You're forgetting the most important rule of the free market. A product is only worth what you can get for it. If people will pay boat loads of money for your product, you're a fool if you don't charge just that.
What Is The Most Over Rated Cue?
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You cannot just hit a few balls. You need to play with it 30-60 days. If you are not used to their taper it takes time to get used to it. I have several and after buying about 40 of the top name cues out there over the last 5 years or so in my opinion nothing plays as good. Except one of my several Maddens. I never understood it when some guy is playing at a hall or league and another guy lets him hit 4-5 balls with his S.W. And I guess they think they will go from a B player to an A player after a couple of hits or something. How many cue builders have tried to copy or model their own cues after S.W.? There is a reason for it.
I partly agree with your 30 to 60 day trial period, but when you find the right cue with that special hit, you know it in the first few shots and it becomes more of a "love at first hit" affair. You don't want to stop playing with the cue.
Its like meeting a woman. You might learn to like her in 30 to 60 days, but if she doesn't turn you on the first few minutes you meet her, she is probably not going to turn you on in 30 to 60 days either.
Iagree with you.I am an A player and can play pretty sporty and have always felt
that within 10-15 min of hitting shots with a cue,I'm either stoked to keep shooting with it or can't wait to give it back.
Like I said before, It's the cue everybody wants or seems to have to have, but doesn't know why, or how it can make them a better player. Or better put, the one you bought because you thought it was the best but does not work for your game. The cue that works could cost 50.00, or 5,000.00.
I hit with my teammates cue the other night.
It's a local made custom. It sounded clicky or s--ty so I had to feel it for myself. He shoots pretty damn good with it.
It felt worse than a k mart $10 cue. I just played a rack and handed it back to him and thanked him for letting me try it.
I didn't want to hurt his confidence in the cue, but I had mixed feelings of whether I should tell him he should hit some other cues.
I knew he would probably not take my advice and keep playing with that cue, so I did not provide my experienced opinion.
As a teammate he would probably not shoot as good if I tarnished his confidence in his cue, but he wouldost likely play even better on the long run with a better cue. I offered to let him hit with my cue, but he declined and I didnt force the issue.
Did I do the right thing? He really needs to know his cue has some issues.
His cue has a loose ferrule or joint or something. It might be repairable but it wasn't right or solid. He would be better off with a house cue.
I'm sure there are other players on this forum that love their cue and play well with it but don't know their cue is a Piece Of S--t!
If he was not my teammate I would be happy to know he could improve his game with a better cue. Any Cue!
It's a local made custom. It sounded clicky or s--ty so I had to feel it for myself. He shoots pretty damn good with it.
It felt worse than a k mart $10 cue. I just played a rack and handed it back to him and thanked him for letting me try it.
I didn't want to hurt his confidence in the cue, but I had mixed feelings of whether I should tell him he should hit some other cues.
I knew he would probably not take my advice and keep playing with that cue, so I did not provide my experienced opinion.
As a teammate he would probably not shoot as good if I tarnished his confidence in his cue, but he wouldost likely play even better on the long run with a better cue. I offered to let him hit with my cue, but he declined and I didnt force the issue.
Did I do the right thing? He really needs to know his cue has some issues.
His cue has a loose ferrule or joint or something. It might be repairable but it wasn't right or solid. He would be better off with a house cue.
I'm sure there are other players on this forum that love their cue and play well with it but don't know their cue is a Piece Of S--t!
If he was not my teammate I would be happy to know he could improve his game with a better cue. Any Cue!
If he plays good with it...why fix it if it ain't broke? You don't have to shoot good with it. I've seen players search endlessly for the magic cue. Only to see pros run racks with broomsticks.
I'm a cue collector but I value cues for their historical significance and collectability. Anybody can play good with any cue if given enough time to adjust. If they can't adjust its more mental than anything to do with the cue.
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I'm a cue collector but I value cues for their historical significance and collectability. Anybody can play good with any cue if given enough time to adjust. If they can't adjust its more mental than anything to do with the cue.
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Let me ask this...
Is a 1971 Hemi Cuda Convertible, all original plum crazy paint, overrated? In reality, the Cuda and a Balabushka are collectibles at this point. You aren't going to drive the above Cuda at a 1/4 mile strip, out for pizza, but maybe in a parade.
The Bushka though, could still be used and played with on a basis because its fairly easy to maintain and less likely to obtain catastophic damage.
The Cuda is the apex of Chrysler collecting, from the muscle car era. Very much the same way that the Bushka is to cue collectors.
Then is a new Mustang better than a Camry, or something? Both get you from A-B, but the Mustang might have some frills the Camry don't have, or maybe it brings a little nostalga back to your good ole days? Like a Searing might over a Scon, where the Searing is the Mustang. Because you have a little extra cash you want to plunk down and it brings you back to the days when you had a Bushka. You know those days before kids, a career, your second wife, etc...
Sure a Volt gets you to the grocery store, but a new Hemi Challenger looks a hell of a lot cooler and the name means something.
JV (--- there is no substitute for chest puffing... :grin:
Is a 1971 Hemi Cuda Convertible, all original plum crazy paint, overrated? In reality, the Cuda and a Balabushka are collectibles at this point. You aren't going to drive the above Cuda at a 1/4 mile strip, out for pizza, but maybe in a parade.
The Bushka though, could still be used and played with on a basis because its fairly easy to maintain and less likely to obtain catastophic damage.
The Cuda is the apex of Chrysler collecting, from the muscle car era. Very much the same way that the Bushka is to cue collectors.
Then is a new Mustang better than a Camry, or something? Both get you from A-B, but the Mustang might have some frills the Camry don't have, or maybe it brings a little nostalga back to your good ole days? Like a Searing might over a Scon, where the Searing is the Mustang. Because you have a little extra cash you want to plunk down and it brings you back to the days when you had a Bushka. You know those days before kids, a career, your second wife, etc...
Sure a Volt gets you to the grocery store, but a new Hemi Challenger looks a hell of a lot cooler and the name means something.
JV (--- there is no substitute for chest puffing... :grin:
As far as the "clicky" sound, check the weight bolt. My cue was make a click sound when i hit for a while. Had no idea what it was until one of the guys at the pool hall I go to came over and told me and fixed it for me.
Personally, I'm loving all these car references. And hanging around car people most of my life I'm fairly used to this "my car is better than your car"/"ford vs. chevy vs dodge" argument. Nobody is ever going to win it. Unless of course all fords (cause i'm a chevy chick :wink
are set to self-destruct simultaneously on June 15th, 2036. Then I'd have to say ford is over-rated.
Same with cues. I'd argue that it's, at least partially, an emotional thing. You get attached to a cue - love it despite its faults. Like a car. Someone might hear the rattle when you turn on the A/C and think the car sucks; it's over rated. You hear it as a lovable quirk.
On another note -- what's all this talk about people selling their cues? Maybe I'm just sentimental but I don't think I could ever sell mine - even for a profit (which it would never get).
are set to self-destruct simultaneously on June 15th, 2036. Then I'd have to say ford is over-rated. Same with cues. I'd argue that it's, at least partially, an emotional thing. You get attached to a cue - love it despite its faults. Like a car. Someone might hear the rattle when you turn on the A/C and think the car sucks; it's over rated. You hear it as a lovable quirk.
On another note -- what's all this talk about people selling their cues? Maybe I'm just sentimental but I don't think I could ever sell mine - even for a profit (which it would never get).
The beauty of your post is all the custom cues and case you list in your signature.
Physician heal thyself.
The most expensive one in the list (about $975 retail) I got as a Christmas present. I would have NEVER spent that much money on a cue for myself. I certainly wasn't going to "kick it out of bed for eating crackers" :wink:. The Lee Peppers cue was bought from a fellow AZ'er for $600 because I wanted at least one 4-point veneer custom cue in my arsenal. The next most expensive cue in the signature was $400. I do not consider $400 to be a large sum of money for a custom cue. The Sterling Wave case (4x8) I paid around $137 for. The J. Flowers case was traded for (an even-up trade for a Talisman Tribal i onen which I paid around $300 new). Nothing overly-pricey in my possession, at least nothing that I paid for.
My stance is that imo, I had rather have something of greater substance if I'm dropping five to ten thousand dollars (or more) on something. A glorified, tapered dowel rod, just because it is made from exotic woods, has pretty materials inlaid into it, and has someones signature (or the name of a geographical region of America) on it, just doesn't "do it" for me unless the price is kept below the $500 mark. As far as a playing cue goes, my $400 custom will get the job done just as well as a cue costing thousands of dollars more............and a "player" is all I desire to own.
Keep in mind that I have previously stated that these are just my personal feelings and that I don't care what other people want to do with their money. I think it's cool that people that desire to possess an expensive custom playing cue or a collectible, and has the money to purchase them, do just that. Just not my "cup of tea" to do that.
Maniac (needs no healing, but maybe some heeling :grin
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How the hell can southwest are overrated...
....you pay a 2000$ for a new southwest and year later you can easily sell it for 2500$...i guess you are absolutelty misunderstood with the "underrated and overrated" idea.
well...after i read the whole 9 pages of this thread....there are only three person who understand the concept of overrated and underrated...
it's all about the law of "Demand and Supply"...and why there are a huge demand of the product...it is because the "MARKET" suit with the product....Many people like the product because it is a good product, Nice and finally the Price is adjusted higher...and vice versa
So, if many member here thinking that southwest is not a good product and sell overpriced, then it is impossible for someone can gain a profit on a secondary market. The reason that many people can gain some profit for his/her southwest is because until now The "Market" still qualified Southwest product as the Good Product.
If somehow i don't like a southwest product...it is just me who don't like Southwest...not the "Market"
it's all about the law of "Demand and Supply"...and why there are a huge demand of the product...it is because the "MARKET" suit with the product....Many people like the product because it is a good product, Nice and finally the Price is adjusted higher...and vice versa
So, if many member here thinking that southwest is not a good product and sell overpriced, then it is impossible for someone can gain a profit on a secondary market. The reason that many people can gain some profit for his/her southwest is because until now The "Market" still qualified Southwest product as the Good Product.
If somehow i don't like a southwest product...it is just me who don't like Southwest...not the "Market"
You probably think a Chevette is as fast and handle as well as a Corvette too!:grin:
IMHO it's up for the player using it and the cuemaker/company who create it. There's a player from my country using a $35 Taiwan cue (it's all decal), and win many tourney and the most expensive cue he ever win is a $11xx cue. The next tourney he entered with the Taiwan cue he used to play, and it's ended up not for sale (but some want to buy it as a memorable item). All of the cue he ever win ended up sold for 50-75% from it's original price.
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How the hell can southwest are overrated...
i guess you are absolutelty misunderstood with the "underrated and overrated" idea.
No, I think many people "understand". They are just looking at it from a different point-of-view than you.
You are looking at it from an investment standpoint. Many on here (myself included) are looking at this from a PLAYERS standpoint. If my thinking was to flip the cue a year later, then no, a Southwest is NOT an overrated cue. Make no mistake here, I am not saying Southwest makes bad cues. On the contrary, they make GREAT cues. But, if you're just wanting a cue that plays well (which is highly subjective), then a $5,000 cue from them is overrated in many peoples opinions. IOW, you can find a "playing" cue with a hit/feel close enough (if not exactly the same) to the Southwest as to save yourself thousands of dollars off the price of getting what you're looking for. Like I said many posts ago, you are mostly paying for the name. The materials, craftmanship, time spent, and finished product are no better than many other custom cuemakers cues I have seen that cost much less (keep in mind, I'm looking at this from a players standpoint).
Obviously, many people feel this way, and...it's their opinions and an opinion is neither right nor wrong.
Maniac