Dress Codes at the BCAPL

[lfigueroa]

Dress codes are tough for sure. While running a Joss event once a player pointed out a pro with no collar and said "Guess he's too good for the rules ey?" It was a collarless dress shirt that looked good and I pointed out one of the players that had a t shirt under an unbuttoned untucked flannel shirt he worn just meet the collar dress code and I asked "who would you rather have playing in your event?"
Kind of tough to put that on the refs though. You'll get a lot of people accusing refs of favoritism.

Now on the other hand I recently asked all of our national qualifiers to look nice as they were representing us and our mission. Most went out of their way to look good but some showed no effort at all? Now I have to babysit and write up what they can and cannot wear, I don't wanna lol

Joe, nobody wants to have to do it.

But you always have these school boys, malcontents, and button-pushers, that think they are special and have to show that they will not conform.

They are the guys that are generally lacking in basic social skills :-i Eventually they will get it. And if they don't, who cares.

Lou Figueroa

 

[cleary]

Dress codes are tough for sure. While running a Joss event once a player pointed out a pro with no collar and said "Guess he's too good for the rules ey?" It was a collarless dress shirt that looked good and I pointed out one of the players that had a t shirt under an unbuttoned untucked flannel shirt he worn just meet the collar dress code and I asked "who would you rather have playing in your event?"
Kind of tough to put that on the refs though. You'll get a lot of people accusing refs of favoritism.

Now on the other hand I recently asked all of our national qualifiers to look nice as they were representing us and our mission. Most went out of their way to look good but some showed no effort at all? Now I have to babysit and write up what they can and cannot wear, I don't wanna lol

Just try to look nice. It's common sense. My partner looked great, which was what they wanted. Should have been a non issue.

But either way, women don't wear collared shirts much. Kinda butch...

 

[lfigueroa]

Just try to look nice. It's common sense. My partner looked great, which was what they wanted. Should have been a non issue.

But either way, women don't wear collared shirts much. Kinda butch...

wa wa.

Lou Figueroa

 

[cleary]

Joe, nobody wants to have to do it.

But you always have these school boys, malcontents, and button-pushers, that think they are special and have to show that they will not conform.

They are the guys that are generally lacking in basic social skills :-i Eventually they will get it. And if they don't, who cares.

Lou Figueroa

btw (that means "by the way" for people not good with that kinda thing), I was 100% in code, didn't have a single issue with the way I was dressed and was complimented many times on the way I was dressed. Just an FYI. <--- that means "for your information"

 

[lfigueroa]

btw (that means "by the way" for people not good with that kinda thing), I was 100% in code, didn't have a single issue with the way I was dressed and was complimented many times on the way I was dressed. Just an FYI. <--- that means "for your information"

I am vey happy for you, lol.

Lou Figueroa

 

[jmurphy]

Just try to look nice. It's common sense. My partner looked great, which was what they wanted. Should have been a non issue.

But either way, women don't wear collared shirts much. Kinda butch...

The bottom line is she was with in the dress code. The Ref made a bad call. I think Lou is a bit wacked out, no one is trying to change the dress code we are only asking for the Refs to make the right call.
She had a nice pink dress on with sleeves and no collar. The dress code for women's attire allow for dresses with out collars.

 

[cleary]

The bottom line is she was with in the dress code. The Ref made a bad call. I think Lou is a bit wacked out, no one is trying to change the dress code we are only asking for the Refs to make the right call.
She had a nice pink dress on with sleeves and no collar. The dress code for women's attire allow for dresses with out collars.

He is wacked out. He just wants to fight and he's very out of touch. And you're correct, she was within the code in her lovely pink dress... But I do think they should change the dress code for females. Women typically dress a little better than a polo shirt as evidence by the WPBA ladies I posted earlier. It's a little backwards to force females to "look better" by looking worse.

 

[lfigueroa]

The bottom line is she was with in the dress code. The Ref made a bad call. I think Lou is a bit wacked out, no one is trying to change the dress code we are only asking for the Refs to make the right call.
She had a nice pink dress on with sleeves and no collar. The dress code for women's attire allow for dresses with out collars.

If the ref decided she was wearing a shirt and not a dress he actually made the right call per the dress code.

Sometimes organizations put out rules like that because they are targeting certain things. At one Fortune 300 corporation there is a dress code that says: no open-toed shoes for women. Now somewhat obviously there are some very stylish, professional looking open-toed shoes for women out there. But it's a large company with thousands of employees and they know that not everyone interprets stylish and professional the same way. What that company is actually targeting is flip-flops and they're trying to avoid having to argue about what's a flip-flop, so they end up with a pretty broad rule.

The thing with the CSI shirt/dress thing could easily be a similar case. Maybe they're just trying to avoid women wearing T-shirts. Doesn't matter whether it looks nice, they have to be consistent in applying the dress code.

You say it was a dress, the ref saw it otherwise, end of story.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

He is wacked out. He just wants to fight and he's very out of touch. And you're correct, she was within the code in her lovely pink dress... But I do think they should change the dress code for females. Women typically dress a little better than a polo shirt as evidence by the WPBA ladies I posted earlier. It's a little backwards to force females to "look better" by looking worse.

There's nothing whacked or out of touch about understanding why large organizations make and enforce rules.

There is however a remarkable level of immaturity in making such a fuss over complying with a simple dress code.

Lou Figueroa

 

[sbpoolleague]

We Were Shocked

Andrew - My partner and I were the ones you were playing when the ref came over and made the dress code decision. In my 10 years playing in this tourney I have never seen a ref go out of his way to do that without first having been complained to by another player. It was an unfortunate and unnecessary decision. No matter what they say she was wearing, she was conforming to the spirit of the rule. Hope to bump into you next July. You will probably be easy to spot.

 

[Kickin' Chicken]

Andrew, your doubles partner looked lovely to me.

Her pink 'dress' looks a little long to be considered a shirt, imo.

However, the fact that she wore the white leggin' dealies underneath is probably what caused the ref to rule it was a shirt and not a dress. Speculative, but very possible, I think.

What are the odds that a person who is so outspoken about dress codes would run into a dress code problem? :grin-square:

I believe the ref made a bad call and unlike a bad hit foul, for instance, that once called is a done deal, the ref could have (should have) listened to a reasonable appeal and reversed his decision.

best,
brian kc

 

[cleary]

Andrew - My partner and I were the ones you were playing when the ref came over and made the dress code decision. In my 10 years playing in this tourney I have never seen a ref go out of his way to do that without first having been complained to by another player. It was an unfortunate and unnecessary decision. No matter what they say she was wearing, she was conforming to the spirit of the rule. Hope to bump into you next July. You will probably be easy to spot.

It's nice to hear from someone who was there, first person and saw it unfold. First of all, it was a pleasure playing you both. You both played well. It couldn't have been closer but you beat us. Hats off to you both. Secondly, as you saw we were shocked as well and felt it was very undeserving. Clearly it's over and cannot change the past, but I hope to make a better future. And yes, I'm sure you'll see me next July. Cheers.

 

[pocket]

OP,

I know you won't agree. But I'll say it anyway. I think Lou's example of the opened toe shoe rule is dead on.

If the ref noticed her attire (I think she was very nicely dressed btw) they had to make the call.

If not they end up arguing with the next gal who says "hey, you made me change my t-shirt, why not hers? What do you mean its a dress, she's wearing pants!".

Best of luck.

 

[cleary]

OP,

I know you won't agree. But I'll say it anyway. I think Lou's example of the opened toe shoe rule is dead on.

If the ref noticed her attire (I think she was very nicely dressed btw) they had to make the call.

If not they end up arguing with the next gal who says "hey, you made me change my t-shirt, why not hers? What do you mean its a dress, she's wearing pants!".

Best of luck.

I think some people just are not understanding the point of this thread though. I understand why there is a dress code. I get it But my whole point is this... they implemented a dress code so that people dress nicer. Then people dress nicer and are forced to change into something less nice. If that doesn't make you scratch your head, something is wrong with you!

It's like getting caught eating celery at fat camp and they take it away because it's somehow not on their list of approved diet food. It's a perfectly healthy food, everyone knows it, but some asshat counselor likes to rule with an iron fist. Now some might sit back and accept that they overlooked celery and say "rules are rules", others will tell me "it's not your camp, don't like it don't go!", but me... I get celery on that list or go down trying.

 

[pocket]

Cleary, it's as simple as this:

Rule: No shirts without collars (unless they are nice). 'Nice' then becomes a point of contention that people will argue to the end of earth.

 

[MOJOE]

A little off topic but it's slow at work today. 40 replies to your own thread is pretty impressive give or take a few. But just to get back on topic, her pink dress was pretty darn nice!

 

[cleary]

Cleary, it's as simple as this:

Rule: No shirts without collars (unless they are nice). 'Nice' then becomes a point of contention that people will argue to the end of earth.

Common sense. You just need common sense. Celery is healthy. The dress looked nice. It's common sense.

Also, women don't typically wear shirts with collars. Their attempt at making people look nicer is making them look worse.

I understand your point but their code can be improved.

 

[cleary]

A little off topic but it's slow at work today. 40 replies to your own thread is pretty impressive give or take a few.

I'm an impressive person. lol

But just to get back on topic, her pink dress was pretty darn nice!

I agree. So did the ref! So did Ozzie (the new head of CSI)!!!!!!

Just leads us back to this... why is there a need for a code? Does this address THE NEED? I believe so.

 

[MOJOE]

I'd have to agree with Andrew on this one for sure. If you are dressed nicely I don't see why they would single her out. I have played in a few BCA National events myself and saw too many instances where people were not close to dress code and were not addressed. She would have been in the top percentage of the nicer dressed players IMHO.

 

[cleary]

I'd have to agree with Andrew on this one for sure. If you are dressed nicely I don't see why they would single her out. I have played in a few BCA National events myself and saw too many instances where people were not close to dress code and were not addressed. She would have been in the top percentage of the nicer dressed players IMHO.