Everyone has been paid at the US OPEN
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If Johnny Archer wanted this information relayed on the public forum of AzBilliards, I am quite sure he would have published it for all to read and know. The fact that he did not may be for a reason.
Since you brought it up, though, it might be helpful if you share with the readers of this forum what indeed occurred BEFORE the checks were handed out, instead of a cryptic message that can be misinterpreted numerous different ways. :smile:
One thing for sure, whatever it was, we will definitely encounter numerous threads and posts analyzing and debating the pros and cons by those who have no interest in the U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship but like to flame and argue.
Well JAM, it's not my place to say what happened, which is why I haven't. It's Johnny's. I was merely calling on him to inform the public. It will eventually get out and Johnny will look foolish for vouching for Barry. And I doubt he will again in the future. He should get ahead of this by sharing what happened.
No sir, you don't understand. This is Barry's baby. 38 years and running! You don't know how hard he works!!! Nobody else in the whole wide world of pool can run this tournament He can pay the players whenever he damn well pleases. A week after the tournament, two weeks, a year!!!
I always kinda thought Eddie Murphy had a little sugar in his tank. Those pants just confirmed it. Thanks for the post Jam and punter!
Question..
but if not Barry who?
Mark has thrown in the towel on running anymore US Opens (10 ball, 8 ball, 1 pkt) because he doesn't like dealing with the pros anymore... I am not sure if Mark is willing to lease the naming rights but if he isn't then the LAST US Open 10 Ball, 8 Ball and 1 Pckt champions have been crowned........
Barry has put up with the pros for 38 years.. the pros have put up with Barry for 38 years..
Diamond is keeping the DCC but Tunica is dead....
Ultimate 10 Ball dead....
Mark might do some invite only tournaments (so better stay on his good side!)...
If he wanted too Barry could cap the field at 64 and hold it at Q-Masters......
So who exactly is fighting for the chance to run the event for the NEXT 38 years that is not getting the chance because Barry owns the name? Lets have the names. Who are these people that WANT to take it over, IF only they had the chance. (not who COULD do it.. but who WANTS to do it..) Anyone?
but if not Barry who?
Mark has thrown in the towel on running anymore US Opens (10 ball, 8 ball, 1 pkt) because he doesn't like dealing with the pros anymore... I am not sure if Mark is willing to lease the naming rights but if he isn't then the LAST US Open 10 Ball, 8 Ball and 1 Pckt champions have been crowned........
Barry has put up with the pros for 38 years.. the pros have put up with Barry for 38 years..
Diamond is keeping the DCC but Tunica is dead....
Ultimate 10 Ball dead....
Mark might do some invite only tournaments (so better stay on his good side!)...
If he wanted too Barry could cap the field at 64 and hold it at Q-Masters......
So who exactly is fighting for the chance to run the event for the NEXT 38 years that is not getting the chance because Barry owns the name? Lets have the names. Who are these people that WANT to take it over, IF only they had the chance. (not who COULD do it.. but who WANTS to do it..) Anyone?
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I think this is a good solution for an event that is plagued with problematic situations each year. I think 128-player field would actually suffice.
Benefits are that players sign up long before the first day of the event, allowing logistical arrangements to be made well in advance. Plus -- and this is probably the biggest bonus -- EVERYBODY, players and spectators alike, will not have to incur the expenses associated with attending the week-long tournament.
To me, this seems like a great way to solve a lot of the associated problems that seem to occur each year for Barry, et al.
That said, I have run tournaments, many pool tournaments, but nothing on the scale of the Open. It's Barry's show. After 38 years, he can do damn well whatever he pleases, and it's nobody's business but his, no matter what any of us think or say. :smile:
If indeed it has to be Barry to run it you are right...128 at Q-Masters would be fine in this day and time and with this poor economy. 64 is not enough to get the best from around the world unless another big tournament is just before or just after it. With amount of tables he has there and all the money he puts out for a venue he could spend 1/2 or less of that one time to arrange the room so there are 12-20 good tables and some bleachers for 3 days.
Might just be me looking from the outside in but from what I've seen and heard of Mark, its more a question of acting right than staying on his good side....
I do agree that the tournament should be head at Q-Masters, but I don't think the field should ever be limited. They should encourage as many entries as possible. The more money in, the more money out. Also, Q-Masters has so many tables, they could speed the tournament up quite a bit by holding it there. It may not look as nice, but it's a great way to continue a great tournament with a long history.
Not to mention keep overhead down, free advert for HIS pool hall still, and no *****ing and moaning with a hotel about arrangements.
Seems to make sense. That means since this is the pool world, it will NEVER happen...
I don't know why Johnny A. doesn't comeback on here and straighten out this new rumor or truth that has been brought up on here. It would be a shame to remember him for leading the pros into a failed Bonus Ball, the ABP. and now maybe more. It's his rep on the line, Barry has already ruined his. Johnny has been a champion for three decades. When he retires and has a clean name he will still command respect and monetary rewards for years after. If these blemishes stay on his record...well I just hope his poolroom is making big money. Johnnyt
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I don't think I can elucidate any better, but I will try.
As to the first part of the paragraph, I have run many pool tournaments, but nothing on the scale of this, except I did do a finals of the Miller Lite League many moons ago. I had no idea what I was in for, as I held it at my one-pool-table neighborhood tavern. The owner said it was the most money he had ever made in the history of Hank Dietle's Tavern, and he came over to me the next day and ripped up my $100-plus bar tab for bringing the tournament there. It was pretty huge. I have also run small weekly tournaments, medium tournaments like the '86 Maryland State Championship, et cetera. I'm familiar with how to run a tournament is what I am trying to say, but not on the scale of the U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship.
Okay. With that out of the way, Barry Behrman owns the rights to the U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship. Nobody else can run one with that name because, somehow or another, he actually does, indeed, own this event called "U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship." As such, after 38 years of running the U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship, owning the rights, Barry Behrman is entitled to run it any way he sees fit, whether you, me, the players, the spectators, AzBilliard forum members like the way he runs it or not. It is his show.
In conclusion, it is a shame that in recent times, this event is plagued with problems, logistical and financial difficulties. I believe some of these problems can be remedied, but it's not my call. It's not my business how Barry run's his business. If the players and spectators don't like the way Barry runs his business, then they can elect to not support it.
Me personally, I realize and appreciate Mark Griffin's multi-event happeings, but they're out West. I'm on the East Coast. I don't want to lose this pool event on the East Coast, just in case I can get time off work to attend, but that's me being selfish with my own likes and dislikes, I guess.
While this sounds good, at first blush, I dont think it's gonna be that simple.
Some of the issues with using Q Master are that there is not enough room for the amount of spectators that come. A good portion of the revenue is from the gate i.e. VIP seat sales. I don't have exact numbers, but towards the end of the week, you might get a few hundred ppl show up, with a third being VIP seat holders.
That brings up another point; fire codes. You can only have X amount of ppl in Q Masters, at one time.
Also, a good portion of the US Open field is made up of ppl that have no shot of winning the tourney. If you slim the fields down, you reduce the prize pool of money due to some of the cannon fodder not donating. It really doesnt cost that much more to have a 256 field vs a 128 field. The real devil in the details is having a location with enough room for the spectators.
Eric
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You have good points, but I don't believe anyone can run a 256 player 9-ball tournament that lasts 7 day in this economy and with prices now a days for travel, hotel, food, entry, and the little things that come up. Johnnyt
dom_poppa
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Passive aggressive post.
I don't think he owes us anything because some message board poster made up a rumor.
Why would that have an affect on his pool business. Are you not going to trust his tables? lol
If he really wanted to do it up right, there would be qualifiers all over the world. Some of that money would go to the host room, some to the U.S. Open prize fund. If you want to win something at the qualifier other than a spot in the open, you just raise the entry fee to suit your needs at each room. You then can easily get the field whittled down to just 64 for the main event. All of which would already be in the money.