly. It might be nothing more than player mentality of not fully recognizing what a gift is compared to trying to play hard ball in negotiations to get the stake raised if possible. In this case, he flashed it too long and got it caught in his zipper. Now he is done for. For all we know, right now he is kicking himself in the rear.???

Justin, if you are having trouble finding people to do this, look no farther than here. I am willing and able. I will play ANYONE. Heck, I'll even give them a spot if they want one! It won't be a show of great pool on my part, but there are plenty of videos of that out there. It should be a seller just for the comedic value. People will be laughing for weeks at the outs that I am capable of blowing. And, it will have teaching value. I am fully capable of showing ways to blow an easy out that have never been seen before! Anyways, the offer is there. If you and Mark both have a total brain fart and accept, I'd be thrilled.

 

[JAM]

Keith with any kind of striking implement? He would then be Keith McCRASH!dy.

He's going to frown at me when he reads this thread. I'd have him post his thoughts, but I don't feel like taking a picture of him holding a piece of paper with today's date to prove it's him posting to please the naysayers.

What he said, though, about this topic is kind of funny! :grin:

 

[kvinbrwr]

I think a lot of the negativity and judgement we are seeing regarding Danny's declination just stems from disappointment over not being able to see what could have been a great match. If TAR is going to front out that much dough in order to promote pool, they really need a match that will draw more interest than most. This match, judging from the interest in this thread, had that potential. Plus, like the OMGWF match years back, also in TAR's favor was the fact that the players would be contentious enough to woof it up once the match was set and stir up interest that way. There really aren't too many legendary feuds in pool and this is one of them, its a shame that the opportunity gets missed.

I understand why players are wary of promoters, but if they are unwilling or unable (which they clearly are) to draw themselves together in any meaningful fashion, that responsibility (if there is any hope) is going to fall on the shoulders of a promoter if the sport has any future at all. And from the promoters we have to choose from this TAR/CSI bunch is clearly the class of the field.

I think Danny should rethink his position, let go of his past hurts, and step up and compete and do something for himself and his sport. If this format actually worked for TAR and they didn't have to wait around for backers to get a match together we could have an endless stream of pool entertainment. Its a total shame that is has to flop over, well, whatever reason Danny has for not playing.

Kevin

 

[SpinDoctor]

Give me a shot at playing on a tar feed against a world beater for free money....hell yes, I'd even let Justin have his wolfagator chase me around while I shoot.

 

[justadub]

He's going to frown at me when he reads this thread. I'd have him post his thoughts, but I don't feel like taking a picture of him holding a piece of paper with today's date to prove it's him posting to please the naysayers.

What he said, though, about this topic is kind of funny! :grin:

Paraphrase, or quotes.... Both work nicely

(Stop teasing :grin: )

 

[Black-Balled]

...I think Danny should rethink his position, let go of his past hurts, and step up and compete and do something for himself and his sport.

Kevin

I disagree. He is too much of a liability.

Maybe if he puts up $2k for a no-show post. MAY. BE

 

[kvinbrwr]

I disagree. He is too much of a liability.

Maybe if he puts up $2k for a no-show post. MAY. BE

Oh I get all the things we pool players do in order not to get screwed in one situation or another. All those protections just may be what makes our sport have such a limited venue. Seems to me TAR was willing to take a huge risk in order to promote our sport and I think they should be respected for that and the pros owe it to their fans (a base that is getting smaller every year I wonder why?) to step up and show some class for a change.

 

[JAM]

Oh I get all the things we pool players do in order not to get screwed in one situation or another. All those protections just may be what makes our sport have such a limited venue. Seems to me TAR was willing to take a huge risk in order to promote our sport and I think they should be respected for that and the pros owe it to their fans (a base that is getting smaller every year I wonder why?) to step up and show some class for a change.

You should talk to a few of the pro players sometime and get their views, the majority of which are never posted on this forum.

 

[The Chinchilla]

Keith with a hammer? That's hard to imagine for me at least. He can't boil water, much less use a hammer. :rotflmao1:

Maybe that is why he hurt himself with it then

What did he have to say about all this?? He could have a broken leg and I bet he'd show up for this if they asked him (which they should btw).

 

[pt109]

Showing my age here...
I miss the old action days.
Now a player can turn down appearance money....'cause he doesn't like
the quality of the red carpet they're laying down for him????

The game needs more guys like Scotty Townsend...who once said...
"I've never been beat....but I've ran out of money a few times."

 

[kvinbrwr]

You should talk to a few of the pro players sometime and get their views, the majority of which are never posted on this forum.

If you are saying the pro players have a right to think the way they do, hey who am I to argue, I'm sure they have been lied to, cheated and used their entire lives.

However, given the current state of competitive pool in the US, wouldn't Dr Phil be asking this collective group of pro players regarding their thoughts "how's that working for you?"