Bonus Ball--That Dog Won't Hunt

IMO, BB is DOA.

They are throwing cash at the project, true, but from what I've read here, they are doing so without a true understanding of the game and its players. (Other than: if you pay them, they will come.). I think one of the prime mistakes they are making is trying to force feed the game (BB) from the top down,when they should have spent some of their dough building interest and support for the game at the grass roots. A secondary issue is having all the teams and matches play in Las Vegas and not generating support in the cities these guys are supposed to be representing.

Also, presenting their case here amongst the hardcore, with substantial chip on shoulder, is doing their organization and product incalculable harm in terms of lost goodwill in the industry.

Some key BB representatives don't seem to understand any of that.

Lou Figueroa
 
That dog won't hunt????? Really. What makes you think your so much smarter than the people who spent the big bucks to get this offf the ground.
It's like an amatuer sitting on the sidelines telling the pros what they are doing wrong.
Pathetic
 
That dog won't hunt????? Really. What makes you think your so much smarter than the people who spent the big bucks to get this offf the ground.
It's like an amatuer sitting on the sidelines telling the pros what they are doing wrong.
Pathetic
Where is the money going to come from to pay for expenses?
 
Deep pockets are not bottomless and even the richest of people can go broke with a poor business model. Search Curt Schilling and 38 Studios to see how hard the mighty can fall.
 
I agree with you on one thing here...

IMO, BB is DOA.

They are throwing cash at the project, true, but from what I've read here, they are doing so without a true understanding of the game and its players. (Other than: if you pay them, they will come.). I think one of the prime mistakes they are making is trying to force feed the game (BB) from the top down,when they should have spent some of their dough building interest and support for the game at the grass roots. A secondary issue is having all the teams and matches play in Las Vegas and not generating support in the cities these guys are supposed to be representing.

Also, presenting their case here amongst the hardcore, with substantial chip on shoulder, is doing their organization and product incalculable harm in terms of lost goodwill in the industry.

Some key BB representatives don't seem to understand any of that.

Lou Figueroa

They kind of negate the advantage they create by having city based named teams by NOT having the matches in the cities they are from.

I had actually considered something similar only using familiar games. I had discussed it briefly with Mark Griffin a couple of years ago and was considering doing a pilot program in San Diego and LA.

Tv is only necessary to become as large as some other professional sports, but like those sports, tv is impossible without being able to get butts in seats first.

Football and Baseball were huge butts in seats sports long before they were tv sports.

To get mainstream interest, having team based city based groupings is necessary. It gives you a marketing base of "oh that's my team, I gotta route for them".

I can't imagine BB having the means to build arenas in every city they are doing this though. I personally would've considered booking a venue in each city and doing it that way with traditional local radio and print advertising to get butts in seats, once that is done and interest can be shown, the tv side will come banging on your door, not the other way around.

I can see, or at least I could've seen a reason for doing it in Vegas as opposed to other places, since people from all over go to Vegas. With advertising marketed to vacationers from the various cities where the teams are based, it could very well end up being possible to generate interest in vacationers to come to the show and could eventually be built up with arenas in each of the cities and even more cities if it gets as big as I'm sure the founders are hoping.

The game CAN be played without their ballset using solids for purple and stripes for orange so the ball set thing isn't necessary for the game to catch on.

In fact, I don't own a ball set and played some teaching the rules to another player on Friday night.

It's a great game in my opinion and a game to separate the pros from the amatuers may be a great method of generating interest in pool.

We don't know the marketing plan, or the business plan of BB founders, but it's hard to believe that they would've been able to get the investment capital that they appear to have without a half way decent foundation.

I have to kind of laugh at the people "in the know" of the billiard's industry saying that it isn't viable because if they knew what was viable, pool wouldn't be in the state that it's in today...

It may have been necessary for pool to degenerate to the state that it's in for something like this to be able to take hold.

I'll tell you another thing about bonus ball that other games do not have from what I've seen from the pros that I've watched play it.

The illusion of amatuers holding their own against pros (One of the reasons that high school ballers and golf players enjoy watching the sport) is more available in this game than other games.

Especially considering that most sports have highlighted mistakes (think golf) while pool has historically edited them out (think WPBA on ESPN).

Some things to chew on when considering the viability of the success of BB.

Jaden
 
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IMO, BB is DOA.

They are throwing cash at the project, true, but from what I've read here, they are doing so without a true understanding of the game and its players. (Other than: if you pay them, they will come.). I think one of the prime mistakes they are making is trying to force feed the game (BB) from the top down,when they should have spent some of their dough building interest and support for the game at the grass roots. A secondary issue is having all the teams and matches play in Las Vegas and not generating support in the cities these guys are supposed to be representing.

Also, presenting their case here amongst the hardcore, with substantial chip on shoulder, is doing their organization and product incalculable harm in terms of lost goodwill in the industry.

Some key BB representatives don't seem to understand any of that.

Lou Figueroa

I was on the fence about Bonus Ball. I had kind of a wait-and-see attitude, even though I heard rumors from various sources about Bonus Ball going back more than a year ago. I usually give people the benefit of the doubt, but after reading some of the posts today, I just jumped off the fence. :frown:

Like the ABP, Bonus Ball could use a professional Public Affairs or PR person/entity to handle their public discourse -- not only here on this forum but elsewhere -- with press releases to various pool media sources.

I would respectfully submit that they should stay off the forums. Some folks believe that AzBilliards is the only avenue to reach pool enthusiasts, but there's better, more constructive ways to deal with advertising and promotion than this forum.

The whole thing is starting to rub me the wrong way, and I am a member of the pool public; thus, Bonus Ball's target audience.

Good luck Bonus Ball. They're really, really going to need it.
 
I have to kind of laugh at the people "in the know" of the billiard's industry saying that it isn't viable because if they knew what was viable, pool wouldn't be in the state that it's in today...


Jaden

Ever consider its in the state its in now because watching ranks up there with going to sweat the big horseshoe throwing match ?

You dont have to be "in the know" to figure out you have to bring in more than you spend.

I have to kind of laugh at people who have never done anything in the industry who laugh at people who have.
 
IMO, BB is DOA.

They are throwing cash at the project, true, but from what I've read here, they are doing so without a true understanding of the game and its players. (Other than: if you pay them, they will come.). I think one of the prime mistakes they are making is trying to force feed the game (BB) from the top down,when they should have spent some of their dough building interest and support for the game at the grass roots. A secondary issue is having all the teams and matches play in Las Vegas and not generating support in the cities these guys are supposed to be representing.

Also, presenting their case here amongst the hardcore, with substantial chip on shoulder, is doing their organization and product incalculable harm in terms of lost goodwill in the industry.

Some key BB representatives don't seem to understand any of that.

Lou Figueroa

All very valid points, although the one that had not registered with me before is the one above highlighted in red. That is a huge negative factor, the city teams do not even compete in the cities that they supposedly represent.

Why? Who? How? can these "teams" be expected to garner any local support without being the least bit local?

WOW! Huge mistake, IMO.

J
 
I wish

someone would explain clearly how the game is played. Right offhand, it seems too complicated to draw the general public's interest. It may interest the hardcore good player's interest, but not the casual league players, and certainly not someone not familiar with Pool.
 
Really???

Ever consider its in the state its in now because watching ranks up there with going to sweat the big horseshoe throwing match ?

You dont have to be "in the know" to figure out you have to bring in more than you spend.

I have to kind of laugh at people who have never done anything in the industry who laugh at people who have.

People could have said the same thing about hitting a ball with a stick, or running with a ball and trying to knock the guy with the ball down.

The truth of that could be said about anything that has been successfully marketed in the past.

How do you then explain the success of televised snooker???

Cause everyone KNOWS that snooker is SO much more exciting than pool. lol.

I was trying to be considerate but your personally insulting posts are getting old.

Jaden
 
Exactly right, John, and I agree. Enjoy the ride while it's moving forward.

I'm still wondering, though, why they haven't paid Canadian Jim Wych for services rendered if they've got such deep pockets. To me, that stinks to high heaven.

No one is twisting your words here. The way you wrote this, does indeed sound as fact. I also read what you wrote in the other thread about this being "rumored". Then, I read it here on this thread, and my first thought was, "wow, I guess that its fact now, since she didn't say rumored". This was before I even read Roger's response to you.
 
No one is twisting your words here. The way you wrote this, does indeed sound as fact. I also read what you wrote in the other thread about this being "rumored". Then, I read it here on this thread, and my first thought was, "wow, I guess that its fact now, since she didn't say rumored". This was before I even read Roger's response to you.

You need to read faster then.
 
Really???

Ever consider its in the state its in now because watching ranks up there with going to sweat the big horseshoe throwing match ?

You dont have to be "in the know" to figure out you have to bring in more than you spend.

I have to kind of laugh at people who have never done anything in the industry who laugh at people who have.

People could have said the same thing about hitting a ball with a stick, or running with a ball and trying to knock the guy with the ball down.

The truth of that could be said about anything that has been successfully marketed in the past.

How do you then explain the success of televised snooker???

Cause everyone KNOWS that snooker is SO much more exciting than pool. lol.

I was trying to be considerate but your personally insulting posts are getting old.

Jaden

p.s. I've streamed tournaments including an international 3 cushion tourney for free because I love the game and want to see it succeed....
 
No one is twisting your words here. The way you wrote this, does indeed sound as fact. I also read what you wrote in the other thread about this being "rumored". Then, I read it here on this thread, and my first thought was, "wow, I guess that its fact now, since she didn't say rumored". This was before I even read Roger's response to you.

Why not contact Jim Wych and ask him, if you're really so very concerned about the truth: http://www.jimwych.com/contact.html :smile:
 
Where is the money going to come from to pay for expenses?

I wouldn't know the answer to that question. I am also pretty sure they have a plan and investors that are sure not to be that near sighted. It just strikes me as rude to say the least for people to say sh1t like "that dog won't hunt" . People have a habit of putting garbage like that on the forums just because they don't know the answer, it's not for them to know. All people like that have invested are their 02 cents and it's not even worth 02 cent. The world is full of knockers.
 
Honestly....

These threads are starting to feel like IPT threads...


Bashers claiming they are hopeful all the time bashing the hell out of it, and proponents first trying to say let's wait and see and getting ever more defensive as the bashers bash harder and harder...

It's kinda funny to me.

and yes I can laugh at an industry with such a huge base that is so miserably unsuccessful, even as it makes me incredibly sad to do so.

Jaden
 
Why not contact Jim Wych and ask him, if you're really so very concerned about the truth: http://www.jimwych.com/contact.html :smile:

Sorry, you are not getting it. Before you lynch me, know I'm not one of the people who you claim constantly attack you, and I have no vested interest in the success or failure of BB.

Its simply the way you wrote the first message reads like its fact. When challenged by Roger (whom I also have no affiliation with), you take offense to his challenge, and question his reading comprehension. Now, you do the same to me.

That's all, hope you have a nice day.
 
I wouldn't know the answer to that question. I am also pretty sure they have a plan and investors that are sure not to be that near sighted. It just strikes me as rude to say the least for people to say sh1t like "that dog won't hunt" . People have a habit of putting garbage like that on the forums just because they don't know the answer, it's not for them to know. All people like that have invested are their 02 cents and it's not even worth 02 cent. The world is full of knockers.

I don't think pool is a hard to pitch to investors. There are millions that play, pool tables in every bar, untapped market.......Etc etc. Still doesn't make it exciting to watch.
Most people on this thread arent knocking anything. People are just curious how this is gonna work and who will be affected by it.
 
Sorry, you are not getting it. Before you lynch me, know I'm not one of the people who you claim constantly attack you, and I have no vested interest in the success or failure of BB.

Its simply the way you wrote the first message reads like its fact. When challenged by Roger (whom I also have no affiliation with), you take offense to his challenge, and question his reading comprehension. Now, you do the same to me.

That's all, hope you have a nice day.

Why do you say I think people constantly attack me and that I take offense at Roger's words? This sounds more like my posts in your opinion have projected this. I never challenged anyone's reading comprehension, and now I am interpreting your post to be confrontational, though I'm not sure why.

I have no vested interest in the success or failure of BB, either.

I wish Bonus Ball to be the Cadillac Deville of pool. Did you know, iusedtoberich, that the Cadillac Deville is spelled several different ways, depending on what year the Cadillac was?

The de Ville was originally a trim level and later a model of General Motors' Cadillac marque. The first car to bear the name was the 1949 Coupe de Ville, a prestige trim level of the Series 62 luxury coupe.

The last model to be formally known as a De Ville was the 2005 Cadillac DeVille, a full-size sedan, the largest car in the Cadillac model range at the time.

The next year, the DeVille was officially renamed DTS (an abbreviation standing for DeVille Touring Sedan, itself a trim level on earlier models).

I always liked the way a Cadillac drove. :cool:
 
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