I know this isn't what this thread was about, but, how about a movie about the Mosconi- Fats rivalry? That could be very interesting. Who could play who?
Is Charlie Williams the most powerful man in pro-pool?
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So basically your answer on the money is "Larry's good for it."
Got it.
Good luck with that one.
As to the whole "Everyone is out to get Bonus Ball" thing see my post in the other thread. http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=312372&page=8
I answered all your questions there to the best of my knowledge and honestly too because that is one thing I am. I never said Larry is good for it but its simply not my business, your business or anyone on this forum, it is the players business and they have a committee of captains I do believe who are responsible to all the players under them to make sure its right. I am a cameraman and am not going to go and demand Larry to show me the money. I do hope the money is there to go through the season because myself aside it is important for everyone else involved.
I know you mentioned in another post about a PR person but I do believe when there is important info about Bonus Ball, you can find it on the WPBL website, Facebook page and I think it is also sent to AZ Billiards to go on the main page here which I think some on the forums overlook but has great information about pool worldwide.
Maybe.....but the next pool movie that comes out, if it's going to do ANYTHING for pool, had better be a hell of a lot better than the last two or three pool movies were. A LOT better!!!
If it fails at the box office, it will fail pool.
Maniac
Lenny, out of all the BB proponents, your posts do seem to provide common sensical replies, and you are not offensive. In this regard, I admire your enthusiasm.
That said, please don't quit your day job. This Larry dude reminds me of the Piped Piper right now, and he's hoping everybody will fall in line like trained little pigs and follow his lead. Just protect yourself is all I'm saying.
It is, but man... last place is apparently 27 grand at the Masters. Sure makes a pool player wince to read news items like:
"Tiger Woods, finishing in a tie for 40th with a round of five-over par. Woods earned only $32k for a frustrating performance at Augusta."
Only 32k... that barely covers gas money, the poor soul.
This may take an incredible wardrobe/make up/special effects team
That's a tough one, I guess Charlie Williams could play one of them (since the thread is about Charlie), and hmmm, maybe Corey could play the other?
This may take an incredible wardrobe/make up/special effects team, but I think they could pull it off with a couple a million dollar budget.
That's a tough one, I guess Charlie Williams could play one of them (since the thread is about Charlie), and hmmm, maybe Corey could play the other?
This may take an incredible wardrobe/make up/special effects team, but I think they could pull it off with a couple a million dollar budget.
That's a tough one, I guess Charlie Williams could play one of them (since the thread is about Charlie), and hmmm, maybe Corey could play the other?
This may take an incredible wardrobe/make up/special effects team, but I think they could pull it off with a couple a million dollar budget.
James Waldon for Willie and Buddy Hall for Fats.
Thanks for the kind words. That saying about not putting too many eggs in a basket because you might end up on a rocky road is true and I will simply go back to doing what I was doing before as will the players. I do appreciate the opportunity to be involved doing something I enjoy with some good people, I have never heard anything bad about Nathan, Dave or Eric in the crew I am a part of and to me that means something. Nathan and Dave really love pool like I do and also want to see the players do well, we all have put money in players pockets in the past and treated them well too.
If you are willing to attach your reputation to the deal without knowing if its legit then thats your choice to make.
I look forward to seeing the next chapter in the saga.
He's got some weird shit on his face. There you go.
Beware the magnets, Nathan...beware.
I pretty much go along with your overall take on things Lou..As much as I hate pessimism, its very hard to find a really bright spot for pool in general..It is good we have people like CJ and Jam..who seem to be eternally optomistic... Being as my 'sell by' date, has long expired, I am content with enjoying whatever streams are available...I do appreciate, and support, the streamer's, as for most it is just a labor of love, not a step to becoming a millionaire.
We all love our pool, (this is after all, a pool forum) and I think its automatic, that we all HOPE for a 'magical' upsurge in acceptance..I believe, for all the reasons already stated, and probably many more,...that "the glass is half full" attitude, is VERY unrealistic.
Sure millions of people still play pool, but very few take it beyond a night 'out with the guy's', ala bowling..They could care less about professional pool...Also, there are thousands of more diversions available now, that didn't exist in EVEN the early 90's..Any 'upsurge', in Professional Pool player income, basically died with the failure of IPT, and Trudeau..
We now have a gentleman trying honestly, ( but, in vain thus far) to implement all sorts of new and exciting concepts.(Bonus Ball)...Given his apparent business model, if he is even moderately successful, than I'll be the first to admit, pool has at least a prayer..(CJ, wanna bet big $$$$ on THOSE stars 'aligning' ?
Until then, there is NO movie, even with a the GREATEST screenplay, and the greatest cast and director, that can ressurect pool (even modestly) as the advent of "the Hustler or "TCOM" did years ago ! It simply ain't 1961, or 1985 any more !
Lets be realistic !...Saginaw, MI..may still be the "Buggy Whip Capitol of the World" ?...But, that ceased to matter, about a hundred years ago ! TIMES DO CHANGE, don't they ?...
SJD
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That is where your view is a little bit skewed. Just say you did not pay the players for some reason would your cameraman have his reputation ruined for it? I do not think anyone on the forum will think less of me if this does not work out, I do not think people I know personally will nor the players involved because I am not the guy who signs the checks or makes the promises.
Remember the players and crew will be paid weekly so if something were to happen no one is going to be ripped off for a large sum of money if at all, crew and players are in the same boat. I do have faith in it and I use to be a very pessimistic person like some here, I gave your favorite grumpy cat the 5 out in negativity. I am not quite and optimist but I am trying to think positively here because of how badly I want it to work because my passion has never been for leagues but for world class pool and the players who have been down and out for so long.
You are a big gambler Lenny. I'll put it in terms you can understand. You are vouching for Bonus Ball. You may not see it that way but you are. You have been the public face of the thing on here more than anyone other than Barry. So if you vouch for someone in the action room and they shoot an air barrel you can either make it good or people just won't pay any attention to your word anymore. You may not see it that way but that is the way it is.
Gotta say this really makes me shake my head. People are changing their lives based on the promise of a salary and a shot at a million dollar prize fund. If the thing goes tits up after a month and he doesnt pay out the million bucks for the prize fund I would say the players got ripped off for a million bucks.
No one would come out and do this thing if it was sold as "Come out and if everything goes well there will be a million dollar prize fund." The idea that no one can get really hurt too bad cause the salaries are paid weekly fits right in with the rest of the mastermind-like strategies that have been on display thus far.
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If a business is going to generate significant revenues, it need not have 6 months of salaries in hand at the start.
But we don't really know what the business plan is to generate revenues. A few hundred ppv buys per week certainly won't cover it. We have speculated about the business plan before, but in ignorance. I've kind of been viewing Season 1 as an attempt to "prime the pump" for greater things ahead. If that's true, then you may be right about the need for significant funds on hand in advance.
The million only covers the prize fund. There is still salaries for all the players and crew for 26 weeks. Plus all the other expenses of a business. Figure $40,000 a week nut on the low end for 26 weeks. I cant think of anything in pool that does anything close to that. I have talked to the biggest promoters in the world and neither can they. But hey....the boys from Canada say none of them have any clue what they are doing so I am eager to see how its really supposed to be done.