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[elvicash]

I disagree. The bar on this has moved from previous generations thanks to YouTube, Vimeo, all the guys doing streaming, all the 14.1 Challenge videos, John's DVDs (which you can't watch on a Mac , all the other videos posted here, AND the ready availability of low cost quality video equipment. Anyone can go out and buy a cheap video camera and tripod and record. It is not rocket science.

And so, if someone is going to claim big runs nowadays, there is no good reason on God's good green Simonis covered Earth that they can't provide video to back it up.

Lou Figueroa

I hear you Lou. I do not think there is anything to be gained by the high runs other than I did this ### run or whatever it does not seem to come with a valuable reward to claim a high run of any number. However we as pool fans accept Mosoni claim of the 526 because there is some sort of affidavit or some such legal looking document. This document we accept makes no mention of if Mosconi was playing with no fouls or if he did foul just move the ball back. There is not even agreement in this run of why the run stopped, was it a miss or did Mosconi get bored and stop. Mosconi has made both claim about the run long ago he said he missed to end the run,later on he said he stopped. I guess what I am saying is there no official (whatever official is) group overseeing high runs. There is nothing of value to be gained by running a big number at Bobby's private table with no video or with John running 300+ at Marops on video. John might sell a few videos but there is no Million Dollar prize. I see you want to raise the bar with visual proof, that is cool maybe we should put something together come up with a rules group, talk about rules and what is proof of run and also of course put together a prize found. True Rack will donate $1,000 to a run that surpasses Mosconis run whether it is done at home or at one of these large events like DCC, SBE or CSI vegas whatever that is ifif we decide to create a high run prize fund.

My suggestion is touch fouls are OK but no more than a single ball per rack. I have heard Mosconi was pretty much capable of fouling a ball during his daily high runs so I have to believe he fouled at least a ball during his big run. Video has to be 30 fps and 640x480 or better full color. Table has to be 4x8, 4 1/2x9 or 5x10. Pocket size to be no larger than 5 1/2" which is what I heard Mosconi had on that 4x8. Cleaning of the balls will also need to be addressed, I think we would allow cleaning of pocketed balls every rack, cleaning cue ball or break ball would be allowed but a ball marker would have to be used not 2 pieces of chalk. I know Bob J would want no fouls at all but I am open to whatever is decided.

So if we could get all pool fans who have a business pool related or not to make a donation then we could put together a prize fund. As I said True Rack will donate $1000 with the goal being some 6/7digit prize fund number, I think $1 million plus could be raised. I think we could raise enough funds that it would get the attention of the people who are capable of a 527. I for one think John could run 527 or more in 2 years on a loose Diamond 4x8 with 5 inch pockets Simonis cloth and Aramith ball and an awesome light if he had a reason to try for 6-8 hours a day. He goes for periods of time without hitting a ball. Bobby might be able to put that type of run together to if there was a reward. Same for Danny H and quite a few Europeans. Should we put something together. What I would like if we want to do this would be for players to sign up ahead of time that you are going to be trying and then at least a run a month on video so we can see the progress. Let them submit a sample of video so we can be sure the quality is acceptable. We would want to be sure there was no Sascha run submitted for the prize fund. We could put together a high run site and all the donators could get ad space for their donations. I would love to see some Ustream live streams of various players working to a high run. I think we could develop a following of more than the normal visitors we get to this AZ 14.1 sub forum.

So what I am saying is if we want to have rules for high run claims then there has to be a reason to make a high run claim and pay attention to your runs. I bet we could raise some decent funds and try to get some mainstream media attention and perhaps some mainstream cash. Would love to see Coke supporting 14.1 or Chevy or Nike. I think it could happen. Notice I am talking about a 527 the goal of this would be to surpass Mosconi's high run and get attention on 14.1 and pool in general.

What do you all think.

 

[lfigueroa]

I hear you Lou. I do not think there is anything to be gained by the high runs other than I did this ### run or whatever it does not seem to come with a valuable reward to claim a high run of any number. However we as pool fans accept Mosoni claim of the 526 because there is some sort of affidavit or some such legal looking document. This document we accept makes no mention of if Mosconi was playing with no fouls or if he did foul just move the ball back. There is not even agreement in this run of why the run stopped, was it a miss or did Mosconi get bored and stop. Mosconi has made both claim about the run long ago he said he missed to end the run,later on he said he stopped. I guess what I am saying is there no official (whatever official is) group overseeing high runs. There is nothing of value to be gained by running a big number at Bobby's private table with no video or with John running 300+ at Marops on video. John might sell a few videos but there is no Million Dollar prize. I see you want to raise the bar with visual proof, that is cool maybe we should put something together come up with a rules group, talk about rules and what is proof of run and also of course put together a prize found. True Rack will donate $1,000 to a run that surpasses Mosconis run whether it is done at home or at one of these large events like DCC, SBE or CSI vegas whatever that is ifif we decide to create a high run prize fund.

My suggestion is touch fouls are OK but no more than a single ball per rack. I have heard Mosconi was pretty much capable of fouling a ball during his daily high runs so I have to believe he fouled at least a ball during his big run. Video has to be 30 fps and 640x480 or better full color. Table has to be 4x8, 4 1/2x9 or 5x10. Pocket size to be no larger than 5 1/2" which is what I heard Mosconi had on that 4x8. Cleaning of the balls will also need to be addressed, I think we would allow cleaning of pocketed balls every rack, cleaning cue ball or break ball would be allowed but a ball marker would have to be used not 2 pieces of chalk. I know Bob J would want no fouls at all but I am open to whatever is decided.

So if we could get all pool fans who have a business pool related or not to make a donation then we could put together a prize fund. As I said True Rack will donate $1000 with the goal being some 6/7digit prize fund number, I think $1 million plus could be raised. I think we could raise enough funds that it would get the attention of the people who are capable of a 527. I for one think John could run 527 or more in 2 years on a loose Diamond 4x8 with 5 inch pockets Simonis cloth and Aramith ball and an awesome light if he had a reason to try for 6-8 hours a day. He goes for periods of time without hitting a ball. Bobby might be able to put that type of run together to if there was a reward. Same for Danny H and quite a few Europeans. Should we put something together. What I would like if we want to do this would be for players to sign up ahead of time that you are going to be trying and then at least a run a month on video so we can see the progress. Let them submit a sample of video so we can be sure the quality is acceptable. We would want to be sure there was no Sascha run submitted for the prize fund. We could put together a high run site and all the donators could get ad space for their donations. I would love to see some Ustream live streams of various players working to a high run. I think we could develop a following of more than the normal visitors we get to this AZ 14.1 sub forum.

So what I am saying is if we want to have rules for high run claims then there has to be a reason to make a high run claim and pay attention to your runs. I bet we could raise some decent funds and try to get some mainstream media attention and perhaps some mainstream cash. Would love to see Coke supporting 14.1 or Chevy or Nike. I think it could happen. Notice I am talking about a 527 the goal of this would be to surpass Mosconi's high run and get attention on 14.1 and pool in general.

What do you all think.

Elvi, I don’t want to raise the bar -- I’m saying, for better or worse -- the bar has already been raised by what has happened with recorded runs the last few years. And in terms of that, it is now less acceptable and less credible to be claiming big numbers without the video to back it up.

You’re right, we don’t know a lot about Mosconi’s run, though it has been generally determined and confessed that he missed to end the run. So though we've all heard about longer runs on tougher equipment, it was Mosconi who had the foresight to get the affidavit with the signatures of numerous witnesses. And though we can argue about the comparable circumstances (and in particular the table size), once again, for better or worse, the 526 has become institutionalized as “the high run” to beat.

As to a prize fund, I think talk of a million, or even 100K is unrealistic. I also don’t think we’d get anywhere with standardizing anything. If tomorrow Niels records a 600 with crappy video and on a Dutch made table, that’s going to be it, no?

As to ball cleaning every rack, I think there are enough aficionados who look askance at that practice that even if recorded there would be a lot of debate, so why would anyone try it in that manner, knowing they risk a record with an asterisk?

Returning to the original point: my personal feeling is that if you’re going to talk about multiple 200 ball runs and/or the highest run on a Diamond, or stuff like that there, you need to cough up video to back it up. It’s just the way things are nowadays, for better or worse.

Lou Figueroa

 

[sjm]

Elvi, I don’t want to raise the bar -- I’m saying, for better or worse -- the bar has already been raised by what has happened with recorded runs the last few years. And in terms of that, it is now less acceptable and less credible to be claiming big numbers without the video to back it up......

Returning to the original point: my personal feeling is that if you’re going to talk about multiple 200 ball runs and/or the highest run on a Diamond, or stuff like that there, you need to cough up video to back it up. It’s just the way things are nowadays, for better or worse.

Lou Figueroa

The fact remains that most professionals don't record their practices, and, of course, why on earth would they? The bar has not been raised in any way by the very few pros who usually choose to record their practices, and, no, it's not the way things are nowadays. Babe Cranfield, who Irving Crane suggested "had more 300 ball runs than any player in history," ran 768 in practice, so for practice runs, that's the record to beat. An exhibition run of more than 526 might be an even taller order, as the pressure would surely mount dramatically in the presence of a crowd.

 

[lfigueroa]

The fact remains that most professionals don't record their practices, and, of course, why on earth would they? The bar has not been raised in any way by the very few pros who usually choose to record their practices, and, no, it's not the way things are nowadays. Babe Cranfield, who Irving Crane suggested "had more 300 ball runs than any player in history," ran 768 in practice, so for practice runs, that's the record to beat. An exhibition run of more than 526 might be an even taller order, as the pressure would surely mount dramatically in the presence of a crowd.

I believe those professionals, few and far between though they may be, who do find it rewarding to pursue high 14.1 runs, are recording their practice sessions. And, if you look back on how many 14.1 run videos you could find on the internet 10 or even five years ago the number has gone up significantly because of, as I have already pointed out, the good efforts of the guys at the 14.1 Challenges at the DCC, SBE, and more recently at the CSI event in Vegas. Independently, we have John's recordings, Corey's, Archer's, Hohmann's, Harriman's, Eberle's, and a few others, as well as those runs recorded at DP events and through the good auspices of Accu-Stats. Then there are also the independent streamers. Even here in the 14.1 Forum, you see many recorded runs, because that's what people do nowadays and did not do 10 years ago.

People are indeed recording their practice sessions and in five years I believe the number of recorded runs will increase even more. It's what we, in the era of YouTube, have come to expect. The bar has moved. And today any player making claims of big numbers needs to have the video to back it up because there's little reason not to be able to. It might have been OK 10 years ago, or even five, but not today when the equipment is cheap and posting video up on the internet is something even a seven year old can figure out.

As to the old guys: there are no affidavits for Cranfield's run, nor for Crane's, nor Mizerak's, nor even Nagy's runs. Just the occasional say so of one guy who may or may not have watched the whole run. So, like I said, for better or worse, everyone, (with the noted exception of Stu), recognizes Mosconi's run as the run to beat.

Lou Figueroa

 

[mnorwood]

3 thoughts on this issue.

I heard from more than one source that Mosconi said that if he had not gotten tired he would have continued the run past the 526. I don't know if this is true or not.

Second the prize fund would have to be 7 figures or I think a good idea would be have a table where players buy each inning to beat the run and the prize fund would build like a progressive jackpot does on a slot machine. I would also make sure that at least 3 cameras were set up to make sure the run was captured.

I think it can be done if a funding structure can be found to create the right incentive to do so.

 

[elvicash]

First on the video thing I am not doubting what anyone says they ran but I want to point out how they look at hole in one in golf, if you hit one by yourself then it did not happen. With video you always have a witness. I hope Bobby runs a big number and shares it with us but he has no requirement to do that with the current way things are in pool. This is a forum with all of us espousing our thoughts hiding behind keyboards.

Back to beating Mosconi's 526, if it really mattered to me I could get that record beat in 2 years or less. I would hire the best players to play 14.1 8 hrs a day. They could pick there time to work I would expect 40 hrs a week just like any job. I would set up streaming on each and every table. I would have a website that would announce or invite viewers to watch player X or player Y as they played daily. I would pay them like 50k-60k a year pay them every week or 2 just like any other job. If and when they got on a run they would play it out and run it to the end. If you had 4 top players playing on good solid fair equipment. If that was done and there was a high enough reward for running the big number it would be ran and probably quicker than anyone on this site thinks. I would do what any other team does when trying to do something great, we would have peer reviews every week or so reviewing the best runs and find out where they broke down and this continual effort with all focused on high runs I would expect 200+ runs daily would happen and 300+ runs would happen weekly with a monthor two and in less than 2 years the big outlier would occur and we would have a monster run and it would be more than 527.

I know Mosoni was the greatest player of his era, he had talent and he was paid to play pool thus he got his 100+ every day and he ran it on the table that he found. It is obvious he liked certain things his way that is why he took his own clean balls with him. His big run was an anomly it was 5 time normal daily goal. We have a group of people who can run a good high run every day and if they set their expected goal higher such as 125 or 150 I think they would achieve that and get multiples of it fairly quickly.

Current players play pool for various reasons but tell me one that is highly compensated just to play every day. I know some are sponsored but does any of them make 100k salary not that I know of so they focus on other things in life some to make money and some to occupy their time as they see no high value in focusing on pool/14.1. Too bad. I am sure we would all like to see the run if a player claims they ran a big number but I do not think they owe us video because they have nothing to gain by showing their work. Babe did not show anyone a 768 but I believe he ran it. I think Mosoni ran that 526, i think he missed to end the run, I would be highly surprised if both of these runs were ran without a single foul. I do not care what sort of video you have a brush of a ball could easily go unnoticed on video or in front of a large audience such as Mosconi had or in the room where Cranfield had his tremendous sessions.

I think if you had a mid 6 figure bonus for the high run and you had great players putting in the time on the table the runs would get higher and higher. I think the constant work of each player would elevate the others especially if they had an arena to work out of such as the place down in Florida set up by JR at Inside Pool or a super TAR studio with 4 big tracks. To try to guarantee to beat the record would take some doing some video/tech people some great players and someone to put together a plan and raise the funding.

I wish there was a reason for the best pool players to play the game. The other sports set a high bar and pay thier players. We set no bar for ours, they pay themselves as most tourneys is player money so players all throw in and a few take the cheese. I guess I will go back to lurking this pot is stuck and it is awfulyl hard to stir anything up that will make a change to the status quo.

 

[lfigueroa]

First on the video thing I am not doubting what anyone says they ran but I want to point out how they look at hole in one in golf, if you hit one by yourself then it did not happen. With video you always have a witness. I hope Bobby runs a big number and shares it with us but he has no requirement to do that with the current way things are in pool. This is a forum with all of us espousing our thoughts hiding behind keyboards.

Back to beating Mosconi's 526, if it really mattered to me I could get that record beat in 2 years or less. I would hire the best players to play 14.1 8 hrs a day. They could pick there time to work I would expect 40 hrs a week just like any job. I would set up streaming on each and every table. I would have a website that would announce or invite viewers to watch player X or player Y as they played daily. I would pay them like 50k-60k a year pay them every week or 2 just like any other job. If and when they got on a run they would play it out and run it to the end. If you had 4 top players playing on good solid fair equipment. If that was done and there was a high enough reward for running the big number it would be ran and probably quicker than anyone on this site thinks. I would do what any other team does when trying to do something great, we would have peer reviews every week or so reviewing the best runs and find out where they broke down and this continual effort with all focused on high runs I would expect 200+ runs daily would happen and 300+ runs would happen weekly with a monthor two and in less than 2 years the big outlier would occur and we would have a monster run and it would be more than 527.

I know Mosoni was the greatest player of his era, he had talent and he was paid to play pool thus he got his 100+ every day and he ran it on the table that he found. It is obvious he liked certain things his way that is why he took his own clean balls with him. His big run was an anomly it was 5 time normal daily goal. We have a group of people who can run a good high run every day and if they set their expected goal higher such as 125 or 150 I think they would achieve that and get multiples of it fairly quickly.

Current players play pool for various reasons but tell me one that is highly compensated just to play every day. I know some are sponsored but does any of them make 100k salary not that I know of so they focus on other things in life some to make money and some to occupy their time as they see no high value in focusing on pool/14.1. Too bad. I am sure we would all like to see the run if a player claims they ran a big number but I do not think they owe us video because they have nothing to gain by showing their work. Babe did not show anyone a 768 but I believe he ran it. I think Mosoni ran that 526, i think he missed to end the run, I would be highly surprised if both of these runs were ran without a single foul. I do not care what sort of video you have a brush of a ball could easily go unnoticed on video or in front of a large audience such as Mosconi had or in the room where Cranfield had his tremendous sessions.

I think if you had a mid 6 figure bonus for the high run and you had great players putting in the time on the table the runs would get higher and higher. I think the constant work of each player would elevate the others especially if they had an arena to work out of such as the place down in Florida set up by JR at Inside Pool or a super TAR studio with 4 big tracks. To try to guarantee to beat the record would take some doing some video/tech people some great players and someone to put together a plan and raise the funding.

I wish there was a reason for the best pool players to play the game. The other sports set a high bar and pay thier players. We set no bar for ours, they pay themselves as most tourneys is player money so players all throw in and a few take the cheese. I guess I will go back to lurking this pot is stuck and it is awfulyl hard to stir anything up that will make a change to the status quo.

oh, you're absolutely right. Bobby doesn't owe anyone anything. My point was that, in this day and age, there is no reason for someone claiming big numbers not to post up a video (or three), given the, ahem,"exorbitant" nature of the claims. I mean, saying you've run 100 a bunch is not anywhere near the same as saying you've run 200 a bunch. And 300?! Don't get me started.

On Mosconi's 526 -- as I alluded previously *he missed.* This from his autobiography with Stanley Cohen, "Willie's Game":

"On March 19, in Springfield, Ohio, I ran 526 balls, a record that still stands (except for Stu). I was playing a two-hundred-point match against an amateur by the name of Earl Bruney in the East High Billiard Club. He made three balls off the break, then I ran two hundred and just kept going. The run took two hours and ten minutes, which means that over that span I averaged four balls a minute. I finally missed a difficult cut shot, but by that time I was weary; it was almost a relief to have it come to an end. There were about three hundred people in the audience, and one of them was an attorney who prepared an affidavit attesting to the validity of my claim to a new record. A few days later, the BCA gave it its stamp of approval."

And you know... Mosconi did it for peanuts, even by the finiacial standards of his day. I don't know why we need to be talking about huge sized rewards nowadays.

I say: If you can do it... do it. And oh by the way, it wouldn't hurt anything to have the video camera running ;-)

Lou Figueroa

 

[sfleinen]

oh, you're absolutely right. Bobby doesn't owe anyone anything. My point was that, in this day and age, there is no reason for someone claiming big numbers not to post up a video (or three), given the, ahem, "exorbitant" nature of the claims. I mean, saying you've run 100 a bunch is not anywhere near the same as saying you've run 200 a bunch. And 300?! Don't get me started.

[...]

I say: If you can do it... do it. And oh by the way, it wouldn't hurt anything to have the video camera running ;-)

Lou Figueroa

I agree with Lou, and I think the bolded part above is key. Once a 14.1 player crosses that "great divide" into multi-century land, it's no longer a matter of taking someone on their word, but rather an issue of integrity. Integrity, in this context, means doing what you have to do to ensure you have some kind of video proof. There's no reason not to. It's more important in multi-century land than it is century or sub-century land.

I mean, I agree that no player owes us anything. But in order to take seriously a player that claims they've done multi-century runs "a bunch of times," and to have not a shred of video proof of any of those "bunch of instances" -- especially when every single one was done in the comfort of practice at home (where setting up a little camera shouldn't be a big deal) and not an actual league or competition match -- "puts an asterisk next to the claims in one's mind," to put it politically-correctly. Not that it's not believed the player is *capable* of a run of this magnitude, mind you; but rather a question of whether it was done that many times.

I personally feel guilty that I didn't have video of my 112 that I ran some time ago (and that's not even multi-century, obviously). I wasn't even going to report the run at all. But I had witnesses to it -- including the owner of the pool hall where I did it -- and was encouraged to report it, because these folks would back me up.

Anyway, this thread is taking some interesting turns. Like I said previously, this thread has it all.

-Sean

 

[sjm]

"On March 19, in Springfield, Ohio, I ran 526 balls, a record that still stands (except for Stu)."

LOL.

Actually, 526 is the legitimate record, as it was done in an exhibition with numerous witnesses. We now have, on top of our tourneys, several exhibition events, including the DCC 14.1 Challenge, the Fury 14.1 Chalenge and the BCAPL 14.1 Challenge. If the record of 526 falls at one of these exhibitions, it will have videotaped authentication as well as a sufficient contingent of witnesses and I'm sure the BCA will recognize it and the attendees will talk about it forever. A practice run of 769, beating Cranfield, would have a far lesser effect on straight pool's following, and frankly, it might not have any effect at all.

Kudos to those who give us the straight pool challenges at the Super Billiards Expo, Derby City and the BCAPL extravaganza. I think straight pool is already getting a big shot in the arm, in particular at the BCAPL, where the tables are set up in a very central place where ten thousand amateurs walk by daily. When they see the posted $20,000 bonus for beating Mosconi, many of them stop (usually briefly) to check it out. This is doing a lot to make amateurs who didn't grow up in the golden age of straight pool aware of the game. The setup allows hundreds to watch and if a really big run were to occur, I am certain a huge crowd would form and it would get a lot of people excited about straight pool.

Mosconi had his exhibition circuit, and we have our exhibition circuit at the DCC, the BCAPL, and the Super Billiards Expo, in which countless top pros pay for the privilege of giving an exhibition of straight pool excellence to a group of onlooking fans in the hope of qualifying for a single elimination tournament.

 

[MahnaMahna]

I see you attended the class on "Internet Arguing" facilitated by Fatboy.

Well I kept my word to keep it clean and since you attracted me again all I can say is very well said John you certainly have a jealous streak and also a yellow stripe down your back.Just like old times Johnny you run your mouth until its time to see me face to face.grow up.I certainly should have just lied and said I ran 404 and outdid you because I certainly should outdo the great Schmidt.I just looked at a records book and failed to see your world titles.I myself have enjoyed a great life having fun playing pool and enjoyed a very successful financial life also.What happened to the golf career John.Oh I geuss making a funny Mr.400 name has made you 30k a year and that's success enough for you.please tell us all your 14.1 titles as this is not about me anymore just your stats.I do know you are to scared to play for a title without splitting up the 1st and 2nd place in advance.You are a clearly a cheat of the game and other games.you have been caught and also warned about loading up the cue ball with silicone.Bottom line is its ok your bi sexual and cant keep a girl around long with your Little problem.All did your donation poolhall not work out either.Keep grinding out a make believe pool career as that will make you wealthy and maybe might get enough for your implant or extension.As stated I'm sorry to all of the 14.1 forum people and I promised to keep it clean until Schmidt started again.

 

[Idaho]

Show us your skills!

wrldpro, please post any of the following. Heck, start with a 100 ball run and work your way up. It is nonsense to me that you heckle John but won't play him "unless he's putting up his own money". Does that change how he is going to play? I bet you $1000 he beats you regardless. It just seems fishy that you post these numbers without anyone ever considering you a top-speed 14.1 player. I grabbed these stats off of a website. Like a said, start posting vids from the bottom stats and work your way up if you want to gain respect from anyone.

HIGH RUNS 311/268/258/257/253

311 RUN ON A 4.5 INCH POCKET DIAMOND PRO TABLE (JULY 28,2010)

25+ runs over 200 balls

MORE THAN 400 RUNS OF OVER 100 BALLS IN A ROW

 

[wrldpro]

Good Idea thanks.

wrldpro, please post any of the following. Heck, start with a 100 ball run and work your way up. It is nonsense to me that you heckle John but won't play him "unless he's putting up his own money". Does that change how he is going to play? I bet you $1000 he beats you regardless. It just seems fishy that you post these numbers without anyone ever considering you a top-speed 14.1 player. I grabbed these stats off of a website. Like a said, start posting vids from the bottom stats and work your way up if you want to gain respect from anyone.

HIGH RUNS 311/268/258/257/253

311 RUN ON A 4.5 INCH POCKET DIAMOND PRO TABLE (JULY 28,2010)

25+ runs over 200 balls

MORE THAN 400 RUNS OF OVER 100 BALLS IN A ROW

Thanks for the idea as I heard things like this about video from many even my close friends who have watched me for years play at my best.When I practice i go till I run over 100 and then try a few more innings after that and then try again the next day I practice.A large run of 200+ doesnt happen all that often as It seems its only every few months that I get a really large number together.
Why would anyone try to record themselves everytime they practice unless they are motivated by money or to try to keep sponsors happy or stay in the limelight because they havent won any 14.1 tourneys or very few so please lookup other people stats if you dont mind and when you find their 14.1 tournament wins PLEASE POST THEM FOR EVERYONE TO SEE.Im somehow ok financially,my sponsors are my friends and their happy and I do not need to be in the limelight and make a living playing pool.
I do not practice at my house as I practice in the local poolhall in which I bought and donated 2 brand new Diamond 9ft pro tables and lights and there is alot of distractions like loud music,drunk patrons and my phone constantly ringing and i rack my own each rack so momentum and concentration is at the utmost.I will try to do some video soon when I practice but for myself as I certainly have nothing to prove to anyone but it would make the people who have no desire to try to critisize someones game,knowledge and their word and have a love for the game of 14.1 to enjoy.

 

[Mr. Wilson]

In that same breath..if you practice in the same place all the time, it wouldn't be hard to record all sessions.

If someone hopes to claim extraordinary runs...........it certainly wouldn't hurt.

 

[azbfan]

lets c them play

Maybe ive missed something but bobby keeps mentioning John hasnt won 14.1 tourneys and wont bet his own.

I remember him winning the legends of 14.1 and also almost every year he has the most runs over 100 and the highest runs at derby and sbe.
Plus he has many monster runs on film like the 294 on a diamond which is the diamond record as far as im concerned because video.
Thing is he hasnt had the chance to play many 14.1 tourneys to win them.

Mr Chamberlin play John schmidt for just a few thousand but make him bet his own and record the match so if you win you can end all this discussion about your skills.

I also noticed John said he would play you 2000 point game and if you win you get 5000 but if he wins he gets no money.

Am I missing something.Anybody on earth that has run 311 on a diamond would tell him rackem up.

You also know he would have to bet his own because nobody would stake it because theres no money to be won only lost.

Mr chamberlin i hate to sound like im picking sides but he seriously called you out and i think anybody on earth would tell john post the 5000 ,turn the camera on and lets rock.

I must commend john because that is an extremely bold offer he made to a guy that says he has run 311 on a diamond etc. I must say though John Ive seen bobby play and hes pretty sporty u might not like it if Bobby says I accept John.What do I know though Im a 30 ball runner .
This is my first post so i hope to not offend you Mr Chamberlin but ive followed this thread and just had to highlight my thoughts.

 

[Dan Harriman]

John's moves

Just thought I would add that if Bobby were to play - John would try and create a diversion if he thought there might be a chance of him to lose. For a player like Schmidt it's all about feeding his ego and the popularity contest, I am sure that he loves the game however his attitude while competing in a tough contest is poor at times. His move is to argue about rules as in order to stop play, this gives him time provoke you to want to fight with his verbal slander. All the while he has no intentions of backing up his belligerent words, he then proceeds to talk about guns and or lawyers. There was a time however when people would say John if you continue to talk trash at your opponent - you will have to defend yourself physically - or else you lose all the $ - this would probably be the day that Mr. 400 retires not only from this forum but from pool also. Just a thought, ohh and by the way John you lied to the viewers of this forum yet once again. You admitted to there being some dried wax on your towel - my towel had no type of cleaning agent on it what so ever. So if you play Scmidt and he wipes the ball even with his glove that he wears I would have the cue ball inspected immediately - if you don't then the playing conditions may change without you knowing it. You will have to play well to see John's act but if you do you would then love to see him tap out, but again he has no intentions of backing up his slander. Notice how he talks about shooting someones dumbass and lawyers and all, to me this is a sure sign of war piggie that has no heart. Sorry John Schmidt but again I have seen your act, and like this thread it lack class. Your an oinker Mr. 400 and most people know it, so just continue to roll around in the slop with all your golfing buddies - don't worry they will feed your ego for ya.

 

[Swag]

That to me sounds like a cry for help. Are there any mental health professionals on the forum that can weigh in with a good referral in Mr. Harriman's home town?

 

[Rich R.]

In that same breath..if you practice in the same place all the time, it wouldn't be hard to record all sessions.

If someone hopes to claim extraordinary runs...........it certainly wouldn't hurt.

I disagree.
Since Bobby practices in a poolroom, that means he would have to carry and set up the camera equipment for each practice session. That means, in addition to his cue case, he would have to carry, at the very least, a camera and a tripod. It would also take him time to set it up. That is time that a busy man doesn't have and it would take time away from his practice sessions. All of this would also be distracting and would definitely affect his performance.
It may not be hard but, frankly, I wouldn't do it and I doubt you would either.

Honestly, I find it a little strange that some people would video every practice session and I find it even stranger that a camera is rolling when they happen to have a huge run. I haven't seen these videos but I'm wondering, has anyone examined these videos for any signs of editing? In this day, edits can be almost invisible. If there is even the slightest edit or if the camera was stopped at any time, the video is not valid.

 

[sjm]

Honestly, I find it a little strange that some people would video every practice session and I find it even stranger that a camera is rolling when they happen to have a huge run. I haven't seen these videos but I'm wondering, has anyone examined these videos for any signs of editing? In this day, edits can be almost invisible. If there is even the slightest edit or if the camera was stopped at any time, the video is not valid.

Agreed. I don't think the BCA will recognize the breaking of such a high-profile record without numerous eyewitnesses for this very reason.

 

[Swag]

I agree that video is easy to edit but then again it's pretty easy to check as well, by someone who knows what they're looking at. I wonder if there's precedent for checking video recordings for maybe inclusion in legal proceedings or some other arena where the video has to be absolutley unquestionable. I would think there would be something.
I also agree that lugging video equipment aound is a pain but I used to do it for a team I was on so everyone could see themselves play and then try to get rid of any bad habits. It wasn't that big of an issue and i did it long before the downsizing of today's video equipment.
There could be another way - many pool halls have a camera on one table that they use for streaming on the net. Maybe that's a solution since Bobby donated the tables to the place he plays. If they have tournaments I bet they would appreciate having a stream table. What do you think?

 

[Swag]

In fact that might actually be the best idea. I for one would love to be able to log on to the net and watch a player like Chamberlain make runs.
Sounds like Bobby would have no problem getting the equipment financially and it would help all of us who haven't run anything big.
How about it?