Simple situation and you must not dog it. How do you usually play it?

If you absolutely must not dog it, how do you hit this?

  • A - Two rails with inside

    Votes: 77 40.5%

  • B - One rail, top/inside

    Votes: 15 7.9%

  • C - One rail, center/a lil top/a lil inside etc.

    Votes: 35 18.4%

  • D - Two rails with low right

    Votes: 52 27.4%

  • E - One rail, a little draw/stun center/a lil right etc.

    Votes: 7 3.7%

  • F - One rail, right/draw

    Votes: 4 2.1%
  • Total voters
    190
jalapus logan said:
I prefer route D. Hitting that extra rail always helps me to control the speed of the shot. Additionally, Stan Shuffet teaches to shoot my shot in this situation as well. The reason is because throwing the ball into the pocket in this way decreases the likelihood of a skid.
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Same here with me.That's how I shoot a shot of this nature every chance I get.I for sure would not just roll it in,unless it was on the bar rag with the mud ball. IMO most good players would play it this way if much of anything was on the line,like their life,lol John B.

PS: not trying to sell anything,just giving my thoughts on this shot.
 
I missed that exact shot playing neils in atiuney.
Well it was same shot, but off end rail farther.

I caught him a couple games away from the win and was running out. Table was beeakung good and i felt 50%+ chance of b/r to win the set.

Shot that ball with firm hi inside and it twisted right into the end rail pocket corner.

Hung it up and he b/r for the win.

I feel i am 85% on that one with hi inside, 90%+ when i roll it with hi and a touch of outside.

And i would shoot 8 in side too.
 
JB Cases said:
I found option E to be the most consistent. And with TOI (blasphemy I know) it was easier to make the ball.

Video up later.

From there I probably would not play for the corners unless there was some reason. The zone to play the side is pretty good.
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I dont like e at all. Too much variation with the hi/ low possibly taking too much or too little influence from the sidespin. That said, i do mask that ball so there is only side on it, but them i lose margin for error, die to increased speed
 
John Brumback said:
Same here with me.That's how I shoot a shot of this nature every chance I get.I for sure would not just roll it in,unless it was on the bar rag with the mud ball. IMO most good players would play it this way if much of anything was on the line,like their life,lol John B.

PS: not trying to sell anything,just giving my thoughts on this shot.
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Thanks for taking time to respond, it's good to hear how a pro would play this. I feel even better about my shot selection now :thumbup:
 
I also like to draw the ball out two rails.

One word of advice for those who are concerned about their speed on these shots. Usually, coming into the position zone parallel to the shot line is the right move. On shots like this, however, where the ball has 6 pockets and the only place where I can end up dead in the water is if I freeze myself to the OB, I will always pick a line that comes across the position zone just enough that it keeps me from running right at the OB. That way, if the pressure gets to me and I over-amp the shot, at least I don't end up frozen to the ball.

Aaron
 
Always come into the line as much as possible. There are only 2 routes that come into the line of the shot instead of across it.

I would go for A 100% of the time.
 
I selected C but the truth is, my answer is going to change depending on a number of variables. Just so we're clear, I'm going to win this game no matter what but I'll explain my thoughts on keeping out of trouble.

The first thing that goes through my mind are my nerves. How comfortable am I? Do I have dogging on the mind? If this is a must-win situation, I might be a little nervous and will look for simplicity. The second aspect of my comfort will be table-familiarity. Is the cloth running fast? Are the rails bouncy? Am I worried about running too long or hitting it too soft? These worries are going to determine which way I want to go.

With that said, if I feel I don't exactly have the speed of the table down, I'm probably going to hit the 3 gently with a little left. I'm essentially playing position for either the bottom left corner pocket or the side depending on the speed. I am a very confident shot-maker so whenever I'm concerned about a shot, I have a tendency to keep things simple and rely heavily on my shot-making.

If I'm comfortable and feeling good about myself and the speed of the table, my ideal path is to hit it a little firm with right draw (option D) and just get dead perfect for the side. In my humble opinion, option A holds the greatest risk (for me, at least). It's the only type of english that could end in a miss. If I were closer to the 3, I'd feel differently about it but bridging off the rail, I don't want to use extreme inside.
 
Black-Balled said:
I dont like e at all. Too much variation with the hi/ low possibly taking too much or too little influence from the sidespin. That said, i do mask that ball so there is only side on it, but them i lose margin for error, die to increased speed
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I understand what you are saying. I just tried them all out and found E to work best for me. However D was also the second best I found. Video will take about two hours to upload.
 
JB Cases said:
I understand what you are saying. I just tried them all out and found E to work best for me. However D was also the second best I found. Video will take about two hours to upload.
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I'll give the video a look (curious cuz E was pretty unpopular) but bear in mind it's also about shooting it on a big table, under pressure, on unfamiliar equipment... still, it's worth something if you can do it on your table all day without any difficulties.
 
Ddddddd

I'm on D all day long for 3 reasons.

1) Spin: When cutting a ball to a pocket like diagrammed, it is too easy to hit the object ball into the rail. By using the right spin on the cue ball, the object ball is throwing to the left some, helping the ball to be pocketed. Spin also prevents the phenomena of "cling", when the CB and OB seem to stick together. Crazy things happen fron the results of "cling".

2) Bottom: Using the bottoms and having the CB travel further allows for a harder hit. That means the OB is hit harder and the table roll (if any) won't come into play. That type of harder hit is easier to control than a "baby" hit as required by the other shots.

3) The LINE: While any good player can and should be able to execute any of the options, the safest play is D. All anyone need to do to see that is look at each option and shape lines and ask where the CB would be if you hit too hard, then too soft. Note, in all of the options except D the CB is crossing the shape line. With D, the shape line and CB line are running parallel. That is a sign of good shape play. Whether the CB is hit too hard or too soft, the resulting shape is a very reasonable shot. Most good players (pros) I know always try to play shape coming into the line as opposed to crossing the line.

The two rail shape coming into the line is one of my lessons that students appreciate most.

That's my two cents.
 
A or F would work for me............

The closer you get to the 9 ball for the shape the more exact you need to be on the speed.

By putting inside you also end up on a line going straight to the 9 ball.

By putting left you are forcing the ball in with the English and again going to the side rail creating a line straight to the 9 ball.

Easier to stay in line.

But if you can't use the English to execute this shot either way it's time to find a teacher that can teach you how to do this.

it's a very vital part of the game.

This was a great shot to illustrate a few aspects of the technique.

Shooting ability and knowledge that coming in on the line is so much easier.

great post.......
 
As an occasional 14.1 player it has to be C. I'll even go out on a limb and say most straight pool players know this shot so well that it's not even something to think about.

Lou Figueroa
 
A or D works for me. D if I don't feel like walking to the other side of the table (remember this is a 10 ft beast) Just go ahead and shoot both shots from the same spot. :wink:
 
F....... two rails, and back in the same hole as the 3 for my Spanish speaking friends..... and their wonderful last pocket game.
 
I would probably consider the negative effect of freezing the cue ball dead to the eight, then do exactly that. :grin:
 
genomachino said:
But if you can't use the English to execute this shot either way it's time to find a teacher that can teach you how to do this.

it's a very vital part of the game.
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To be fair, this isn't about whether you can execute the shot. This is about the most consistent way to complete an easy runout on a tough table under extreme pressure.

I still go with C. Maybe if I were a pro and playing all the time I'd choose D. But I have enough confidence in my shotmaking to make the two shots from C every time, and because I don't have to do anything with the cueball, my focus can be 100% on shotmaking.

With this runout I don't need perfect shape. I just need to land on the right side of the 8 and I'm golden. So I want to get there in the most dog-proof way possible, which for me is C.

Edit: Keep in mind, this is a different mentality than if these two shots came up mid-rack. Playing C, I know I'm coming across the line of the shot. And I don't care. I don't care about the angle I get on the 8. So long as I'm on the right side I know I can make it. Now, if I had to play shape on another ball after the 8, then I would care a great deal whether I'm straight in, or a little high or a little low. So under that circumstance I am definitely playing D or A. But that would be a different scenario altogether.
 
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John Brumback said:
Same here with me.That's how I shoot a shot of this nature every chance I get.I for sure would not just roll it in,unless it was on the bar rag with the mud ball. IMO most good players would play it this way if much of anything was on the line,like their life,lol John B.

PS: not trying to sell anything,just giving my thoughts on this shot.
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Ah...so, you would not elect to bank a hanger such as this???? he he he:thumbup:
 
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