Trent Cowgill - THIEF THIEF THIEF

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n0risc said:
Ugh.. Not another Trent bashing thread. Him and I talked extensively about this cue over the weekend and how there was a bonding issue with the glue and the oils/sap in the wood.

It's so funny that many here hide behind a veil of ignorance to facts at hand, and their trolling swagger thrust out of their fingertips. Get a freaking life.

Good luck Trent. You make beautiful cues bro. Don't let this get ya down. Keep up your excellent work and dedication to woodworking.

Zach.
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I think the customer here is meridianblades, and this is his thread.
If Trent would of sent the fubar cue to the customer as promised, this thread would not of been started.
In your extensive conversation this weekend, you should of advised him to just ship it.
Did you talk about the last deal when he wanted to send out the cue in pieces, to be finished by another cuemaker?
That deal must of been the customers fault as well.
I respect you for sticking up for your friend, and nobody likes these threads, but it stings like a ***** when you get a dose of your own medicine.
 
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n0risc said:
Ugh.. Not another Trent bashing thread. Him and I talked extensively about this cue over the weekend and how there was a bonding issue with the glue and the oils/sap in the wood.

It's so funny that many here hide behind a veil of ignorance to facts at hand, and their trolling swagger thrust out of their fingertips. Get a freaking life.

Good luck Trent. You make beautiful cues bro. Don't let this get ya down. Keep up your excellent work and dedication to woodworking.

Zach.
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Did you see where trent told somebody to stick that cue up his ass?
 
I think the lesson in all of this is to never use someone elses materials and that way you never have to send a darn thing if you dont want to.

I think both parties have made mistakes with this issue and i'll leave it at that.
 
Russell Cues said:
First I have read all the related posts, Simply put you made a cue that was defective and you are willing to let it out of you shop ?!!! Well NOTHING leaves my shop that isnt up to speed, and if you scew the pooch, especially with someone else's materials, man up say you had a problem and build another cue.

The fact you just posted again that ,you wanted an email confirming the buyer knows its defective and will take posession, is outrageous !!

Its hard enough selling cues right now, finding the right buyer and/or getting a reasonable price, being the economy the way it is, but now you go and offer to send a defective cue ? WTF !! Seriously !!

I see why new cue makers have a harder time as deals like this that make it to the forums, some that shouldnt to be fair, cast newer makers in a bad light and people are not as trusting, sad.

Dont play with others wood unless you can finish the job and do it right !! :deadhorse::thud:
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Thank god.....thought I was alone for a minute. Russel what would you have done in this situation? I would have at least tried to fix it that day. The ten thousands or so your going to lose in diameter at the a joint can be made back with epoxy build up and or thicker clear coat. And meridian blades if I recall offered more wood to help in the build. Of course once a guy screws it up once are you really going to let him do it again?:confused:
 
Trent said:
Then I offer the cue back with simple instructions to give me a email in plain english that he's willing to except the defective cue and he can't do it.
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You are such a bloody goof that I would not send that email either, you are probably planning on destroying the cue completely prior to sending it off and then using that email as your excuse and defense. Whats the plan Trent, get a hot and wet towel, wrap it around the shafts and then put some weight on them and bend them? Going to bend the pin? You are just that classy as evidenced in this thread that I would expect no less from you at this point.

You would be getting a letter from me at this point, it would be drafted by me and my lawyer and you would be talking with me in person in court and the damages you would be sued for would FAR outweigh the price of the initial transaction. And guess what moron, any judge is going to look at these postings by you and your correspondence and they would take you to the bloody cleaners.

I hope he is done talking with you, I hope he sues your ass and puts you out on the street.
 
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I have been following this thread,,honestly,,I don't know why!

I thought it was over with the first thread. And now it looks as if it could be over.

But,,,,I have a feeling it is not!!

Let's see?????

What could possibly happen in this soap opera??



Some breaks in and steals it just before he was going to ship it??

Or,,,, It gets lost in the mail??


Let's say it does arrive,,,and it cut up or has a few hand carved words in the side of it!!!

Or ,,just maybe,,it will arrive and be just as stated,,a noisy joint.

Who knows what is going to happen?? I know when that box arrives I would be opening it with body armor on. LMAO

STAY TUNED for the next episode!!!

Back in the day,,before internet,,,,someone would just get good ass whooping.
 
Trent said:
how about i send it to you and you can jam it up your ass.:eek:

I couldnt have imagined id ever need a lawyer, so no he was not contacted prior. i took this cue on for fun and to be nice for basically the cost of materials in the cue, no profit. just becasue i like to build cues.

Im in no hurry and wont be.

larry just post your address on this thread so the world knows you gave it to me. i dont have a paypal account any longer so i cant look it up that way.
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You are a real classy guy. And you had the decency to give me negative rep????? Really???? That was mature!

Was it not you that sought legal counsel (or claimed you did) and put forth the verbiage on the attestation?
 
prewarhero said:
You are a real classy guy. And you had the decency to give me negative rep????? Really???? That was mature!

Was it not you that sought legal counsel (or claimed you did) and put forth the verbiage on the attestation?
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Stop making sense or you'll get him really fired up.
 
prewarhero said:
You are a real classy guy. And you had the decency to give me negative rep????? Really???? That was mature!

Was it not you that sought legal counsel (or claimed you did) and put forth the verbiage on the attestation?
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Trent is your typical schoolyard bully.
Red reps, physical threats, picking on people, blaming the customer, and through his demise, he continues his lame immature act.
 
Trent just handled it wrong by getting frustrated and lashing out. He was not equipped to handle this situation but I can promise you he has learned how to in the future.

Trent had a simple out here regarding the use of customer supplied materials. He could have simply said no to using the wood. Or, he could have explained that he would do his best but could not assume liability for materials not in his supply.

The whole purpose of material mark up is to make a profit and cover your risk. And I would assume that most savvy cue makers price in contingencies based on material failure, loss or damage during manufacturing.

Trent's biggest mistake was his behavior after the fact.
 
n0risc said:
Ugh.. Not another Trent bashing thread. Him and I talked extensively about this cue over the weekend and how there was a bonding issue with the glue and the oils/sap in the wood.

It's so funny that many here hide behind a veil of ignorance to facts at hand, and their trolling swagger thrust out of their fingertips. Get a freaking life.

Good luck Trent. You make beautiful cues bro. Don't let this get ya down. Keep up your excellent work and dedication to woodworking.

Zach.
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WOW............Zach tell us how this sap and oil thingy works?

I am especially interested in how it works with stabilized wood. You know, wood that has had thousands of pounds of pressure /vac applied to it, to force the proprietary monomer resin blend into the wood on a cellular level. You could also address the properties of curly koa and how the "SAP / OIL" is with that particular species.

Maybe you could also explain how several other INDUSTRIES (see my previous posts) glue it up on a daily basis with no problems. You know with stuff like titebond, epoxy, gorilla glue, CA....etc etc. Or maybe how I have personally glued it up several hundred times to many different materials (steel, copper, nickel silver, titanium, other regular wood, and on and on) without failure....
 
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Trent said:
So lemme get this right

First I offer all money back plus a free cue once I'm back up and running and ambonya burl, camphor burl, thuya burl whatever he may like to make up for a defect

I get slandered through email called a theif and a liar, saying that I have sold the cue out from under him.

Then I offer the cue back with simple instructions to give me a email in plain english that he's willing to except the defective cue and he can't do it.

All over the fact that I didn't want to put a substandard cue in the world.

So for having quality standards I get railroaded.

The only reason that I'm adimit about the email saying the whole cue is defective is because if it is in fact due to the stabilized wood not holding glue then that means all areas of which have been glued will be faulty. And after all the legal threats and bad mouthing id like to protect myself against a vendictive customer. That's it my only stipulation.

Its ready to ship has been for a while. All that's needed is that email.

And back when I said id cut the cue I should have been more clear.

You wanted ur property so my thought was fine you get your wood back and I cut out my maple, phenolic, rings, pins, bumper and so forth leaving all your wood intact.
Not little pieces as you have suggested.

Atleast when I aired this I told the truth about everything made the picture clear.

I'm still willing to do as I've said.

All I ask is that you do the one thing I ask.
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Trent,
Like it or not, you have done yourself and the rest of the countless newbie AZ cuemakers a LOT of harm because after this ordeal, I'm sure a LOT of people will think twice about dealing with relatively unknown cuemakers.
 
mia said:
Trent,
Like it or not, you have done yourself and the rest of the countless newbie AZ cuemakers a LOT of harm because after this ordeal, I'm sure a LOT of people will think twice about dealing with relatively unknown cuemakers.
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Amen brother....


I would rather wait years than get screwed so quickly.
 
Another flat out case of BS...
I, for the life of me, cannot figure out why in world you don't just send the cue, no matter the condition, back to its rightful owner...what possible logic can you come up with to define your actions...
Bizarre...
Clint <---Go ahead and red rep me too... 1,235,862,629 point(s) total -1 sure ain't gonna hurt my feelings...
 
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MidLifeCrisis said:
Another flat out case of BS...
I, for the life of me, cannot figure out why in world you don't just send the cue, not matter the condition, back to its rightful owner...what possible logic can you come up with to define your actions...
Bizarre...
Clint <---Go ahead and red rep me too... 1,235,862,629 point(s) total -1 sure ain't gonna hurt my feelings...
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+1 this..... ^^^^
 
thommy said:
I'M DAMN PROUD TO SAY I GOT MY FIRST RED REP FROM TRENT
dumbass
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ComptonCustomCues said:
wow I got my very first red rep today....from trent of course....its alright though I got 4 greens over this matter too.....wow.....red rep....what are we in preschool....I bet not one person has given him red rep lol
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Trent must of let all of the red flags fly prior to his good bye cruel world post at 9:07 am.
"good bye i wont be logging in again to post here">>>Trent Cowgill
If any red flagging occurred after 9:07, than Trent has some explaining to do.

Seriously, nobody has ever posted "good bye i wont be logging in again to post here", and actually kept their word.
It's never happened, so I will be the first.
Good bye cruel world, I will not be logging in again to post here.
 
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