WRISTS - The "hidden power catalyst" of a great stroke or "just along for the ride"?

[Scott Lee]

Yeah...and I'm Elvis. You only come out and say, "this is just one way to do it" after several of us, who know better, call you out for making BS comments...like no pro players shoot with a fluid wrist movement. Lots of them do...lots of great amateurs too.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

I'm not charging or seeking anything from my efforts. 'The Game is the Teacher'

 

[ENGLISH!]

Mr. Water Lock,

Thanks.

That's interesting. You natuarlly gravitated to it, but you do it a bit differently than I believe CJ relayed. And that's quite okay, whatever is working for you. Simple or a bit more complicated, you can handle it.

Thanks again Sir.

 

[Scott Lee]

Sloppy Pockets...I think you're probably just seeing something that's not there. Efren, and several of the Pinoy players, are known to play with quite loose grips. When it's all said and done, it's about letting the cue do the work...instead of forcing it...no matter how somebody accomplishes that.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Scott, I have seen your loose grip in a short video clip with Randy G. Very smooth and fluid looking, almost like a glider on a child's swing set.

Now, I don't want to sound critical, but as smooth as it looks, I personally have not seen any upper tier players using that motion during delivery. The pinoys all seem to have that loose grip during warmup strokes, but they appear to me to firm up during the final delivery. Am I missing something, or seeing something that's not there?

 

[Mikjary]

I believe in using the wrist to create a slot/track/guide to my cue so it NEVER goes off line.

CJ,

I assume cocking your wrist and locking your wrist are the same thing? Will each player do it differently?

When I moved to a locked wrist about 6 months ago, the cue moved away from my palm and more out into my fingers. I cocked my wrist forward and moved it up on the stroke instead of down as you say you do.

Please let me know between answering the barrage of negative commentary and all the "LOLs" directed at you. :duck: :grin: LOL

Best,
Mike

 

[Neil]

I have said over and over that everyone's style is different and mine is unusual, but people still ask me to explain how I do things and why. I believe in using the wrist to create a slot/track/guide to my cue so it NEVER goes off line. It helped make me an almost unbeatable player in my gambling days and I feel it's time to share these techniques publically.
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The part in red-
Aah! NOW you are getting at the crux of the matter. Now, THAT makes sense.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

...trying to explain what happens with that "little forward flick motion" gets some people on here "feeling funny inside".

Maybe that's because so far you've been describing a backward flip. We're "feeling funny" because you're flip-flopping on the flip.

pj
chgo

 

[ENGLISH!]

I have said over and over that everyone's style is different and mine is unusual, but people still ask me to explain how I do things and why. I believe in using the wrist to create a slot/track/guide to my cue so it NEVER goes off line. It helped make me an almost unbeatable player in my gambling days and I feel it's time to share these techniques publically.

This routine of you trying to attack me personally is just stange indeed. Do I really make you feel "funny inside" or what's your problem with me posting on here? I have as much right as you do to share my experience, guidance and suggestions.

My way is not the "gospel (the Good News), as you put it and I've never represented that it is. I'm just sharing my experiences and techniques and if someone likes or benifits from them that makes it worthwhile. I'm not charging or seeking anything from my efforts. 'The Game is the
Teacher'

CJ,

Earlier today you made mention of 'pendulum strokes' in post#30 on page two(2). It was not in an 'illiuminating complimentary light' & you did not say penance. Shame on you.:wink:

Maybe this will get a little of 'the heat' off of you, but I doubt it. Not unless you bow down & say penance. Remember your techniques are not for 'most' people & hence have no place here on AZB.:wink:

'Most' of us do not want to hear what a Champion or even a Pro has to say.:wink: 'We' only want to hear what's 'best for most'.

All kidding aside, don't let the 'Vigilante Committee' wear you down. I believe many of the silent majority are waiting for as much of your insightful 'information' as we can get. Even if it may not be applicable to 'most' of us. All of us do not want to be 'protected' by the Vigilante Committee. Some of us can still make decisions for ourselves.

Best Regards,

 

[CJ Wiley]

measure up and take one Precise stroke

CJ,

I assume cocking your wrist and locking your wrist are the same thing? Will each player do it differently?

When I moved to a locked wrist about 6 months ago, the cue moved away from my palm and more out into my fingers. I cocked my wrist forward and moved it up on the stroke instead of down as you say you do.

Please let me know between answering the barrage of negative commentary and all the "LOLs" directed at you. :duck: :grin: LOL

Best,
Mike

Yes, I "cock and lock" my wrist. When this is done correctly you can feel the stored up energy waiting to be released. This, unlike the conventional method will make your hand feel powerfully connected to the cue.

Also I make an effort to only take one or two practice strokes and when you are using the technique you will understand why.

I think of it more like a pro basketball player shooting a free throw. You don't see them take "practice stokes", you just see them "measure up to the shot", feeling the ball and connecting the ball to the rim. This is the same idea with the pool shot, measure up and take one Precise stroke. 'The Game is the Teacher'

 

[Tony_in_MD]

Rick, if CJ came to a sudden stop your head would go half way up his arse.

Feel free to put me on your ignore list.

I will enjoy the company.

CJ,

Earlier today you made mention of 'pendulum strokes' in post#30 on page two(2). It was not in an 'illiuminating complimentary light' & you did not say penance. Shame on you.:wink:

Maybe this will get a little of 'the heat' off of you, but I doubt it. Not unless you bow down & say penance. Remember your techniques are not for 'most' people & hence have no place here on AZB.:wink:

'Most' of us do not want to hear what a Champion of even a Pro has to say.:wink: 'We' only want to hear what's 'best for most'.

All kidding aside, don't let the 'Vigilante Committee' wear you down. I believe many of the silent majority are waiting for as much of your insightful 'information' as we can get. Even if it may not be applicable to 'most' of us. All of us do not want to be 'protected' by the Vigilante Committee. Some of us can still make decisions for ourselves.

Best Regards,

 

[Neil]

CJ,

Earlier today you made mention of 'pendulum strokes' in post#30 on page two(2). It was not in an 'illiuminating complimentary light' & you did not say penance. Shame on you.:wink:

Maybe this will get a little of 'the heat' off of you, but I doubt it. Not unless you bow down & say penance. Remember your techniques are not for 'most' people & hence have no place here on AZB.:wink:

'Most' of us do not want to hear what a Champion of even a Pro has to say.:wink: 'We' only want to hear what's 'best for most'.

All kidding aside, don't let the 'Vigilante Committee' wear you down. I believe many of the silent majority are waiting for as much of your insightful 'information' as we can get. Even if it may not be applicable to 'most' of us. All of us do not want to be 'protected' by the Vigilante Committee. Some of us can still make decisions for ourselves.

Best Regards,

Nah, you aren't here to stir up animosity, are you??

 

[CJ Wiley]

Compared to the nightclub business this is like a "love bomb".

CJ,

Earlier today you made mention of 'pendulum strokes' in post#30 on page two(2). It was not in an 'illiuminating complimentary light' & you did not say penance. Shame on you.:wink:

Maybe this will get a little of 'the heat' off of you, but I doubt it. Not unless you bow down & say penance. Remember your techniques are not for 'most' people & hence have no place here on AZB.:wink:

'Most' of us do not want to hear what a Champion of even a Pro has to say.:wink: 'We' only want to hear what's 'best for most'.

All kidding aside, don't let the 'Vigilante Committee' wear you down. I believe many of the silent majority are waiting for as much of your insightful 'information' as we can get. Even if it may not be applicable to 'most' of us. All of us do not want to be 'protected' by the Vigilante Committee. Some of us can still make decisions for ourselves.

Best Regards,

Patience and Tolerance. No one needs to protect anyone from anything on here do they? Compared to the nightclub business this is like a "love bomb". :groucho: 'The Game is the Teacher'

 

[Sloppy Pockets]

Sloppy Pockets...I think you're probably just seeing something that's not there. Efren, and several of the Pinoy players, are known to play with quite loose grips. When it's all said and done, it's about letting the cue do the work...instead of forcing it...no matter how somebody accomplishes that.

My apologies. I just found that video again and it is not you that I am remembering. It's the one where you demonstrate shot speed. Your stroke looks loose and relaxed but still very much in control of the cue. In the video I am thinking of, there was a long closeup view of the cue hand and the cue was just waggling back and forth inside the grip. Looked pretty but weak IMHO, although it probably worked OK.

Again, sorry for confusing you with someone else.

 

[CJ Wiley]

Your's goes up (and forward) like your hitting yourself in the head with a hammer.

Maybe that's because so far you've been describing a backward flip. We're "feeling funny" because you're flip-flopping on the flip.

pj
chgo

On the contrary, mine goes down (and forward) like I'm driving a nail with a hammer. Your's goes up (and forward) like your hitting yourself in the head with a hammer. You do it your way, I'll do it mine, no harm, no foul. 'The Game is the Teacher'

 

[Slasher]

Tacoma Whitey played with a slip stroke, that was the first one I ever seen, he could move the ball effortless, and barely touch the cue ball. He must have used his wrist also.

The stroke style is irrelevant, he let the cue do the work and struck the CB accurately. Keeping the tension out of the fingers/wrist/forearm allow for good cue speed and accurate striking of the CB.

 

[ENGLISH!]

Rick, if CJ came to a sudden stop your head would go half way up his arse.

Feel free to put me on your ignore list.

I will enjoy the company.

Ask & ye shall receive.

Same goes for you if Scott Lee & others stop short. Thought you were a bit different.

Sorry, I guess I'll have the whole 'click' on Ignore fairly soon.

The whole group is so mature. Slurs & name calling seem to be a requisite.

 

[Tony_in_MD]

Keep posting to create dissension, and you will have the whole forum on ignore.

Slurs and name-calling, that is a hoot, do you READ what you WRITE?

JMHO

Ask & ye shall receive.

Same goes for you if Scott Lee & others stop short. Thought you were a bit different.

Sorry, I guess I'll have the whole 'click' on Ignore fairly soon.

 

[ENGLISH!]

Keep posting to create dissension, and you will have the whole forum on ignore.

Slurs and name-calling, that is a hoot, do you READ what you WRITE?

JMHO

Me posting to 'create' dissention. 'Nice' untrue 'suggestion'.

Have you read to what I have merely responded.

This is exactly why I have utilized the ignore feature.

It's difficult to turn the other cheek, but you've got mine.

Go ahead.

It's amazing how the 'click' always comes to one anothers defense so as to divert attention.

But if anyone else tries to take up for or encourage someone outside of the 'click' it is to insight dissention.

It's a good tactic. Hypocrisy, but a 'good' tactic.

 

[Sloppy Pockets]

Yes, I "cock and lock" my wrist. When this is done correctly you can feel the stored up energy waiting to be released. This, unlike the conventional method will make your hand feel powerfully connected to the cue.

Also I make an effort to only take one or two practice strokes and when you are using the technique you will understand why.

I think of it more like a pro basketball player shooting a free throw. You don't see them take "practice stokes", you just see them "measure up to the shot", feeling the ball and connecting the ball to the rim. This is the same idea with the pool shot, measure up and take one Precise stroke. 'The Game is the Teacher'

CJ, many moons ago I studied Kali with a guy who learned from Leo Gaje in the Phillipines. Very serious stuff. The way I was taught to deliver a straight stick thrust to the body used an almost identical wrist action as the one you are describing. The movement downward is what I would call an "internal" movement. Very subtle as you say, and would not easily be detected on video. It is felt more than anything, and delivers much better penetration into the target.

Never thought of using it in a pool stroke, but I already know the motion so I might as well give it a go. I'm very open minded and willing to try anything to see what it's about. I've already been playing with a few of your other concepts and they seem to be helping me. If someone think that means I have my head where the sun don't shine on you, I really don't think that person has much to offer me.

Call me a "mindless sycophant" or a "macadamia clasper", I think I just prefer not to toss the baby out with the bathwater.

 

[dr9ball]

Me posting to 'create' dissention. 'Nice' untrue 'suggestion'.

Have you read to what I have merely responded.

This is exactly why I have utilized the ignore feature.

It's difficult to turn the other cheek, but you've got mine.

Go ahead.

It's amazing how the 'click' always comes to one anothers defense so as to divert attention.

But if anyone else tries to take up for or encourage someone outside of the 'click' it is to insight dissention.

It's a good tactic. Hypocrisy, but a 'good' tactic.

Personally, I think your and Thaiger's posts are some of the most entertaining that I've seen in recent times.

 

[Mikjary]

CJ, many moons ago I studied Kali with a guy who learned from Leo Gaje in the Phillipines. Very serious stuff. The way I was taught to deliver a straight stick thrust to the body used an almost identical wrist action as the one you are describing. The movement downward is what I would call an "internal" movement. Very subtle as you say, and would not easily be detected on video. It is felt more than anything, and delivers much better penetration into the target.

Never thought of using it in a pool stroke, but I already know the motion so I might as well give it a go. I'm very open minded and willing to try anything to see what it's about. I've already been playing with a few of your other concepts and they seem to be helping me. If someone think that means I have my head where the sun don't shine on you, I really don't think that person has much to offer me.

Call me a "mindless sycophant" or a "macadamia clasper", I think I just prefer not to toss the baby out with the bathwater.

I like that! LOL

Best,
Mike