Common Question - Jump Cues or No Jump Cues?

Jump Cues or No Jump Cues?

  • No jump cues.

    Votes: 27 18.4%

  • Yes, I like jump cues (and jumping with anything else)

    Votes: 56 38.1%

  • Only if jumping with full playing cue or break cue.

    Votes: 12 8.2%

  • Only if jumping with full playing cue.

    Votes: 35 23.8%

  • NO JUMPING AT ALL!

    Votes: 17 11.6%
  • Total voters
    147
DAVE_M

DAVE_M

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Justin (JCIN) usually asks the players, on the TAR podcast, their thoughts on jump cues. It got me wondering, how many AZ players are for/against jumping.

Personally, I have a jump cue, but I rarely use it. I can and do jump with my playing cue and sometimes my break cue.

How do you guys feel?
 
I love jumping, but it is a bit to easy, especially for the pros. I would much prefer to see pro's doing 2 and 3 rail kicks over a jump shot
 
DAVE_M said:
Justin (JCIN) usually asks the players, on the TAR podcast, their thoughts on jump cues. It got me wondering, how many AZ players are for/against jumping.

Personally, I have a jump cue, but I rarely use it. I can and do jump with my playing cue and sometimes my break cue.

How do you guys feel?
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Jump cues are a freaking joke and mockery of pocket billards. Jumps with your playing cue? Have at it.

Martin
 
At my level of play, if you want to jump, knock yourself out. 50/50 it's going bad for you if you know what you're doing. for most casual players the situation where it's appropriate to jump doesn't come up often enough to get good at it.

I've got one and use it on occasion. I am not against them because they have been a staple of the game since I started playing "seriously" 6 yrs ago.

:cool:
 
I think jumping cue balls is a joke. If you have screwed up the shape it's on you, if your opponent has left you safe you should have to kick out of it not simply jump over the ball. Most if not all pool halls will not let you practice jumping then the advantage clearly falls to the folks that have access to tables and can practice jumping. The average player does not get the oppurtunity to practice jumping enough to become proficient at it. Then there is damage to the cloth from the obvious compresssion of the ball being hit down into the cloth which combined brings me to dislike jumping....
 
I like jump cues because I feel they equalize one of the semi-unfair things in 9b and 10b.

In these games, safeties have always had a skewed risk/reward.
Hiding from only a single ball with many blockers is easy, so easy that it happens by accident all the time.
So often in fact, that they implemented a passback option after misses (under some 10b rules).

Many safeties are dead easy to execute, and can be tried with no risk -
at best the opponent's only offensive shot is a full table bank at maximum distance.
at worst he's frozen to a ball and forced to kick 2+ rails to make a good hit, and missing that kick
might as well be immediate loss of game against a strong player.

What the jump cue does is negate some of that risk reward... it's fairly easy to safe,
but it's also fairly easy to jump out of it.
What happens after that is a tossup for most normal mortals.
For those who jump strong enough to play a counter safe or make the ball... good on them,
that's not easy to do unless the ball is inches from the hole. They deserve their reward if they
can jump a ball in or hook you.
 
Almost everyone who is against jump cues,,do not know how to jump. And it doesn't matter why that is,,,because they can't practice jumping is not a excuse!!

Since they don't know how to jump,,they figure it shouldn't be allowed. Waaa waa,,I can't do it so it shouldn't be allowed!!!

I seen it first hand before. A guy that couldn't jump,,had allot to say about not allowing it. Wouldn't shut up about it.

If that same person learned how to jump he would be screaming about how it should be allowed.
But since he is not good enough to learn the technique,,he cries .

Whats next,,,maybe handicapping someone who practices very hard to become very good at pool. "It's not fair,,their too good from practice,,I need a spot"!!! LMAO Hmmmm???
 
flash5153 said:
Almost everyone who is against jump cues,,do not know how to jump. And it doesn't matter why that is,,,because they can't practice jumping is not a excuse!!

Since they don't know how to jump,,they figure it shouldn't be allowed. Waaa waa,,I can't do it so it shouldn't be allowed!!!

I seen it first hand before. A guy that couldn't jump,,had allot to say about not allowing it. Wouldn't shut up about it.

If that same person learned how to jump he would be screaming about how it should be allowed.
But since he is not good enough to learn the technique,,he cries .

Whats next,,,maybe handicapping someone who practices very hard to become very good at pool. "It's not fair,,their too good from practice,,I need a spot"!!! LMAO Hmmmm???
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Actually, there are many players that can jump proficiently that are not fans of the jump cue, even in the professional ranks. They use them because the rules allow it and they'd be at a disadvantage if they didn't.

I myself am pretty good at jumping, but I too am not a fan of the jump cue. I use it because I am allowed to (but only in Masters League).

My opinion is that a jump cue should only be allowed to be used when your opponent leaves you behind a ball, that you should not be able to use one when you hook yourself. This was not one of the options, so I did not vote. If I HAD to pick one of the options, it would have been NO JUMPING AT ALL.

Maniac
 
I like playing like at the DCC where you can only jump with your playing cue (I think). However, I'm pretty sure that a lot of the low-deflection shafts don't jump well. Many people's break cues are also their jump cues, so I didn't vote that option.
 
Your poll is a bit redundant. "No jump cues" is the same as "Only if jumping with fully playing cue or break cue".

I think the basic categories are as follows:

1. No jumping
2. Can only use shooting cue to jump
3. Can use shooting cue or break cue but not a short cue
4. Jump cues should be allowed.

As well, you didn't mention the possibility of changing the rules a little. I think if you're going to have jump cues, players should be limited to when they can use one. For example, in a call-shot game like 10-ball or 8-ball, maybe the shooter could be allowed to use a jump-cue only when they've been left accidentally safe. That is to say, they can't use it after a called safety and they can't use it if they safed themselves.
 
Maniac said:
Actually, there are many players that can jump proficiently that are not fans of the jump cue, even in the professional ranks. They use them because the rules allow it and they'd be at a disadvantage if they didn't.

I myself am pretty good at jumping, but I too am not a fan of the jump cue. I use it because I am allowed to (but only in Masters League).

My opinion is that a jump cue should only be allowed to be used when your opponent leaves you behind a ball, that you should not be able to use one when you hook yourself. This was not one of the options, so I did not vote. If I HAD to pick one of the options, it would have been NO JUMPING AT ALL.

Maniac
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LMAO ,,you are special,,1 in a million. I got it!!

So the next time your opponent breaks. And you're hooked partially behind a easily jumped ball. What do you do?? You could jump this ball and run out,,or ,,,but naw,,it's not fair?? lol

Like I said,,,the majority (a very high number) that are against jump cues,,don't know how to jump.

But there will be a few that feel the need to say different. Someone special.
 
Every time this thread comes up i give the same answer.

JUMPING = OK
JUMP CUE = NOT OK

I don't like jump cues. They make what should be a very difficult shot to pull off way too easy. its not golf, you shouldnt need a different cue/club for every shot.
imagine the same thing if you were out bowling its like having a special 3 foot wide bowling ball that you can whip out for 7-10 splits....
 
Questions could have been structured differently to gain a better result.

My vote is no jump cues. When I vote that way I also say you can use your break or player to jump with.

I only vote no specially made jump cue that makes it an easy trick shot.
 
what's wrong with jumping ?

Pjaze said:
I love jumping, but it is a bit to easy, especially for the pros. I would much prefer to see pro's doing 2 and 3 rail kicks over a jump shot
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A lot of pros don't like cuz its easier to jump with the short / jump cue. Almost everyone at pro level is going to "legally hit" the object ball. With the kicks its sometimes not that easy.

Having said that how many players are there that do jump shots with "control" ? how many players are there that actually try to play position when doing a jump shot ? I would say just mere jumping is not tough but IMO jumping with a controlled cue ball is a very difficult skill to earn. And if any player has dedicated time and effort to earn that skill then more power to him/her.

Jumping has become part of the game, now you can definitely make rules that no jump cues are allowed or only full jump cues but that won't change anything. Players who want not to be left behind will continue to use jump cues.

Efren likes kicking he has said that many times, and undoubtedly he is one of the best at kicking balls. But, he started using a jump cue too cuz every one was doing it and using the jump cue gave other pro players edge over Efren's kicking.

I would say if you hate jump cues cuz every one can jump and its easy then try to learn jumping the cue ball with control, learn how to play position when doing it. Then you will that its not that easy at it seems when done properly.
 
prad said:
Efren likes kicking he has said that many times, and undoubtedly he is one of the best at kicking balls. But, he started using a jump cue too cuz every one was doing it and using the jump cue gave other pro players edge over Efren's kicking.
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I think we mostly agree, but is there video of efren using a jump cue? Somehow I haven't seen him use one yet. I did hear he started using one also... but I never confirmed with my own eyes.

You know, since the advent of jump cues, I still see more kicks than jumps. So it's not like they removed kicking from the game (and I agree kicking is a beautiful, skillful part of pool... I don't want to see it go away).

I also gotta admit it sucks that you basically must "buy a shot" with a jump cue, but in golf people are buying 14 shots and nobody thinks the game is 'cheapened' by that, nobody looks at golf and says "this game would be so much better with one stick".
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Your poll is a bit redundant. "No jump cues" is the same as "Only if jumping with fully playing cue or break cue".
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I added the No Jump Cues option, because some just don't want them at all and don't want to give a reason or alternative solution.

The Only if jumping with full playing cue or break cue option was added for those that don't want jump cues but still like to allow jumping.

No poll is perfect, but anyone can add up the results and see that jump cues are disliked among most of the pool community.

Hungarian said:
My vote is no jump cues. When I vote that way I also say you can use your break or player to jump with.
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There was an option for that.
 
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