Given my position? so what does that mean Jesters? and who are you? or do you hide behind your screen name sir?
Are The Bonus Ball Players Under Contract?
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Given my position? so what does that mean Jesters? and who are you? or do you hide behind your screen name sir?
Yeah but Dora, people are manipulable idiots...
The only thing that has stopped pool from being successful is not having the right marketing.
Maybe in the past, the skill level, the type of game and nature of the need for ultimate focus has made marketing pool to the masses extremely difficult.
Creating a team based, city based format is necessary IMO to create a marketing gimmick to attract the masses to it.
As I said, people are manipulable idiots, give them something to cling to and use marketing to convince them they want to and you'll have them. That's true in ANY market.
Jaden
The only thing that has stopped pool from being successful is not having the right marketing.
Maybe in the past, the skill level, the type of game and nature of the need for ultimate focus has made marketing pool to the masses extremely difficult.
Creating a team based, city based format is necessary IMO to create a marketing gimmick to attract the masses to it.
As I said, people are manipulable idiots, give them something to cling to and use marketing to convince them they want to and you'll have them. That's true in ANY market.
Jaden
I find it interesting that the proponents of Bonus Ball keep saying in one way or another that it is the best thing ever and everything else pool related is stupid, antiquated, and just plain bad. On the other hand, the fans and players of cue sports all want to see Bonus Ball do well.
Anger only seems to be flowing from one direction.
Anger only seems to be flowing from one direction.
If I were you, working with Bonus Ball, I'd be keeping a low profile on this forum about anything controversial. Because of your recent experience at the U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship, you're already touted as one of the "Boxing Brits." I'm not sure I'd like a Boxing Brit refereeing my match. Referees, like umpires and even judges in legal proceedings, should remain neutral at all times, not instigating.
Why is that Jam?
I was merely making a lighthearted comment. Sure they can see the funny side to that.
Also at the US open i defended myself from someone attacking me, i done ju jitsu and judo, not boxing. Darren was the boxing champ. He is the boxing Brit, they call me the hooligan for some reason i don't know why.
And better to have a ref who has control and is respected, and keeps people in check.
So if its so easy to get people to buy something why dont you take the fortune you made in marketing and put it to use for your idea to to make pool HUGE ?
Some of the shit that gets posted here makes me shake my head.
Pools been around for a long time and many people have tried to get the " masses" interested.
It's so simple. You need a product to sell to people and you need people to sell a product to. The product is watching pool. It's just not interesting to the masses.
Only thing i have heard about revenue that makes any sense is through TV. Correct me if I'm wrong but the IPT had big ties to some network and they didn't make it.
IMO all these avenues have been tried. I just can't see where the money is gonna come from.
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Why is that Jam?
I was merely making a lighthearted comment. Sure they can see the funny side to that.
Also at the US open i defended myself from someone attacking me, i done ju jitsu and judo, not boxing. Darren was the boxing champ. He is the boxing Brit, they call me the hooligan for some reason i don't know why.
And better to have a ref who has control and is respected, and keeps people in check.
Okay, I see your point, but you should really sit on the sidelines and let this all transpire on the forum.
In case you haven't noticed (though I am sure you have), the pool public is a fickle group. They can be swayed quite easily with money.
If Bonus Ball needs a proofreader or an editor, my support can be purchased: Go Bonus Ball, all the way!
If those who work for and with Bonus Ball continue to post on this forum creating a division between the pool public and Bonus Ball, well, they're digging their own grave. I would not like to see that happen.
Jaden you still need a product that people want. Marketing can only go so far.
Justin don't take what I said personally...
It wasn't a personal attack on you...
I said it's stupid to say it is impossible. I would love to have the means to try my pilot and to find out whether it is viable.
I don't have an extra 50g's laying around to do so and I haven't had the time or the inclination to put together a business and marketing plan to try and get investors involved.
I think it's great that someone else is going to try something similar and I think it may be possible to make it successful.
I DON'T know if trying to do it with a new game is the best idea, but I haven't been able to look through their business plan to say whether it is viable or not.
I also said that with the pool games available it has been difficult if not impossible to generate general interest in watching billiards, but for the record, your attempts are probably the closest thing to it that has been done this far and I have hopes for Mark Griffin's ideas and what he has been working on.
I find the lack of organization and communication by the BB people disheartening but I only wish the best for them because I want to see pool be successful.
Jaden
It wasn't a personal attack on you...
I said it's stupid to say it is impossible. I would love to have the means to try my pilot and to find out whether it is viable.
I don't have an extra 50g's laying around to do so and I haven't had the time or the inclination to put together a business and marketing plan to try and get investors involved.
I think it's great that someone else is going to try something similar and I think it may be possible to make it successful.
I DON'T know if trying to do it with a new game is the best idea, but I haven't been able to look through their business plan to say whether it is viable or not.
I also said that with the pool games available it has been difficult if not impossible to generate general interest in watching billiards, but for the record, your attempts are probably the closest thing to it that has been done this far and I have hopes for Mark Griffin's ideas and what he has been working on.
I find the lack of organization and communication by the BB people disheartening but I only wish the best for them because I want to see pool be successful.
Jaden
I agree Jam, but i also feel like the guys are doing a great job in what they are doing, and deserved to be given a break before the league has even started. I mean people are on there back before they have hit a ball, so you can't blame them in defending themselves, i should know i had to defend myself recently
and got bad press for that. I'm saying that being neutral and not as part of the league, i'm not taking sides. This league is good for pool and everyone involved in the game, and should be given support by everyone, not people knocking it before it's started. Give them a break, and should if fail, then knock away. Until then i say support them or say nothing.
Given your position after the fight at the Open. Your reputation has been tarnished and so has Appleton's. The difference is, he is a World Champion and you are not. He was picked to play on a team with Bonus Ball and you were not. He can get away with more than you can. OH not a Sir I'm a Ms thank you.
I agree Jam, but i also feel like the guys are doing a great job in what they are doing, and deserved to be given a break before the league has even started. I mean people are on there back before they have hit a ball, so you can't blame them in defending themselves, i should know i had to defend myself recently
I'm saying that being neutral and not as part of the league, i'm not taking sides. This league is good for pool and everyone involved in the game, and should be given support by everyone, not people knocking it before it's started. Give them a break, and should if fail, then knock away. Until then i say support them or say nothing.
Everyone wants to see these guys do good and the players make some cash. Lee where is the money going to come from to pay the pros?
I agree Jam, but i also feel like the guys are doing a great job in what they are doing, and deserved to be given a break before the league has even started. I mean people are on there back before they have hit a ball, so you can't blame them in defending themselves, i should know i had to defend myself recently
I'm saying that being neutral and not as part of the league, i'm not taking sides. This league is good for pool and everyone involved in the game, and should be given support by everyone, not people knocking it before it's started. Give them a break, and should if fail, then knock away. Until then i say support them or say nothing.
Lee, I'm sure you know that members of this forum are not going to remain quiet and say nothing about this topic.
Not favorable rumors concerning Bonus Ball occurred over a year ago, before its representative(s) started posting on AzBilliards. In fact, most people on this forum had never heard of Bonus Ball at that time.
In a way, I think Bonus Ball should pick one entity to be the mouthpiece on this forum and elsewhere as far as promotion, advertising, and replying to concerned pool folk. The words written in black and white can be misconstrued or misinterpreted quite easily by professional forum posters.
I do understand those who are involved with Bonus Ball want to keep it afloat and eliminate all the negative press. The best way to accomplish this is to utilize the services of a professional PR person. If Bonus Ball is investing as much money as has been written about, I would think this to be a given.
I wish you all the best, Lee, even if you are a Boxing Brit. [joking] :smile:
Ok - I probably missed it as I tried to get caught up in the thread -
Who are the sponsors - or the money men - behind Bonus Ball?
I couldn't find anything in this thread on who is paying out the millions and when I go to www.playbonusball.com all I see is that they are supported by AZ Billiards and Insidepool.
Oh and the website still says that the live streaming starts Nov 29th.
Who are the sponsors - or the money men - behind Bonus Ball?
I couldn't find anything in this thread on who is paying out the millions and when I go to www.playbonusball.com all I see is that they are supported by AZ Billiards and Insidepool.
Oh and the website still says that the live streaming starts Nov 29th.
I agree Jam, but i also feel like the guys are doing a great job in what they are doing, and deserved to be given a break before the league has even started. I mean people are on there back before they have hit a ball, so you can't blame them in defending themselves, i should know i had to defend myself recently
I'm saying that being neutral and not as part of the league, i'm not taking sides. This league is good for pool and everyone involved in the game, and should be given support by everyone, not people knocking it before it's started. Give them a break, and should if fail, then knock away. Until then i say support them or say nothing.
I think its fair to say everyone that has commented in this thread is hopeful that it works, so there are no "haters" here.
As far as knocking is concerned, when the primary mouthpiece for the project goes off, publicly, on Mark Griffin, I think you will notice a bit of resistance to "saying nothing"....
To be clear, I hope it flies. I really do. Hopefully the marketing for this project, and its management, can get their stuff together and present a professional product.
Not sure but it smells like KT.
Also, this thread is about the "players." Who exactly are they? I went to website hoping their was a roster or something. I found nothing. How many players and who are they?
first time..
first time I have ever read a thread of this length from start to (well where it is now...)
Having done so I can state:
1. I will continue to purchase every TAR match and look forward to some sort of accessible historical archive
2. Will NOT spend a nickel on anything associated with Bonus Ball
3. and as someone who was at the US Open and at Q-masters for the "event" with Lee and D... I would gladly give up some PPV $$ to see that one go again... I hear there is a facility in Las Vegas (currently under construction) that might make a good location...
first time I have ever read a thread of this length from start to (well where it is now...)
Having done so I can state:
1. I will continue to purchase every TAR match and look forward to some sort of accessible historical archive
2. Will NOT spend a nickel on anything associated with Bonus Ball
3. and as someone who was at the US Open and at Q-masters for the "event" with Lee and D... I would gladly give up some PPV $$ to see that one go again... I hear there is a facility in Las Vegas (currently under construction) that might make a good location...
This is from their Friends of Bonus Ball Facebook page, it gives the team names & players:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=457445074305771&set=a.122886701094945.25542.116172258433056&type=1&theater
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