Let me ask you something, would you say it's a safe bet that there is more than 128 pool rooms around the world with more than 16 9ft tables in them?
2014 US Open 9-Ball Championship: 128-player field, $1,000 entry fee
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Let me ask you something, would you say it's a safe bet that there is more than 128 pool rooms around the world with more than 16 9ft tables in them?
Totally different question, yes I think there are. If there are not pool is in a much worse state than I thought.
That is the size table the tests should be taken on and the tournaments played on
in my opinion.
If you are talking about holding major tournaments in Pool Rooms, I don't know what to say.
As many rooms don't even have decent ball sets, not to mention the table up-keep, or maybe I
should say lack of it. Many are set up terrible for spectators.
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So rather than a race to some number, you see it more as "play for 3 hours, and the guy ahead at that point wins (unless someone gets to 21 sooner)." I'd like to see some matches played that way before really judging it, but I doubt that I'd prefer it (to races to a number), even given the benefits you mentioned. Pool isn't basketball or football. It's more like tennis or volleyball -- the player (or team) that reaches a certain score first wins. I don't think I'd want to see one guy stalling after he gets ahead (even if the stalling is limited by a shot clock) and the other guy trying to play real fast to catch up before time runs out.
[Exception -- In One-Pocket, I think I actually would enjoy something sort of similar to that -- a shot clock and a game clock. If neither player had reached 8 balls when the clock ran out, the guy ahead would win the game. That would do away with the interminable wedge games and force some different tactics as the time limit approached. But it would still be a race to x wins.]
I'm glad to see you're making your ideas public, Glen. And they deserve a thread of their own.
Almost for sure it will be streamed PPV by Accustats.
Unless my math is wrong, if they have 128 players, 80 will be out at least 2 grand , another 28 might break even , another 14 will double their money and a few will triple their money.
Only the top 3 will get even odds on their money or better out of the 128.
Just from a gambling standpoint it's goofy,
I'll be shocked if they have more than 40 major players who don't get free entry.
{if he is still doing that for previous winners}
Only the top 3 will get even odds on their money or better out of the 128.
Just from a gambling standpoint it's goofy,
I'll be shocked if they have more than 40 major players who don't get free entry.
{if he is still doing that for previous winners}
I understand what you're thinking, and it may have merit. Keith says that without the shortstops and dead money, it may not be as attractive to some players competing for bigger amounts.
Personally, I like the 128-man field and lesser time in Norfolk, meaning lesser expenses.
That said, I personally think the U.S. Open would be better served to have only the cream of the crop in a competition of this magnitude. I could be wrong and there will be a low attendance with the new rules in effect, but I hope I am not wrong.
One thing I do know about pool and pool tournaments is this. No matter what changes you effect for the better or what rules are in place or what equipment is used or where the venue is located, you cannot please everybody. It's just impossible.
The same holds true with other pool happenings, not just the U.S. Open. I mean, read the latest threads about the Mosconi Cup. We all have opinions. I have received a lot of correspondence about this topic offline, people sharing their thoughts, and nobody seems to be in agreement with the selection criteria for Team USA.
In sum, promoters do the best they can with the tools at their disposal, and the only thing left for most of us to do is to sit back and enjoy the show.
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IMO too much has changed if Barry keeps it like the last press release. Down to 128=good, winner down to 25k=not awful, still paying too deep, no dead wood, too many days for the tournament=2k-2.5k to play, 1k entry=too much.
I believe a lot of the top players that don't get sponsored are going to see this and figure very few of the dead wood will pay the 1k and too many pros won't get staked, and there will be a domino effect with a lot of pros not pulling the trigger for the ROI. If you want most of the top pros to come, you need to cut the 1k entry as much as possible and don't pay as deep. Johnnyt
I believe a lot of the top players that don't get sponsored are going to see this and figure very few of the dead wood will pay the 1k and too many pros won't get staked, and there will be a domino effect with a lot of pros not pulling the trigger for the ROI. If you want most of the top pros to come, you need to cut the 1k entry as much as possible and don't pay as deep. Johnnyt
By cutting the field down to 128 and the event costing $1000 to enter, Barry has just cost vendors and the community as a whole, around a minimum $80,000 to $100,000 for the week. Im guessing around 400 to 500 people will not be attending this ever fading event.
NOTE to Barry: If you cannot handle the event (money, bookings, space and players), sell the event to someone who can. Every Bad issue(s) associated with this event has one common denominator: YOU. Let it go.
NOTE to Barry: If you cannot handle the event (money, bookings, space and players), sell the event to someone who can. Every Bad issue(s) associated with this event has one common denominator: YOU. Let it go.
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Jen,
I resemble that remark
! Think I forgot to copyright those nicknames 
.Seriously, as much as I would like to play in the event, my friend and sometime entrant won't go for that figure. I'm sure there are lots of players like myself who would be excluded from the event based solely on the entry fee. My gut says there aren't 128 players across this great land who will risk $1000 to play head to head with the best of the best. No more guys like "dead money" to allow them to advance a round or two!
Lyn
If Barry was smart, he would bring in some bar tables or the same amount of big tables he had before and do a $100 entry fee, $25 green fee no added money lesser event. Then he would still get the crowds at the event that he needs.
Or if he wants to add money, I would contact Hustlin clothing. I may be wrong but this is one company that does a lot of business in the pool world but I don't see as a sponsor for any events. I do believe that they give out clothing to some of the players.
Or if he wants to add money, I would contact Hustlin clothing. I may be wrong but this is one company that does a lot of business in the pool world but I don't see as a sponsor for any events. I do believe that they give out clothing to some of the players.
Six hundred
$600 Entry would be Real, and acceptable in these times.
Gas, hotel, lodging, cabs, food, all these life items have increased, but NOT 100% like the entry has.
I always wonder what kind of high chair someone $it$ on, and who they li$ten too when deci$ion$ like this tran$pire. I also remember $omeone complaining when first place prize was no longer 40K.
$600 Entry would be Real, and acceptable in these times.
Gas, hotel, lodging, cabs, food, all these life items have increased, but NOT 100% like the entry has.
I always wonder what kind of high chair someone $it$ on, and who they li$ten too when deci$ion$ like this tran$pire. I also remember $omeone complaining when first place prize was no longer 40K.
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Jen,
I resemble that remark
Seriously, as much as I would like to play in the event, my friend and sometime entrant won't go for that figure. I'm sure there are lots of players like myself who would be excluded from the event based solely on the entry fee. My gut says there aren't 128 players across this great land who will risk $1000 to play head to head with the best of the best. No more guys like "dead money" to allow them to advance a round or two!
Lyn
I agree.
Instead of an entry fee of $1,000 plus hotel, flight and other expenses, I would prefer risking $1,000 to an unknown road hog coming through Buffalo Billiards in Metairie, LA.
If I lose the $1,000 gambling at home, I will still come out at least $1,000 less expensive. God help me if I win, getting some weight from the road dawg, well let's just say that would be a nice day.
JoeyA
Jen,
I resemble that remark
Seriously, as much as I would like to play in the event, my friend and sometime entrant won't go for that figure. I'm sure there are lots of players like myself who would be excluded from the event based solely on the entry fee. My gut says there aren't 128 players across this great land who will risk $1000 to play head to head with the best of the best. No more guys like "dead money" to allow them to advance a round or two!
Lyn
Hey, you're a Senior Pool Champion and a Weekend Warrior. Quite a difference from a shortstop. :wink:
But then, Joey, you wouldn't have the U.S. Open Championship title to put on your portfolio. Most of the pros that do go to Norfolk are gunning for that title. :grin-square:
Money spends but a championship title lasts forever.
