JB stoops to new lows

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One Stroke and Worldpro are nothing more than JB haters and they show it every chance. One Stroke, if you can't understand what JB was stating in the video, you may want to view it a few more times so you get a better understanding of the scenario....Obviously you failed this go round.

As far as this post, great advertising for both case makers....I'm still buying a JB.
 
tank69 said:
One Stroke and Worldpro are nothing more than JB haters and they show it every chance. One Stroke, if you can't understand what JB was stating in the video, you may want to view it a few more times so you get a better understanding of the scenario....Obviously you failed this go round.

As far as this post, great advertising for both case makers....I'm still buying a JB.
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Hey man, no time for posting. Where the hell is my ebony jump break cue! :p
 
one stroke said:
Listen to mr 20k post your more than welcome to take this up with me at the next turny you play in. Oh that's right you just talk pool rarely play

Mark
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Now dontcha get your feelings all hurt when I point out that you are bustin on JB for the way he is bustin on Justice. I do believe you were given it exactly how you dished it out, no?
 
one stroke said:
It was not meant as a threat I know Blackballed played him once yrs back lost 9/8
I get a dig on him every now and the because he does not get out and play very ofton

As for the thread if you don't get it you don't get it

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:embarrassed2:d'oh.

I might just shoot a pool ball tonite. I have been back in school and have my final final exam tonite...plus, wife won't let me ride my bike in a derecho.

All signs point to pool.
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one stroke said:
You don't need a expensive cue and case to play pool infact a good house cue with a good tip will play as good as most customs

However since pool players don't have much money it's good he has shown how cheap and easy they are to make I can see many players making their own
Boy what was I thinking

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I don't disagree, but imagine how many more consumers the custom side of things would have If cost was lower? I'm not saying slews of people will be chomping at the bit to get one of these or make their own, but it can't hurt anything..except your feelings ;)

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one stroke said:
JBs quote

I am going to make a simple case, similar to a Justis all by myself. I chose this one because it's a very easy case to make and I want to show the world how to make one.

If you don't get it you don't get it
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And people wonder why pool is failing

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Pool is failing because JB made a video on case making? Now that's some funny stuff, LOL.
 
I'll be honest here. I have no real favorite in the Barton/Justis debate as to who is the better case maker. Both guys are world class case makers. Both guys build an amazing product that speaks for itself AND has earned them many fans who are willing to speak for them as well. That kind of reputation doesn't just appear out of nowhere. Its established over a period of time by continuing to make a great product that people love.

But I'm with one stroke here. John has started a number of threads both here and on other sites where he takes shots at Jack... all the while adding the disclaimer that "Jack makes a great case" then follows it with "now let me tell you about all that's wrong with it". He makes videos using Justis cases as examples of bad protection, etc.. He offers to make 'upgrades' to Jack's product. Now he's going to teach everyone how to make "this very simple" case... a Justis case, etc.. The passive/aggressive "I'm just here to help you learn" front is just that... a front. John has made it clear that he has an agenda. And while that agenda SHOULD be to make a great case that players will love, his agenda is more like "Let's try and convince the world that Jack's cases suck and mine are better."

Both John and Jack are GREAT case makers who make a solid, well-liked product. Their work has earned them many fans and a considerable amount of success in their industry. But John seems hellbent on showing and telling everyone "Mine is better! Love me more!" in his extremely passive aggressive ways. Frankly, it makes John look bad because it gives him the appearance of being insecure when his long list of orders and his large number of fans and customers should be all the reassurance he needs that he's doing fine by many.

Jack and John BOTH have well-deserved reputations in the pool world. Jack's reputation as a great case maker is deserved. But John's reputation as that of a great case maker AND a crazy, petty, immature individual is also very deserved. He'd be better off just logging off, stepping away from the keyboard, and both making and selling cases rather than giving people in a public forum a number of reasons to steer clear of him and his product.

- B <----------- not a Justis "fanboy" and presently owner of a JB case
 
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:embarrassed2:d'oh.

I might just shoot a pool ball tonite. I have been back in school and have my final final exam tonite...plus, wife won't let me ride my bike in a derecho.

All signs point to pool.
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Glad to hear it I shouldn't talk I don't get much in since I mover away from the Rockville area I get a turny here and there when I can.

But anyhow you know I'm not lost for words I call it like I see it and I can dish it out as well as I can take it , I know the JB cronies will come to his defense and defend his lack of class and professionalism it's all good I could care less either way just a little banter to me

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Grease.

mia said:
I'll be honest here. I have no real favorite in the Barton/Justis debate as to who is the better case maker. Both guys are world class case makers. Both guys build an amazing product that speaks for itself AND has earned them many fans who are willing to speak for them as well. That kind of reputation doesn't just appear out of nowhere. Its established over a period of time by continuing to make a great product that people love.

But I'm with one stroke here. John has started a number of threads both here and on other sites where he takes shots at Jack... all the while adding the disclaimer that "Jack makes a great case" then follows it with "now let me tell you about all that's wrong with it". He makes videos using Justis cases as examples of bad protection, etc.. He offers to make 'upgrades' to Jack's product. Now he's going to teach everyone how to make "this very simple" case... a Justis case, etc.. The passive/aggressive "I'm just here to help you learn" front is just that... a front. John has made it clear that he has an agenda. And while that agenda SHOULD be to make a great case that players will love, his agenda is more like "Let's try and convince the world that Jack's cases suck and mine are better."

Both John and Jack are GREAT case makers who make a solid, well-liked product. Their work has earned them many fans and a considerable amount of success in their industry. But John seems hellbent on showing and telling everyone "Mine is better! Love me more!" in his extremely passive aggressive ways. Frankly, it makes John look bad because it gives him the appearance of being insecure when his long list of orders and his large number of fans and customers should be all the reassurance he needs that he's doing fine by many.

Jack and John BOTH have well-deserved reputations in the pool world. Jack's reputation as a great case maker is deserved. But John's reputation as that of a great case maker AND a crazy, petty, immature individual is also very deserved. He'd be better off just logging off, stepping away from the keyboard, and both making and selling cases rather than giving people in a public forum a number of reasons to steer clear of him and his product.

- B <----------- not a Justis "fanboy" and presently owner of a JB case
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The squeaky wheel gets the grease. I have had both, very nice. I think the JB has a much longer shelf life at a lower price .
 
tank69 said:
One Stroke and Worldpro are nothing more than JB haters and they show it every chance. One Stroke, if you can't understand what JB was stating in the video, you may want to view it a few more times so you get a better understanding of the scenario....Obviously you failed this go round.

As far as this post, great advertising for both case makers....I'm still buying a JB.
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Don't you think there is good reasons for hatred towards certain people?? Just the facts being stated is enough to make me dislike him :rolleyes:
 
Justis China ??????

I just dont know, I had Jack Justis make a custom case for me about 5 years ago and when it was shipped it was packed with Chinese newspapers. Hmmmmmm where was it made ?
 
I don't think I see the problem here. This happens in almost every industry in the world... Tiffany bracelets, Coach purses, iPods, etc... There is always a person/company that pioneers something and becomes successful, then other companies will make a quality product, that is very similar, and charge less money for it. I don't mind it... it helps people who can't (or don't want to) afford the original get these products in their hands.

I think that JB is actually doing a heck of a service here.

The people who want, and can afford, a Justis case will pay the price and wait however long the turn time is to get an original one. Nobody is going to loose any business because of this.

The people who like the Justis style, but either need a case very soon or can't afford an original, might be able to pull the trigger on a case of the style that they have been admiring, but have not been able to obtain, for quite a while. If having an original Justis means something to them, they will end up getting one later anyway.

For the people who can't afford a custom case at all, they might just see JB's step-by-step video and give it a try themselves. How cool would it be to get a compliment on your case, then be able to tell that person that you actually made it?! Who knows... JB might end up creating a couple more case makers through this process (the more competition there is in the market, the better it is for the consumer). Plus, we would get to enjoy the photos of the home-made cases posted in the gallery forums!

For the record, JBs post is not a bait and switch. He clearly states that they would be made available at $300, as a semi-production model, in the future. An extra $175 for the same case built solely by him, with his signature on it, is more than reasonable... especially if you are a collector.

If anyone has a problem with this, then they have a problem with business in general. Competition lowers prices and tends to breed innovation. This is a good thing for consumers.
 
My 2 cents

I have not really opined on any of the JB argument threads because, for one, I don’t care for JB’s posts and ridiculous behavior. This man is the most argumentative person with a clear inferiority complex that would make Napoleon look mentally healthy. He does such a disservice to his business with his personality. Secondly, I really like JJ cases and consider him a legendary case maker and gentleman. . So I keep my mouth shut.

That being said, I got to take JBs side here. I consult business owners for a living and if someone can produce a lower cost alternative to a competitor’s product for much less than he owes it to himself to do so. Smart business move plain and simple. Moreso, it is an example of the very nature of our free economic system here in the US. So what, it may cause JJ to lower is price? That is the exact effect completion is supposed to have in the market place. So ask yourself, if you are a consumer for cases, and only want Justis cases then JB’s move may help you in the long run. So unless you are Jack himself or a shareholder in his company that you should embrace this.

I also feel that personalities and irrationalities get in the way of logic here on AZ all to often. JB and his motives deserves to be questioned because he acts like a child and brings it on himself but if you look at his business decisions (this case, the protection videos) it simply a business man responding to the market in which he belongs, and very well I might add.
Let this one go and enjoy the benefit that completion brings to the consumer. Good luck to both JB and JJ.
 
I'm a guy that knows that some people think they live in heaven and some think they live in hell and regardless of how we choose to see it we are all living the same place.

So maybe its about the choices we make, and when I see someone stretching that far in order to find more evidence to hate with, well, just makes me glad they are them and I'm me.

Kevin
 
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