R There Any Top Level Pro's that DON'T usa a LD Shaft?

Johnny Archer said in a TAR podcast a few months ago that he has never used one either. Said he was already set in his ways by the time they came out.


thats true, he knows what he likes and sticks with it, lots of top players dont. Ralf swears by them. everyones different
 
Do you remember the tennis great Jimmy Conners and the Wilson Sporting Goods Jimmy Conners tennis racket? It was the first non-wood (metal) tennis racket. Conners won many major championships with it.

Wilson sold millions of them...and millions of tennis players couldn't hit the broad side of barn with it! It was totally uncontrollable.

When asked in an interview about how hard it was to play with a metal racket, Conners simply said, "We're professionals. We could be out there playing with two-by-fours and it wouldn't make any difference."

It's the Indian, not the arrow.

It's like the TAR interview when they asked Johnny Archer about The Measle Ball vs. the Red Circle Ball. His attitude was "Who cares? We're professionals and we have to be able to play with anything."

lol i had that racket when i was kid.
 
you will seldom see the champion players use the low deflection equipment unless....

Johnny Archer and I talked briefly about the LD shafts and we neither one use them. It's like the golf equipment that encourages a "straight ball," by reducing the "hook and slice" spin. This appears to be an advantage, but on closer inspection you will see why it's not.

While it will help the beginner or even intermediate player, the pro will have disadvantages using this type equipment. At the highest levels of golf and pool there's ways to use the deflection and/or spin to give yourself more margin of error. If you don't know how to do this it won't matter, if you do learn how to throw the balls to maximize your "zones" it will matter a great deal.

That's why you will seldom see the champion players use the low deflection equipment unless they're getting compensated. I would agree that if paid enough I'd use one too and just have it altered slighly so it would throw the balls enough to not be a disadvantage.

Just like the players that use the really cheap cues, they will generally have a "special" shaft that costs more than 2 of their cues. :wink:
 
Johnny Archer and I talked briefly about the LD shafts and we neither one use them. It's like the golf equipment that encourages a "straight ball," by reducing the "hook and slice" spin. This appears to be an advantage, but on closer inspection you will see why it's not.

While it will help the beginner or even intermediate player, the pro will have disadvantages using this type equipment. At the highest levels of golf and pool there's ways to use the deflection and/or spin to give yourself more margin of error. If you don't know how to do this it won't matter, if you do learn how to throw the balls to maximize your "zones" it will matter a great deal.

That's why you will seldom see the champion players use the low deflection equipment unless they're getting compensated. I would agree that if paid enough I'd use one too and just have it altered slighly so it would throw the balls enough to not be a disadvantage.

That may be true for Americans, but is doubtful for us Euros. EVERYBODY plays with a Predator here.
 
it was JOSS

Uh, not quite.

It was a Joss butt (special made by Joss, with Shane's name on it) and at some point, he switched to using a Schon shaft on the Joss butt. I believe the shaft was from his mom's cue, from what I was told.


Eric
 
Great question, I always wondered this too. Especially now that I gave up on my predator shaft and went back to a black dot. I know I am in the minority, but I couldn't be happier. I instantly started playing better
 
If there are...I'd like to shake his hand. Back in the day you had to use your head and figure out all the Squim/Squibble/Throw/Push/Deflection...etc..

I still don't use one. That old trusty solid straight maple shaft throw's big wide curve balls... but I know how she throws. Call me Johnny Bench.

What about an "Old School Tourney" Jump shot's are legal...Jump cues are-not. No LD shaft's?

Poor reason for not advancing. Do you apply that same logic to everything else? Still using the telegraph instead of that new fangled cell phone?

I dont have one either but it's only because I have spent my cue allowance for this decade, not because I fear progress.
 
"I spent twenty years washing all my clothes by hand, screw those newfangled stupid washing machines, right guys??? High five!"
 
That may be true for Americans, but is doubtful for us Euros. EVERYBODY plays with a Predator here.

That's because they spot the 9 on the spot. :wink: From all the logos I have to think there's some "other" incentives as well.

I just checked and not EVERYBODY uses the same brand in Europe. - had a feeling that was not a "true statement".
 
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That may be true for Americans, but is doubtful for us Euros. EVERYBODY plays with a Predator here.

well I know that last years nr.1 Dimitri Jungo and Albin Ouschan Jr. don't use any LD shaft.

I might come up with a few more if I think more about it...
 
I believe it was a Schon/Joss as well. He was using the Joss shaft, but swtiching between his Joss and his mother's Schon.

Freddie

That's the way I heard it, too...his Joss shaft on his Joss or his mom's Schon...Joss shafts fit all Schon butts...but some Schon shafts have shallow inserts (1993) that won't seat on standard 5/14x16.
 
That's the way I heard it, too...his Joss shaft on his Joss or his mom's Schon...Joss shafts fit all Schon butts...but some Schon shafts have shallow inserts (1993) that won't seat on standard 5/14x16.

"Heard it" is really the correct description. When you heard Shane hit a ball, you knew it had to be the same shaft (with the 5/16-14 thread)

Freddie <~~~ still gives my bones the shakes
 
I used a z2 for about a year then i used a 314-2 for about a year and a half and I did like the way i played with them, but i hated how they hit. I switched to a beat up old schon stl 7 about 6 months ago and put a kamui black SS tip on it. I love the hit and I've been shooting rather confidently with it.
 
"Heard it" is really the correct description. When you heard Shane hit a ball, you knew it had to be the same shaft (with the 5/16-14 thread)

Freddie <~~~ still gives my bones the shakes

Fred, you didn't like the way that thing hit?? That cue clanked like something was loose.


Eric >can't believe Shane played with that
 
Certainly not to the degree as golf or for the exact purpose but given a pro poolplayer's understanding and control, I can see this being true. In golf, when Ping's were the craze among amateurs, almost none of the professionals played their irons. They stuck with their blades and most still do or at most, the new style of slighter perimeter weighted blades. Very few pro golfers hit a straight ball or desire to. The only way to attack pin positions as they do is to curve the ball in towards the hole. If you aren't capable of that, you simply can't compete at that level. They also want to control trajectory quite precisely which again is difficult to do with Ping style clubs.



Johnny Archer and I talked briefly about the LD shafts and we neither one use them. It's like the golf equipment that encourages a "straight ball," by reducing the "hook and slice" spin. This appears to be an advantage, but on closer inspection you will see why it's not.

While it will help the beginner or even intermediate player, the pro will have disadvantages using this type equipment. At the highest levels of golf and pool there's ways to use the deflection and/or spin to give yourself more margin of error. If you don't know how to do this it won't matter, if you do learn how to throw the balls to maximize your "zones" it will matter a great deal.

That's why you will seldom see the champion players use the low deflection equipment unless they're getting compensated. I would agree that if paid enough I'd use one too and just have it altered slighly so it would throw the balls enough to not be a disadvantage.

Just like the players that use the really cheap cues, they will generally have a "special" shaft that costs more than 2 of their cues. :wink:
 
I don't use LD just a nice 13MM pro taper capped ivory ferrule and a hard tip by JOSS
 
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