Accu-Stats is too expensive

I'd also like to add that

Pat Fleming is an amazing dude and does so much for the game.

For Flucks sake people, $8 isn't alot of money. It cost sooo much more to go to a movie or even eat a crappy meal at Chick Fil A. Quit being so damn tight with your cash when it comes to pool and maybe pool would have a chance to prosper.

I am a subscriber to Pat's DVD of the month club and that is an awesome deal too IMO. In fact I actually get 3 of them every month.
 
King T said:
Movies Tickets - $50.00 - Popcorn, candy & drinks - $26.50 - Accu Stats - Priceless!!
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Accu stats is the best. Having said that your not even close on your illustrations, At least be honest when supporting your position.
 
mnShooter said:
$76 for a week is ridiculous and it goes up every year. Free streams have better quality video. Some of the commentators aren't even worth listening to. Half the time it's an empty table. I guess I'll just have to cherry pick which sessions I want to watch or wait until the 9 ball starts because I'm not going to pay that much.

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You lose all credibility by your second sentence "free streams have better quality video" ahahahaha.
 
Where I live, movie tickets are $11 at night and $9 during the day. My wife, daughter and myself going to a movie is $33 plus 2 drinks(they share one) is $9, a medium popcorn that we all share is $6.50. Candy is $4 or $5 and we usually get 2 types to share. So that brings it to around $55-57. total for just 2 hours of entertainment.
 
Everyone has to decide what they can justify spending on live streams. If you can't justify it yourself, it doesn't necessarily mean that their price is too expensive.

If you have seen the equipment and the number of personnel that they bring in to do commentary, you might wonder how they can afford to sell the live stream so inexpensively.

When you watch live streams like poolactiontv.com you have to wonder how they can bring so much to your living room for such a low price.

I have been around the scenes for a while now and the cost for live streaming has to rise as live streamers continue to respond positively to their clients request to provide higher quality productions.

The fact is that quality, live streaming is a costly business and costs increase as live streamers purchase additional equipment, software and attempt to upgrade their production with personnel. Traveling expenses aren't getting any cheaper, nor are food prices.

I sympathize with anyone who cannot afford to purchase some of the quality live streams but saying that a live streamer's prices are too expensive is not fair to them, especially when you don't know what their costs are. The truth is that most of the live streamers work far harder (and far longer hours) than most of us do in our traditional occupations for much less money.
 
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spells NITS. They will always exist. Like cockroaches and rats they live off other peoples efforts and expect everything for free. Would they go to work for $2 an hour. Nah yet they expect you to.
 
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Never.

I would NEVER pay $10 to watch pro pool in high definition, tv quality, multiple cameras with a boom just like ESPN. Four matches for that amount? What a rip off that is.

$2.50 to watch two professional players with expert commentary locked in battle LIVE? From the comfort of my couch? That's way too much to ask.

How dare Pat Fleming take a huge ass truck full of gear and a full staff half way across the country and have the gall to charge for that service. The hubris of this man is just too much to bear.

It's too much I tell you, too much. I am going to start a petition on Change.org to protest this affront to humanity.

Will do that right after this week's great bunch of matches brought to us by Hall of Famer and pool video pioneer Pat Fleming......

:-)

Well I just went expecting to pay $76 but it was only $68 for the week. I can think of a lot of things I can do for $68 and not one of them is better than watching the world's best players competing on AccuStats LIVE and in HD.
 
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spells NITS. They will always exist. Like cockroaches and rats they live off other peoples efforts and expect everything for free. Would they go to work for $2 an hour. Nah yet they expect you to.
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Tap, tap, tap!
 
JoeyA said:
Everyone has to decide what they can justify spending on live streams. If you can't justify it yourself, it doesn't necessarily mean that their price is too expensive.

If you have seen the equipment and the number of personnel that they bring in to do commentary, you might wonder how they can afford to sell the live stream so inexpensively.

When you watch live streams like poolactiontv.com you have to wonder how they can bring so much to your living room for such a low price.

I have been around the scenes for a while now and the cost for live streaming has to rise as live streamers continue to respond positively to their clients request to provide higher quality productions.

The fact is that quality, live streaming is a costly business and costs increase as live streamers purchase additional equipment, software and attempt to upgrade their production with personnel. Traveling expenses aren't getting any cheaper, nor are food prices.

I sympathize with anyone who cannot afford to purchase some of the quality live streams but saying that a live streamer's prices are too expensive is not fair to them, especially when you don't know what their costs are. The truth is that most of the live streamers work far harder (and far longer hours) than most of us do in our traditional occupations for much less money.
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Joey,
I agree with what you are saying to an extent. I have no doubt about the quality of the streaming, and the cost to continue to provide better streaming.

1. I would not start a post about the expense, but I did agree on it being too expensive (for me). And the fact that I would want a choice on the matches being shown. Just like JesseBfan mentioning the cost of the movies. I bet when he bought the tickets he knew which movie was playing. Everyone has different rooting interests in players, so the match choice will not please everyone.

2. I think not being able to justify an expense means it is too expensive for whomever states that. I don't think it should be considered an insult to say something is too expensive. I think it's a subjective opinion. I could state a Ferrari is too expensive and Fatboy could come here and tell me about the hard work and craftsmanship of a Ferrari and say I'm crazy to think it's too expensive based on the value.

3. You were THE MAN in the booth at the Ultimate! Loved your commentary and look forward to hearing you more and more.
 
Accu-Stats brings in a crew of 6-8 people plus hired commentators to make broadcast quality shows, which are later aired in the Asian markets. It takes two days just to set up his equipment and the television arena. The only online shows that are of similar high quality that I've worked on are the SkySports productions of the Mosconi Cup. SkySports brings in two full scale production trucks, a crew of 25-30 people and a healthy six figure budget!

I highly recommend watching Accu-Stats on Tuesday as that will be the day we air the semifinals and finals of the Bigfoot Challenge. Only the best players on the planet playing Ten Ball on 10' tables, all Races to Eleven. Yesterday Shane defeated Dennis Orcollo 11-6 and Alex defeated Francisco 11-9 and these were first round matches!
 
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ditto

I agree with all those who say "expensive" is a subjective thing; even if I could not afford the entire week's expense, I would pay the daily rate for matches I wanted to see......I have said it before, and I will say it again; I have bought Accu-Stat videos starting from when they produced VHS tapes, and have dealt with Pat and his brother quite a few times over the years.....I have never been disappointed and I wish everyone in business were as gracious and customer-friendly as they are......Pat is definitely somebody everybody in the pool world should appreciate and support, for all that he has done to chronicle and capture a lot of the best pool matches played by the most talented people that pool has ever seen...
 
yobagua said:
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Brilliant !

NN negatives nits !!

It is whats wrong with the world, not just pool.

They are everywhere. Cannot be avoided.

Imagine how the whole world would be without their existance !

But NN's of pool are special. They would whine and moan if they were paid to watch the best in HD !!!

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Diamond69 said:
Joey,
I agree with what you are saying to an extent. I have no doubt about the quality of the streaming, and the cost to continue to provide better streaming.

1. I would not start a post about the expense, but I did agree on it being too expensive (for me). And the fact that I would want a choice on the matches being shown. Just like JesseBfan mentioning the cost of the movies. I bet when he bought the tickets he knew which movie was playing. Everyone has different rooting interests in players, so the match choice will not please everyone.

2. I think not being able to justify an expense means it is too expensive for whomever states that. I don't think it should be considered an insult to say something is too expensive. I think it's a subjective opinion. I could state a Ferrari is too expensive and Fatboy could come here and tell me about the hard work and craftsmanship of a Ferrari and say I'm crazy to think it's too expensive based on the value.

3. You were THE MAN in the booth at the Ultimate! Loved your commentary and look forward to hearing you more and more.
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Diamond69,
Yes, I agree, it isn't an insult to say that something is "too" expensive.

mnShooter could have altered his heading just a bit with something like"Accu-stats is too expensive for me.", and perhaps he wouldn't have received such dissenting opinions. I don't think he meant to insult anyone.

I actually empathize with mnShooter about some of his other points but there are things too many to mention that go on behind the scenes that don't allow back to back matches, one after the other. Scheduling is an art and for the most part, the tournament director resides over this area although he does discuss things with the Live Streamer. Besides, who wants to gorge themselves with a super-delicious meal, followed by another super-delicious meal, followed by another? From a spectator standpoint, when you allow yourself some downtime between matches, it gives you a chance to "digest" the fine match you just witnessed.

Your comments about my commentary at the Ultimate 10 Ball Championships are sincerely appreciated.

Best regards,
JoeyA
 
Celtic said:
That is kind of BS.

There have been more then a few times they have put womens finals matches from weak womens fields where the women are not even close to the top caliber female players on in place of mens semi finals matches between world class men playing to make it into the final match.

At times this has taken place the people on the chat, who PAID accustats for the stream have shown pretty much universal displeasure at this type of BS, asked that the critical mens match be shown, and accustats have in effect told them to go screw and that they will show what they decide to show and the people who paid for the stream can like it or leave.

That type of customer service for what is a very expensive stream is completely unacceptable and it has been a very long time since I have last bought a Accustats stream because of that type of crap.
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After much thought the only time that this could have happened was during an evnet at the Turning Stone. That was a freem stream in conjuntion with AZBtv. AND besides all that EVERYTHING is decided by Mike Zuglan.
Other than that your entire opinion is based on what I say.

FACT- The last time a ladies event appears in the current Accu-Stats catalog is 1999.
No ladies divisions covered. Only Turning Stone had ladies on the stream table going back 15 years.

Your post is totally confusing and untrue !

Now back to the OP

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I cant afford a Gina but Im not complaining

Let me just say, Thank god for Pat Fleming and his crew. I come from a time when there was one tv on the block and that was the rich kids. After we were able to afford our own tv,it closed down after 9PM at nite and we had only 2 channels. I went into shock when I came to California and found out tv ran 24 hours a day. Didn't sleep for days.
I dreamed one day of selecting my own programs and my own choices for entertainment.
Now we have alternatives. We can choose between all the free stuff on TV or borrow from the library vids and to the high end. Cable, Netflix, Hulu, etc.
Unfortunately in order to get the best you have to pay. You want a huge flat screen to watch your games you go get the money to buy one. You don't stand outside Target and whine about the cost of one. You go get the money. This is how America works.
I don't mind programs that help the poor and paying my share of taxes for the betterment for those who need help. I grew up dirt poor.
Milk is too expensive. So is Bread. But I am not going to deprive my kid because of that. I am neither going to deprive myself from the best there is after all the hard work Ive done. If you think things are too expensive do like I did when I was young. Play with a house cue. They are free. But for me Ill also take the option to work like hell to get a well crafted cue..
 
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Efren just barely beat Skyar Woodward in a battle for the last ball. Exceptional play by this young man. Efren with one loss still in the hunt.
Bustamante next vs new Philipino gunslinger Biado
This morning saw John Brumback defeat a feisty Warren Kiamco
and Justin Hall duke it out with Johnathan Pinegar.
Already got my moneys worth and then some
 
To be honest Pete and Pat have been awesome for the pool scene going viral. I think without them we would have such a limited base and tools to learn from. I think it's worth the money...just my 2 cents.
 
JoeyA said:
Everyone has to decide what they can justify spending on live streams. If you can't justify it yourself, it doesn't necessarily mean that their price is too expensive.

If you have seen the equipment and the number of personnel that they bring in to do commentary, you might wonder how they can afford to sell the live stream so inexpensively.

When you watch live streams like poolactiontv.com you have to wonder how they can bring so much to your living room for such a low price.

I have been around the scenes for a while now and the cost for live streaming has to rise as live streamers continue to respond positively to their clients request to provide higher quality productions.

The fact is that quality, live streaming is a costly business and costs increase as live streamers purchase additional equipment, software and attempt to upgrade their production with personnel. Traveling expenses aren't getting any cheaper, nor are food prices.

I sympathize with anyone who cannot afford to purchase some of the quality live streams but saying that a live streamer's prices are too expensive is not fair to them, especially when you don't know what their costs are. The truth is that most of the live streamers work far harder (and far longer hours) than most of us do in our traditional occupations for much less money.
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Cost of production of course sets the admission price but it's a slippery slope between cost per viewer and the number of viewers. @ $76 per week I could easily envision the costs rapidly exceeding the number of willing viewers times $76
If it's working at that price then the price is exactly right. If however it becomes apparent that the price needs to be raised from there to meet financial goals then the production is on a decaying orbit and either needs to be subsidized or it will go away. The trouble with pool enthusiasts is that as a group they are much broker and tighter than the general public. And this dynamic has been killing one pool related venture after the next. Sadly there may not be a formula for financial success in pool related broadcast media.

JC
 
Celtic said:
That is kind of BS.

There have been more then a few times they have put womens finals matches from weak womens fields where the women are not even close to the top caliber female players on in place of mens semi finals matches between world class men playing to make it into the final match.

At times this has taken place the people on the chat, who PAID accustats for the stream have shown pretty much universal displeasure at this type of BS, asked that the critical mens match be shown, and accustats have in effect told them to go screw and that they will show what they decide to show and the people who paid for the stream can like it or leave.

That type of customer service for what is a very expensive stream is completely unacceptable and it has been a very long time since I have last bought a Accustats stream because of that type of crap.
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I admit I haven't purchased every accu-stats stream but since I know Pat and his crew a little bit I can honestly say I would be very surprised if an actual crew member of Pat's told any one to go screw themselves and take it or leave it. I think that IF an actual employee of Pat's were on the stream then they would surely be more diplomatic in their replies.

Having said that I have to really wonder though where the type of thinking comes from that says the fans can direct the programming? As far as I can remember the fans are very rarely given the choice on any streams as to what will be shown. I have seen it a few times but only when there was a choice to be had. AccuStats is a highly professional outfit, they don't have a big window to just put up anyone they want, they have certain matches to select from based on what's happening with the event and that's it. It's not always marquee players that end up on the stream because marquee players aren't always available.

The point is though that this is live pro pool in television quality, for $2 a match. If that's not worth it then nothing is.
 
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