Emily duddy pro or no

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Sir, what you (and many others in this thread) are trying to debate is skill level and that has nothing to do with whether she is a pro or not. I'm not knocking her skill level because I actually think she can play (although I'd love to meet up with her in a tournament). However, world rankings does not determine if one is a pro or not (man or woman). By definition, a pro is someone that makes their income by doing an activity or by doing something related to that activity. If she has pool sponsors, if she gets paid to make appearances at pool events, and if someone pays her to play pool (likely in the form of tournament entry fees paid by a sponsor) then she is a professional pool player.

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She probably works harder at her game, her brand to gain various sponsors that she can promote, and playing the part of a professional, more then 99% of this forum would if given the chance.
Whats wrong with someone working hard for what's in their best interests?

Regardless of her ability, she promotes the game better then a lot of the world class jam up playing slob/scumbags do.

this is true.....
 
Not so much that I'd care if Emily played in a tournament that I'm playing in (and I'm no pro) because even if I didn't beat her, I'd bet money that she wouldn't win an event against the level of non-pro players that I play with. We'd actually welcome her participation because a couple of us would end up with "I took down Emily Duddy" bragging rights.

However, as a guy I don't quite get it. Women claim that they want to be treated equally, yet they take advantage of situations like this if given the opportunity. If it were a world ranked male pro player, he would not be allowed to compete in an amateur event. So for women to be treated equally, they should take the good with the bad. That's just my .02.

I still revert to my original statement though. I wouldn't care if she were in a tournament that I was playing in.

What's not to get? If she were a guy that plays the same speed she'd be ranked the same. That sounds equal to me.
 
hey, I don't knock her, I hope she makes a million dollars. but in reality she won't be noticed for her looks, and we came here to judge pro or amateur status, and she's an amateur in skill level. her pro status is if she can make money playing pool, as in tournies, and as far as I know, shes not living off pool.

She is an amateur that plays in pro and amateur tourneys. It appears she makes her money off sponsors, selling posters, paid promotions, etc. It won't be off "pool winnings" but then how many pro's actually make a living off pool tourney payouts besides SVB and a he few others. Some dudes have retired just because it does not pay enough.

If she can play in the WPBA and make a living without every winning a tournament, heck, she should write a book about, that's pure genius.

I recall Minnesota Fats running around the country telling everyone he was the best that ever was.....not even close, but he made it work through marketing (changed his name to from NY Fats to Minnesota Fats) , told countless stories, many untrue, and kept the hype wagon in full mode and made a living at it with out one world or national championship under his belt.
 
Yes, but nobody is claiming she is a super model, geez, get a grip. if she walked in any bar in Amercia, she's gonna be noticed.

Many female athletes have done this, including our very own black widow. And Ms. Lee is good looking, but she is few notches below super model status.

Sex sells, or have you not noticed? I'd love to see a photo of your "partner" for comparison purposes, I mean, if you could stand the "heat" :rolleyes:

If a female that was 400 pounds walked into a bar she would get noticed also. and to even put duddy on the same level as jeanette is an insult . because number one jeanette is a good player and has done so much for our sport and has won and competed on a very high level and has talent, yes she also has sponsors and plays the pretty girl card too but she not only looks good she plays good pool. Duddy is just an average C player with minimal talent, and on a beauty scale of 1-10 is maybe a 2 . The reason why she is able to get sponsors is simply because there are not enough woman that play good pool and new companies are trying to get there product out there so she fits the bill. Ok so this thread is asking if she is a pro or not and the answer is simple. ABSOLUTELY NOT. and for the wpba to give her that title is an insult to all the females that deserve and earned that title through hard work and practice and having talent. Because the fact remains that lee,fisher,corr,vivian,jasman,kim,poe,webb,and the list goes on have more talent playing oposite hand than duddy has playing her actual speed.
 
Fasteddie doesnt have a problem with the fact that She calls herself a pro. What he has a problem with is the fact that she IS a pro, and RANKED as a PRO. Yet she is allowed to play in an amature event. I personally agree with Fasteddie. If you are Ranked as a pro you shouldnt be allowed to enter Amature events. Yes I agree that she really is about a C+ to B- at best, yet the womens governing bodies of pool recognize her as a PRO.....End Of Story... BTW would you let Karen Coor play in the amatures I didnt think so.......Rank is Rank......period.....

Oh please, if an 'amateur' event has prize money up for grabs then it's no longer an amateur event by any traditional definition. Besides, would you really be okay with allowing some road player like, say, Chris Bartrum play in an event and yet barring Emily? That makes no sense at all.
 
wow there...

If a female that was 400 pounds walked into a bar she would get noticed also. and to even put duddy on the same level as jeanette is an insult . because number one jeanette is a good player and has done so much for our sport and has won and competed on a very high level and has talent, yes she also has sponsors and plays the pretty girl card too but she not only looks good she plays good pool. Duddy is just an average C player with minimal talent, and on a beauty scale of 1-10 is maybe a 2 . The reason why she is able to get sponsors is simply because there are not enough woman that play good pool and new companies are trying to get there product out there so she fits the bill. Ok so this thread is asking if she is a pro or not and the answer is simple. ABSOLUTELY NOT. and for the wpba to give her that title is an insult to all the females that deserve and earned that title through hard work and practice and having talent. Because the fact remains that lee,fisher,corr,vivian,jasman,kim,poe,webb,and the list goes on have more talent playing oposite hand than duddy has playing her actual speed.

Questioning whether someone ranked as a pro on the women's tour should be allowed to play in an amateur event is one thing, directly insulting them is quite another.

It is tasteless, rude and reprehensible...

You, sir, should be ashamed of yourself. People DO have feelings and as the old adage goes, if you don't have something good to say, keep your goddamned mouth shut...

Jaden

p.s. I do not know, have never met, nor have I ever seen Emily Duddy play pool and that should have no bearing on this anyways...
 
She is an amateur that plays in pro and amateur tourneys. It appears she makes her money off sponsors, selling posters, paid promotions, etc. It won't be off "pool winnings" but then how many pro's actually make a living off pool tourney payouts besides SVB and a he few others. Some dudes have retired just because it does not pay enough.

If she can play in the WPBA and make a living without every winning a tournament, heck, she should write a book about, that's pure genius.

I recall Minnesota Fats running around the country telling everyone he was the best that ever was.....not even close, but he made it work through marketing (changed his name to from NY Fats to Minnesota Fats) , told countless stories, many untrue, and kept the hype wagon in full mode and made a living at it with out one world or national championship under his belt.
well, than its not about pool, its about herself, which in turn makes this a completely irrelevant thread. phillyviper said jeanette at least was a pool player before being noticed for her looks. looks like the trend is going to be a self promoter before a pool player. this discussion is over on that alone if you ask me.
 
Sir, what you (and many others in this thread) are trying to debate is skill level and that has nothing to do with whether she is a pro or not. I'm not knocking her skill level because I actually think she can play (although I'd love to meet up with her in a tournament). However, world rankings does not determine if one is a pro or not (man or woman). By definition, a pro is someone that makes their income by doing an activity or by doing something related to that activity. If she has pool sponsors, if she gets paid to make appearances at pool events, and if someone pays her to play pool (likely in the form of tournament entry fees paid by a sponsor) then she is a professional pool player.

Sorry but no, in sports you're only truly considered an 'amateur' if you've never taken any prize money or payment at all for your sport. That's the standard in golf, tennis, NCAA and a host of others. There's probably not a poster on this board who would still be an amateur based on that definition either.
 
Karen is AA...not b+ like the person being discussed...lets not confuse aa with b+...there is a bit of difference there.

I was going to argue the point more, but I figure whats the point. I will mention however that Im pretty sure, you and fasteddie are good examples of why most normal people stay away from leagues (too many stupid nits). You are a league player, right?

OMG ARE YOU DENSE They are Both Pro's...................And PRO'S Shouldn't Play in AMATEUR EVENTS OMG why cant people see the point,

Any Pro regardless or their rating should NEVER be allowed to play in ANY AMATEUR events Period
 
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If you can't beat the 9 Ball Ghost on a fairly tight 9' table how can you ever be considered a Pro Player?
Men's & Women's Professional Pool needs a Q-School.
If you can't meet minimum standards you should never get Pro Status
and thus not be allowed in a Pro sectioned event because it's an insult to the true Pro Players.
 
Questioning whether someone ranked as a pro on the women's tour should be allowed to play in an amateur event is one thing, directly insulting them is quite another.

It is tasteless, rude and reprehensible...

You, sir, should be ashamed of yourself. People DO have feelings and as the old adage goes, if you don't have something good to say, keep your goddamned mouth shut...

Jaden

p.s. I do not know, have never met, nor have I ever seen Emily Duddy play pool and that should have no bearing on this anyways...

I speak my mind and don't bit my tongue. i addressed my opinion that she is not a good player and that she dont look good either. man others have expressed these same views. and for the record i dont care what anyone thinks about me or my views.IF I HURT SOMEONES FEELINGS SO BE IT. sometimes the true hurts. But i play pool and i want people to be judged on there ability and not how they look in make up and a mini skirt. I LIKE TO GAMBLE SO IM ALWAYS AVAILABLE IF ANYONE WANTS TO COME TO PHILLY AND PLAY SOME. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA EMILLY GOT THE WILD 6 AND THE BREAKS 2 GAMES ON THE WIRE GOING TO 11. FROM THE GIRL I GOT HERE .
 
I for one would play in any tournament that Emily plays in. I could care less if anyone thinks she is considered a pro or not. I like to compete with anyone anywhere because I love to play pool that much. Emily if you read this nonsense PLEASE remember some of us could care less about your 'PRO' status. Your another competitor, not more nor less!
 
The root cause problem here is lack of a unifying organization that publishes guidelines that defines professional and amateur. The PGA of America certainly does. One could win the US Amateur 40 years in a row by 10 strokes and assuming they kept their amateur status, come back and play in the 41st year.

IMHO, amateur vs professional status should be differentiated by $. An unsponsored player who earns less than $xx.xx per year should retain their amateur status. A fully sponsored player or one who earns more than a specified amount is a professional. From there, the responsibility lies with the tournament directors to label their tournaments as amateur, open or professional.

Tying eligibility to a completely ambiguous skill ranking system is absurd. Amateur vs. Professional traditionally has not been tied to skill level in any sport I'm familiar with.
 
Sorry but no, in sports you're only truly considered an 'amateur' if you've never taken any prize money or payment at all for your sport. That's the standard in golf, tennis, NCAA and a host of others. There's probably not a poster on this board who would still be an amateur based on that definition either.

There are amateurs, semi-professionals, and professionals.

sem·i·pro·fes·sion·al
/ˌsemēprəˈfeSHənl,ˌsemˌī-/

adjective
adjective: semi-professional

1. receiving payment for an activity but not relying entirely on it for a living.
"a semiprofessional musician"
•involving or suitable for people engaged in an activity on a semiprofessional basis.
"training at the semiprofessional level"

noun
noun: semi-professional

1. a person who is engaged in an activity on a semiprofessional basis.

Duddy definitely isn't an amateur, but most people in this thread are debating skill level rather than professional status.
 
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I speak my mind and don't bit my tongue. i addressed my opinion that she is not a good player and that she dont look good either. man others have expressed these same views. and for the record i dont care what anyone thinks about me or my views.IF I HURT SOMEONES FEELINGS SO BE IT. sometimes the true hurts. But i play pool and i want people to be judged on there ability and not how they look in make up and a mini skirt. I LIKE TO GAMBLE SO IM ALWAYS AVAILABLE IF ANYONE WANTS TO COME TO PHILLY AND PLAY SOME. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA EMILLY GOT THE WILD 6 AND THE BREAKS 2 GAMES ON THE WIRE GOING TO 11. FROM THE GIRL I GOT HERE .

That's because your an immature troll. Of course you speak your tongue, on an internet forum. Again, post some pics of your "lady", if you even have one :rolleyes: but I bet you don't have the balls to do it. Let us see what she looks like, c'mon, what are you afraid of ??? We'll give an honest opinion of her... and if she takes "air" it don't count ;)
 
viper you have a girl that wants to give emily the wild 6?
you cant put adam in a dress
im not touting emily im saying i doubt you have an A player girl wanting to gamble
 
Why in the world would you post this vitriolic diatribe? What did she do to you personally? Do you even KNOW Emily? No? Didn't think so. Personal attacks are not only not allowed, but seriously looked down on. Emily's sponsors use her because they believe she offers them value...that's fact, not speculation, like your ridiculous statement about sponsorships. Post up a video of your skill and let us decide how "minimal" your talent is, before you go judging somone else. Regardless of her alleged skill level, she is recognized by the WPBA, and is sponsored. Those two things make her a professional. I happen to agree with others that she is a very good representative for the sport. I also agree that regardless of her skill level, as a listed pro player, she should not elect to participate in amateur tournaments. That can, however, be bypassed at the discretion of the TD. What will not be tolerated, is a personal dirogatory attack on someone's looks. :mad:

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If a female that was 400 pounds walked into a bar she would get noticed also. and to even put duddy on the same level as jeanette is an insult . because number one jeanette is a good player and has done so much for our sport and has won and competed on a very high level and has talent, yes she also has sponsors and plays the pretty girl card too but she not only looks good she plays good pool. Duddy is just an average C player with minimal talent, and on a beauty scale of 1-10 is maybe a 2 . The reason why she is able to get sponsors is simply because there are not enough woman that play good pool and new companies are trying to get there product out there so she fits the bill. Ok so this thread is asking if she is a pro or not and the answer is simple. ABSOLUTELY NOT. and for the wpba to give her that title is an insult to all the females that deserve and earned that title through hard work and practice and having talent. Because the fact remains that lee,fisher,corr,vivian,jasman,kim,poe,webb,and the list goes on have more talent playing oposite hand than duddy has playing her actual speed.
 
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Here's a perfect example of why many people feel that the forums are less visited. This is a COMMUNITY bub, and if you don't like being here peacefully, perhaps you need a vacation... Can anyone hear the ban hammer falling? :grin-square:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

for the record i dont care what anyone thinks about me or my views.IF I HURT SOMEONES FEELINGS SO BE IT. .
 
Who cares? As long as she's making an honest living, playing tourneys and winning endorsements...
 
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