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A different perspective on the Mosconi Cup
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sadly....that might be right :frown:
I think when you have high expectations and they turn into disappointment they turn into frustration.
I thinks it fairly normal when frustrated things will be said and I also think it's fairly normal to have regret when things are said while being frustrated.
If that makes any sense.
I thinks it fairly normal when frustrated things will be said and I also think it's fairly normal to have regret when things are said while being frustrated.
If that makes any sense.
I wasn't there either, but I watched it live. Ralf merely looked at the rack and didn't say anything. I thought Earl's complaint showed where his head was at, and clearly got the team going in a negative direction...looking for problems that weren't there.
Americans have a very difficult time admitting mistakes, weaknesses, etc.
"Until we see what we are, we cannot take steps to become what we should be."
-Charlotte Perkins Gilman
Pool Shark
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This was the bad news bears playing against an elite team...Only this wasn't a movie but reality. Team USA was overmatched in skill,mental toughness,leadership,togetherness,etc. team USA was just a bunch of players tossed together to play against a legit team, this is what it looked like to me.
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USA now has to compete against countries in Asia which has Pool as a school sport and which have governments which sponsor young players to play fulltime
I'm in Australia and cue sports are as ignored by mainstream as they are in the USA. Hardly anyone can make a living from cuesports here.
In contrast, every kid in australia has to do swimming and there's heaps of government programs and sponsorship which is why we are pretty good at swimming
Pretty tough for youngsters nowadays to get on their own to the level of being a self sustaining professional
I'm in Australia and cue sports are as ignored by mainstream as they are in the USA. Hardly anyone can make a living from cuesports here.
In contrast, every kid in australia has to do swimming and there's heaps of government programs and sponsorship which is why we are pretty good at swimming
Pretty tough for youngsters nowadays to get on their own to the level of being a self sustaining professional
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You also understand what is happening here.
As long as they have people like you to make excuses for them and enable them, I expect nothing to change. Is it a systemic issue? No way. System creates the glass ceiling however it doesn't influence how a person conducts themselves. You have poor people that are jerks and blame the world and you have poor people that are thankful for whatever they have and still recognize they are blessed to even be alive. Who would you be most likely to help?
It's a weak argument to try to suggest grown men can't be held accountable for their behavior...that will never make sense to me.
Oh and yes they dogged it, flat out played bad. They should be told that. No consoling, they were weak 4 years ago and they are only getting weaker. That was feeding sheep to lions.
Please don't twist my words to mean something they don't. Nobody is making excuses. I agree the behavior was disappointing.
My post, in case you do not comprehend, was trying to suggest that a new approach to professional pool may be in order, because the BCA is dead as far as I'm concerned.
I agree with almost everything you're saying. And yes. They DID dog it. But what JAM and a lot of other people here seem to be getting wrong is that the majority of posters aren't coming down Team US because they were outplayed. They're coming down hard on them because they acted like infantile asses and seemed to just not care too much.
According to JAM, this should be acceptable because the billiard world screwed them and they've got nothing left. Its everyone's fault but Earl's. Its everyone's fault but Dennis'. But frankly, these are grown men who chose to play a game in a professional capacity. If they can't ACT like professionals, why should we spare them their feelings?
I never said it is acceptable behavior. Sheesh! Come on, man. Surely, you can do better than this if you want to debate this subject matter.
FWIW, the BCA did screw 'em, not the billiard world.
Just continue to rip 'em apart until you get sick of gnawing on this topic. It's been overplayed. It's time to move on to a remedy to the existing state of professional pool, with or without Dennis, Earl, et al.
So now I don't choose an adjective to your liking? Gimme a break, man.
"Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding ." Proverbs 17:28.
SVB and Archer were the only US players that showed any class. Hatch and Morris were swearing and complaining and Earl was an idiot as we all expected. Have you ever heard a group of bigger whiners complaining about the rolls? They sounded like children, embarrassing!!!
There are other threads to discuss the seeming lack of talent displayed by the US side.
There are other threads to discuss the seeming lack of talent displayed by the US side.
Jesus take the wheel...
I'm not gonna get you all riled up Jammy Pants but my point is all the apologists and enablers should step back and just look at these guys. It's insane to want more for others than they want for themselves. That's always going to be true. Sometimes you gotta look at them like Romeo and realize "They are who we thought they were."
I have no time to worry about ungrateful players that aren't worried about me. They can just miss me with that BS. They dogged it and pouted like children for 2.5 days.
Moses smell the roses! Do you even know what "enabling" means? I'm not enabling a damn thing, and I'm not apologizing, either.
I don't think those players are worried about you one bit, FWIW. With fans like you, who needs enemies?
If you are not interested in professional pool surviving, fine, but don't denigrate othres who may want to see it progress in a positive direction.
Pathetic Shark
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As I enjoy so much all the wonderful words and things that changed because of Nelson Mandela, the interview on CBS this morning with Charlie and Bono of U2 the rock group, similarities are there. Bono was so much influenced by Nelson that when he was 18 yr. old and until now his cause is the same.
Paralleling the actions of 3 American players, Bono said....
This isn't natural it's man made. Poverty is NOT a natural condition, as is the Behavior of the whining and complaining of three. By these men having chosen this profession and living in the trenches of society, they are a regurgitation of their constant surroundings, and their background. It's the TRUTH....Now that it's Front And Center, change MUST happen, or the bloodbath will continue. Mandela chose to embrace those that jailed him, and in doing so he also set the jailers free. Ironically, two of our three have been in jail.
If any of the three are ever passing thru CO, you've Always got a place to stay ''for a few days''.
Paralleling the actions of 3 American players, Bono said....
This isn't natural it's man made. Poverty is NOT a natural condition, as is the Behavior of the whining and complaining of three. By these men having chosen this profession and living in the trenches of society, they are a regurgitation of their constant surroundings, and their background. It's the TRUTH....Now that it's Front And Center, change MUST happen, or the bloodbath will continue. Mandela chose to embrace those that jailed him, and in doing so he also set the jailers free. Ironically, two of our three have been in jail.
If any of the three are ever passing thru CO, you've Always got a place to stay ''for a few days''.
Boy, you know how to tickle a trout, don't you? :grin-square:
That goes back to exactly what I was talking about earlier regarding fandom in sports in general. Just because you're a fan or a supporter doesn't mean you have to be gung ho or positive about everything your team does. And the corollary to that is that when I criticize my team it doesn't mean that they aren't my favorite or that I'm not longer a fan. For example I'm a Colts fan, and myself and many others have been very outspoken this season about how crappy our offensive philosophy has been and how much Trent Richardson sucks and how it was a crappy trade. I say those things because they have been shown to be true in games, and it in no way means that I don't still love the Colts and want them to win every game. Rooting for your favorite pool players in no different in my mind.