Making your opponents shoot every shot or concede out of respect?
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From smoke breaks,to untimely bathroom breaks,coughing,clearing
of the throat,foot tapping,snapping of gum,calling for a ref while your
in mid-stroke,making you stop and readjust,forever racking the balls,
3ball runouts and taking 3min to shoot each shot when there all ducks
are all moves and are to throw you off intentionally or to piss you off.
By conceding a a ball might throw you off down the road when
forced to shoot it but is no way a Shark move if my opponent
is cool with it and usually thanks you for giving him the game.
To say conceding a game is a move is utter nonsense.
of the throat,foot tapping,snapping of gum,calling for a ref while your
in mid-stroke,making you stop and readjust,forever racking the balls,
3ball runouts and taking 3min to shoot each shot when there all ducks
are all moves and are to throw you off intentionally or to piss you off.
By conceding a a ball might throw you off down the road when
forced to shoot it but is no way a Shark move if my opponent
is cool with it and usually thanks you for giving him the game.
To say conceding a game is a move is utter nonsense.
Conceding can be used as a move or part of a move.This is one of the reason many tourneys make it a rule that you cannot conced a game.As far as conceding a match on the case ball or case game,if there is an audience they prob want to see the last ball go in.
Most of the time conceding a game ball early in a match is a show of respect but it can also be a move.
Most of the time conceding a game ball early in a match is a show of respect but it can also be a move.
Then stop quoting me, I am only answerig you directly when you quote me, jeeze.
Depends on who im playing, how they are playing, how I am playing and what the final shot looks like.
I do concede sometimes though based on the above criteria...
I do concede sometimes though based on the above criteria...
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If anyone watched the Empire State tournament on the stream this weekend, there were several examples on the Earl - Kiempco hot seat match on why to NEVER concede the 9/10.
They were conceding to each other most of the time. Then, one time, Warren did not concede a routine 10 ball to Earl, and Earl chowed it big time. He immediately blamed the player on the next table that was in the tournament for sharking him.
Later in the match, there were many light hearted ribbing comments by Earl and/or Kiempco to the affect of "you should give me this 10 ball".
When I was more foolish in my game, I would often concede the last ball. Today, I'll make my opponent shoot if I scratch on the 9 and they have BIH on a spot shot (anywhere on the table).
They were conceding to each other most of the time. Then, one time, Warren did not concede a routine 10 ball to Earl, and Earl chowed it big time. He immediately blamed the player on the next table that was in the tournament for sharking him.
Later in the match, there were many light hearted ribbing comments by Earl and/or Kiempco to the affect of "you should give me this 10 ball".
When I was more foolish in my game, I would often concede the last ball. Today, I'll make my opponent shoot if I scratch on the 9 and they have BIH on a spot shot (anywhere on the table).
Are you a broke road player?
No, but I've seen the best in the world dog it. Myself, and the people I play stink by comparison, and I'm going to make them shoot.
JC
Coos Cues
POS sharking moves thought up by those who consider winning to be more important than playing with dignity. Right up there with the coin jingle and the peripheral vision twitch.
JC
Edit: Why does the game need to be "sped up" anyway? Isn't playing it enjoyable?
TAP! TAP! TAP!
My thoughts exactly. I play with some people who will get right in front of your shot on the money ball as though they are going to concede and then stand there an wait for you to shoot. I say "stay the F%^* away from the table unless you are shooting or racking".
The worst is when they kind of half-concede and leave you guessing every time, so then you look up at them to try to figure out what they're doing... then YOU look like the a-hole.
It looks like weakness when you look at the guy and there's an unspoken 'are you giving me this one?' ...makes you look like you're scared to shoot it and are begging him to give it to you.
Even when I know they're not sharking on purpose, It's like... you managed to sit still for 7 shots in a row, can you hold on for just one more shot before running up to the table?
When I am gambling, if you even motion to the table in any fashion, its conceding. If its someone new, I will give them one reminder. From then on out, if they make any indication of conceding, I just rake the balls myself, grab the cueball and get ready to break the next rack. People usually catch on pretty quick.
If you didn't know the reason behind the
concession how would this be playing without dignity?Like I've stated in
a previous post that most guys will thank you for conceding to them
but your saying its up there with coin jingling.
You have the right to your opinion but I think your dead wrong on this.
The look you should be giving isn't "are you giving me this one?", it's "why are you getting up while I'm shooting?".
In response to your thread title only, there's NO simple answer, too many factors affect the situation, there's no ONE perfect answer.
JC
Coos Cues
I was describing it in the context of the poster I quoted there who admitted he likes it so he can use it for sharking. By admitting this he validates all who oppose it in any competition environment. After all we can't read the mind of the other person now can we? So why have it at all? Even in practice the money ball has a slightly different psychology to it which also requires practice. I feel those who do it to get the game moving along are probably playing pool for all the wrong reasons. Sit there, be quiet and take your medicine.
JC
You are putting words in my mouth. I do not consider it a shark. I would not do it in a tourney if there was a rule not to. If I'm playing someone that plays good and the nine ball is hanging I will likely concede. Many people in this thread are taking this way too far. Everyone I know who gambles concedes the money ball from time to time. In no way is it sharking. It may become a mind game later on in the set but mind game and sharking are two different things. If your mind is so fragile that this impacts your ability to play well then you should reconsider playing pool competitievely. Gambling is different. This is my opinion. You opinion may differ. You act like an internet troll most of the time. You got banned from a stream by me and ever since you have been trolling me. Grow up.
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JC
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I did not put words in your mouth.
You said:
"I like concessions. They speed up the game and can also be used in a strategic way. You concede several shots in a row. Even concede a shot that is not a straight up gimme. Then when the other player is expecting it you make them shoot it. They may dog it because they were expecting you to give it to them.
Also, conceding certain shots early in a match may keep the other player from getting in stroke."
This is the description of a shark move and a sharking mentality. I cannot think of how else to describe it.
JC
I don't consider it a shark. A shark by MY definition is a distraction in the act of shooting. Agree to disagree is the best I can do with you.
BTW, why did you only pick one point to pick apart?
And why would you mind if someone gives you a game WHILE GAMBLING for money?
I do not consider it a shark. I would not do it in a tourney if there was a rule not to. If I'm playing someone that plays good and the nine ball is hanging I will likely concede. Many people in this thread are taking this way too far. Everyone I know who gambles concedes the money ball from time to time. In no way is it sharking. It may become a mind game later on in the set but mind game and sharking are two different things. If your mind is so fragile that this impacts your ability to play well then you should reconsider playing pool competitievely. Gambling is different. This is my opinion. You opinion may differ. You act like an internet troll most of the time.
BTW, why did you only pick one point to pick apart?
And why would you mind if someone gives you a game WHILE GAMBLING for money?
I do not consider it a shark. I would not do it in a tourney if there was a rule not to. If I'm playing someone that plays good and the nine ball is hanging I will likely concede. Many people in this thread are taking this way too far. Everyone I know who gambles concedes the money ball from time to time. In no way is it sharking. It may become a mind game later on in the set but mind game and sharking are two different things. If your mind is so fragile that this impacts your ability to play well then you should reconsider playing pool competitievely. Gambling is different. This is my opinion. You opinion may differ. You act like an internet troll most of the time.
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