Mosconi Cup, Team USA, the real problem still exists.

[sonnymanila]

Mosconi Cup got it right, stick to short races. Make the crowd more involved. And for the US pool players/fans, respect tournament players that actually participate or win. Asian or European players, most of them don't sourgrape if they lose. They want to win a big tournament badly. Not just betting all the time.

 

[CJ Wiley]

I'm glad your favorite past time is posting on a pool forum about how bad pool is...

Well, I'm glad your favorite past time is posting on a pool forum about how bad pool is.....better call the coroner. :boring: Surely there's better things to do, isn't there?

Pool takes more skill to play than baseball, I've played both games a LOT and can say this with certainty and will debate it shot by shot with any living (or dead) human. Base ball is more popular, howver, if there's a "parallel universe" it's probably the exact opposite. LoL

If pool was any more dead, they'd have to call in the coroner

yet, 20 millions folks tuned in last night to watch an exhibition game. The vendors at baseball games make more than most professional pool players. I would not so easily discount the great American pastime

 

[cleary]

Pool takes more skill to play than baseball, I've played both games a LOT and can say this with certainty and will debate it shot by shot with any living (or dead) human. Base ball is more popular, howver, if there's a "parallel universe" it's probably the exact opposite. LoL

You are an absolute fool. Hitting a baseball is so tough, if you get a hit 40% of the time you're in the hall of fame. lol what a clown.

 

[one stroke]

Well, I'm glad your favorite past time is posting on a pool forum about how bad pool is.....better call the coroner. :boring: Surely there's better things to do, isn't there?

Pool takes more skill to play than baseball, I've played both games a LOT and can say this with certainty and will debate it shot by shot with any living (or dead) human. Base ball is more popular, howver, if there's a "parallel universe" it's probably the exact opposite. LoL

Beam me up Scotty there's no intelligent life form present here ,,


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[CJ Wiley]

"shot for shot" silly boy, not just hitting.....

You are an absolute fool. Hitting a baseball is so tough, if you get a hit 40% of the time you're in the hall of fame. lol what a clown.

 

[watchez]

I used to be an A ranked racquetball player and saw the same thing, you can only get a handful of spectators and it's near impossible to enjoy the game on TV due to the speed of the ball.

I am friends with Marty Hogan -- he has more money that would make most of the pool world jealous.

I didn't they're aren't custom club makers... but the majority of those 26 MILLION GOLFERS play with name brand clubs. And buy a new name brand driver every two years to get an extra 6yards into the woods. So the name brands bring in huge profit margins and that's why Calloway can pay Phil Mickelson so well.

Pool has less people to sell things to so the more companies making cues, the less each of them can possibly make. It's pretty basic economics.

To add to Cleary's point --- for golf, they have 'demo days' at every golf course, every golf merchandise outlet in the country. Ever see Predator, OB cues, McDermott, Schon do a tour of the pool rooms of the country? Golf has expos each year in each city -- pool has maybe three in the entire year and it is by region.

I also have a friend that plays on the Web.com tour. He gets more money in sponsorship per year than 99% of the pool players on the planet. Do you think anyone is going to run out and play with Titleist clubs because he is sponsored by them? NO But it helps Titleist when they can can state 56% of all touring pros (or whatever the number is) play with our equipment. The funny thing is he plays with an RBZ driver but has a Titleist head cover on it. That is how much they care.

 

[lost]

Well, I'm glad your favorite past time is posting on a pool forum about how bad pool is.....better call the coroner. :boring: Surely there's better things to do, isn't there?

Pool takes more skill to play than baseball, I've played both games a LOT and can say this with certainty and will debate it shot by shot with any living (or dead) human. Base ball is more popular, howver, if there's a "parallel universe" it's probably the exact opposite. LoL

Not sure if serious. You think they make millions in the major leagues because it is easier than pool? Pool is as 2-dimensional a game as there is. More so that even darts.
Again, my grandma can play pool and pockets balls...The best pool player I ever saw never even tried to make it a profession. He is the president of a large Philly area insurance company

 

[trinacria]

You are an absolute fool. Hitting a baseball is so tough, if you get a hit 40% of the time you're in the hall of fame. lol what a clown.

actually the famous saying is 30%, but whats 10% in a game all about numbers.
"Baseball is the only field of endeavor where a man can succeed three times out of ten and be considered a good performer." - Ted Williams

 

[trinacria]

Not sure if serious. You think they make millions in the major leagues because it is easier than pool? Pool is as 2-dimensional a game as there is. More so that even darts.
Again, my grandma can play pool and pockets balls...The best pool player I ever saw never even tried to make it a profession. He is the president of a large Philly area insurance company

baseball is losing fans fast. boring three and half hour games, 6 pitchers changes, pinch hitters, 30 seconds between pitches. its brutal to watch these days. and I'm a Mets fan, so imagine my horror.

 

[CJ Wiley]

Remember, it's about perspective, if you don't play baseball you probably..........

Come on, give your grandma more credit than that. I'm sure she could play baseball if she put her mind to it. . I have been around many pro baseball players in my career and they all marvel at what it takes to play pool.

Remember, it's about perspective, if you don't play baseball you probably wouldn't know how they feel about pool.....I know because they've all told me point blank......of course baseball players are tremendous athletes, however, in an all around test of skills pool is one of the most challenging games on this planet.....and as many people point out, it's also the poorest....however, that's another story and the two are not even closely related.

Not sure if serious. You think they make millions in the major leagues because it is easier than pool? Pool is as 2-dimensional a game as there is. More so that even darts.
Again, my grandma can play pool and pockets balls...The best pool player I ever saw never even tried to make it a profession. He is the president of a large Philly area insurance company

 

[Banks]

baseball is losing fans fast. boring three and half hour games, 6 pitchers changes, pinch hitters, 30 seconds between pitches. its brutal to watch these days. and I'm a Mets fan, so imagine my horror.

Must be why NYY had to ditch that old stadium.. not enough fans.

This is just ridiculous.

To even suggest that pool can compare to other sports that give ONE SINGLE PERSON a $100M+ contract, shows the immensity of the disconnect from reality.

Companies donate hundreds of dollars at a time to high school baseball teams to have a logo in the outfield or some blurb in a booklet. Really? You're trying to say that baseball is dying and that pool is somehow something more? Stop drinking from the CJ Koolaid bowl.

 

[CJ Wiley]

Even Wrestling has produced Billionaires. LoL

There's very little connection between salaries and skill levels in sports. Even Wrestling has produced Billionaires. LoL

Must be why NYY had to ditch that old stadium.. not enough fans.

This is just ridiculous.

To even suggest that pool can compare to other sports that give ONE SINGLE PERSON a $100M+ contract, shows the immensity of the disconnect from reality.

Companies donate hundreds of dollars at a time to high school baseball teams to have a logo in the outfield or some blurb in a booklet. Really? You're trying to say that baseball is dying and that pool is somehow something more? Stop drinking from the CJ Koolaid bowl.

 

[Jaden]

When it comes to the success of pool there are two things at fault...

and they are directly related to each other.

It's not that pool is boring, snooker is successful and it's just as boring, and there are many sports that are more boring than pool that are grandly successful.

No, the reasons that pro pool is not successful are two fold.

lack of proper marketing and lack of cohesiveness.

Until the latter is fixed, the first will never happen...

Jaden

 

[CJ Wiley]

that's life, the only thing that matters is what we do going forward.

Yes, it is because of the marketing, lack of cohesiveness, and strategic business planning. We had chances and blew it in the 90s, I still wish a few things would have been different, and that's life, the only thing that matters is what we do going forward.

The trouble with pool is it may be too difficult, poker doesn't have that problem, and anyone that's athletically inclined can play baseball if they choose to train for the game. Of course there are only X amount of pros, however that's more of a "supply and demand" issue.

and they are directly related to each other.

It's not that pool is boring, snooker is successful and it's just as boring, and there are many sports that are more boring than pool that are grandly successful.

No, the reasons that pro pool is not successful are two fold.

lack of proper marketing and lack of cohesiveness.

Until the latter is fixed, the first will never happen...

Jaden

 

[Jaden]

absolutely....

Yes, it is because of the marketing, lack of cohesiveness, and strategic business planning. We had chances and blew it in the 90s, I still wish a few things would have been different, and that's life, the only thing that matters is what we do going forward.

The trouble with pool is it may be too difficult, poker doesn't have that problem, and anyone that's athletically inclined can play baseball if they choose to train for the game. Of course there are only X amount of pros, however that's more of a "supply and demand" issue.

You are 100% correct... I have been saying this for years. Pool is TOO difficult for people.

We made the mistake of editing out the mistakes. No average league player or casual player can watch professional pool and have the willing suspension of disbelief that they could have or DID play at that level.

(all of those who put themselves through college hustling pool notwithstanding)

That is why it is essential, IMO, that we have tighter or bigger tables or both.

Pool is played at TOO high a level of competency at the highest level to make it easier to garner interest.

Do golf highlights, show the consistent perfectly average play that wins the tournaments??? NO!!!, It shows the amazing shots and then what REALLY gets people's interest, the sand shots, the muffs, the rough landings and horrible putts missed from 18".

This gives those once a month players with 15 handicaps the ability to say to themselves, on a good day, I could compete with those guys...

Could they??? Hell no, but they can more easily lie to themselves and say if they really applied themselves they might be able to.

That's NOT possible for the average pool player...

The high school football player or basketball player or collegiate athlete, can give themselves the what ifs from their arm chairs, the average pool player cannot do that.

Jaden

 

[cleary]

actually the famous saying is 30%, but whats 10% in a game all about numbers.
"Baseball is the only field of endeavor where a man can succeed three times out of ten and be considered a good performer." - Ted Williams

Yes, I understand that. I'm just saying nobody has ever hit .400 for their career and maybe 25 players have ever hit .400 in a season. It's just that hard. But of course CJ is amazing at baseball because it requires such little skill. That's why he's turned down multiple multimillion dollar contracts because his heart was in pool. :/

 

[Johnnyt]

Make gambling on pool at casinos legal and then put matches on TV in casinos. Then see how fast pool grows. Johnnyt

 

[cleary]

anyone that's athletically inclined can play baseball if they choose to train for the game. Of course there are only X amount of pros, however that's more of a "supply and demand" issue.

Yes, anyone who is athletically inclined can "play" baseball. That doesn't make them good at it.

Anyone who can bend over and walk can "play" pool. That doesn't make them good at it.

 

[jay helfert]

Not sure if serious. You think they make millions in the major leagues because it is easier than pool? Pool is as 2-dimensional a game as there is. More so that even darts.
Again, my grandma can play pool and pockets balls...The best pool player I ever saw never even tried to make it a profession. He is the president of a large Philly area insurance company

I like your name - LOST! Seems appropriate after reading this.

 

[CJ Wiley]

a player will go through and entire game, not touch the ball and still win

And anyone that "can" talk is capable of giving a speech to thousands of people.

Baseball does take skill, there's no doubt, I just wouldn't put it the same category with golf, tennis and pool. Sometimes a player will go through and entire game and not touch the ball, or even make mistakes (and still win) .....I'm pretty sure anyone could do that.

Yes, anyone who is athletically inclined can "play" baseball. That doesn't make them good at it.

Anyone who can bend over and walk can "play" pool. That doesn't make them good at it.