Cuemakers, Pro Players & AZ

JoeyInCali said:
More yapping and fact-spinning from you.
You're the one that made that Mezz issue personal.
If the owner of Mezz can vilify me for honoring his father's work, go ahead.
Send him the link where I said the old Adams cue ( outside of R era Schons ) were the best production cues ever . And that today's production cues are not as good as those full-splice ebony.

Face it, you're a looney who just likes to argue in THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of words .
When there are flame wars here, YOU are often in the middle of it .

I'll tell it your face you're a pathological liar and manipulative ahole .
B/c that thread and your PM's proved it to me .
You don't scare me one bit .
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Blah blah blah blah blah.....and you accuse me of spinning. We will see if you will face me when I show up in LA. As I said I don't intend you any harm...waking up each day and seeing yourself in the mirror is enough life punishment. But I will buy you a beer or a chocolate milk whatever your preference is and let you rant at me, calling me names and saying what a terrible human I am.

See here you are defaming me even more knowing you won't be censored.

When there is a flame war then you and those like you are the arsonists.
 
Please point to any video I have done on YouTube that defames another person.

"Defamation—also calumny, vilification, and traducement—is the communication of a false statement that harms the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government, religion, or nation."
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The last case maker video that you posted. The one where you ripped apart another case makers case.

You cleverly tried to disguise the video as one that you designed to help this person make better cases.

All it was in the end was you showing everyone all the perceived flaws in another persons product.

Of course, you didn't see it like that. Many of us did.

It is what it is.
 
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galipeau said:
Hmmmm, I know a way we can resolve this... Does Joey play one pocket??
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The last challenge match with Lou & John was entertaining that's for sure.
John may have an 0-1 record, but he's got a challenge bout under his belt, and at 0-1,
he is overdue to win one.
The nod may have to go to JB on this one
 
JoeyInCali said:
No, I don't .

And my eyes are 20/400.
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Well, you make damn good looking cues for someone who has poor vision! I'm sorry y'all have beef, and hopefully this can die down eventually. It's ironic that this was a thread about the BS that goes on on this forum and it actually turned into a full blown argument... Oh well, life goes on outside the interweb.
 
JoeyInCali said:
No, I don't .
I'm not going to practice for months either just to play him.
And my eyes are 20/400.

We can man up and see who the keyboard warrior is .
I weigh 160, and I don't care how much he weighs.
I'm tired of his yapping and lies.
That is not a threat, as he has the prerogative to PM me or not.
I'm not following him either .
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Just put him on ignore. He never shuts up and then turns these threads into a manifesto. It happens over and over. Between him and a few others, my brain is much better off for not having to try to resist the urge to respond to absolutely ridiculous posts that they make nonstop.

In my first few years, he'd toss out the "Bet $5,000, that's how we handled things at the hall when I grew up suckling at the teet of pros, before I wrote their diaries for them", then all of the sudden he's the victim and he doesn't start anything. In between, it's 10,000 words of dumb.
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
The last case maker video that you posted. The one where you ripped apart another case makers case.

You cleverly tried to disguise the video as one that you designed to help this person make better cases.

All it was in the end was you showing everyone all the perceived flaws in another persons product.

Of course, you didn't see it like that. Many of us did.

It is what it is.
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Those aren't perceived flaws they are real flaws. And I was quite clear in the video as to my motivations. I say it CLEARLY. I just watched it the other day and I say clearly why I am doing it, what my motivation is and what my bias is.

And many others saw it the exact opposite of you, they saw me pointing out things that the case maker could do better.

And IN FACT the case maker responded by improving his product. He makes stronger handles and has copied our rubber bottoms to improve his product. That's a win for consumers.

So what's your problem now?
 
Banks said:
Just put him on ignore. He never shuts up and then turns these threads into a manifesto. It happens over and over. Between him and a few others, my brain is much better off for not having to try to resist the urge to respond to absolutely ridiculous posts that they make nonstop.

In my first few years, he'd toss out the "Bet $5,000, that's how we handled things at the hall when I grew up suckling at the teet of pros, before I wrote their diaries for them", then all of the sudden he's the victim and he doesn't start anything. In between, it's 10,000 words of dumb.
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And who bet 10k on their conviction? I did. So there you go. Don't see any of you cowards stepping up.

You talk about yapping but that's ALL you do. Play the china card, play the race card, be a bigot, troll and defame....that's ALL YOU DO.

That is how we handle it at the pool room. If you think you're right then BET on it.

But very few of you on this forum are willing to bet that you're alive. But yapping and defaming others you can do for free so why not?
 
JB Cases said:
Please point to any video I have done on YouTube that defames another person.

"Defamation—also calumny, vilification, and traducement—is the communication of a false statement that harms the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government, religion, or nation."

I have not written anything or said anything about anyone here as a point of fact that I cannot prove.

Others have written and said plenty about me and my business that they cannot prove in an attempt to harm my reputation and my business.

Lou Figueroa called Stan Shuffett a snake oil sales man and con artist (or something to that effect) with zero censure at all.

You just accused Shane Van Boening of breaking his contract with his sponsor. And even when several other people pointed out you were wrong you still didn't retract it.

Do you have the balls to make the same statement on Shane's facebook page?

I didn't think you would. Maybe because you don't have the balls to say it to Shane's face whenever he is there at Hard Times for tournaments.

So go ahead and provide your evidence if you have any.
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ah, the video you made before our match in which you ranted endlessly at me. (Yes, I know you took it down.)

And, John, the only one who has ever defamed Stan here is you, when for five months before our match you went on, and on, and on about how your aiming system was going to crush the "feel" player.

Personally I think any jury in the country would not only find you guilty, they'd award damages once they saw the video of you shooting.

Lou Figueroa
 

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JoeyInCali said:
I'd rather knock your teeth out for free.
With your consent to a man to man settlement of course.
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nah, I don't want to hurt you or be hurt by you. Of course you are free to assault me and suffer the consequences if any. Like I said, I am content knowing that you wake up every day in the skin you're in.

I think you're too cowardly to actually do anything but if you do then we will see what happens. If I were you I'd build yourself a fighting stick out of some of the triple aged honduran zebra wood that you inherited, you might need it if you try to assault me. Then again, maybe your fighting stick attack will be perceived as a threat to my life and met with deadly force, never know how these things will go once they turn violent.

Better to talk it out and get all your emotions out and walk away peacefully.

Threatening violence is a bully move though and not meant in the british way either.
 
I don't have any problems John. I just found that particular video to be on the distasteful side.

You could have just shown others how JB cases are made, handles etc, and the people that it concerned could have taken that as advice. If they chose to take note, they could have easily saw the difference between how you perform certain tasks as opposed to them.

"You could have said, "This is how we at JB Cases attach our handles". "I have seen on other products where this isn't done as we do, so this may be a point of interest for those who want to make their product stronger". Its simple, you can get your point across without ripping another case makers case apart in front of everyone. I know that you will never admit it, but that is exactly how I saw it.

Pros who make instructional DVDs don't rip apart other Pros techniques in order to make a point. I have never seen one do it.

I'm basically a happy person John. I know that you don't care for my brand of humor but I get tons of Greens thanking me for a laugh. That makes me feel great.

I get the odd Red one too, but I spend my time trying to make others have a good laugh. I do that in person as well.

Why don't I have tons of stalkers? I must be doing something wrong.
 
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lfigueroa said:
ah, the video you made before our match in which you ranted endlessly at me. (Yes, I know you took it down.)

And, John, the only one who has ever defamed Stan here is you, when for five months before our match you went on, and on, and on about how your aiming system was going to crush the "feel" player.

Personally I think any jury in the country would not only find you guilty, they'd award damages once they saw the video of you shooting.

Lou Figueroa
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I never said one thing in that video that wasn't true.

Why don't you play Stan? Are you scared of him? Stan has never played any serious one pocket in his life as far as I know.

You beat the cheerleader now play the player.

I have 20k right now to back him and I am sure he will come to you. Liesomemore, put your boy in the box.
 
JB Cases said:
nah, I don't want to hurt you or be hurt by you. Of course you are free to assault me and suffer the consequences if any. Like I said, I am content knowing that you wake up every day in the skin you're in.

I think you're too cowardly to actually do anything but if you do then we will see what happens. If I were you I'd build yourself a fighting stick out of some of the triple aged honduran zebra wood that you inherited, you might need it if you try to assault me. Then again, maybe your fighting stick attack will be perceived as a threat to my life and met with deadly force, never know how these things will go once they turn violent.

Better to talk it out and get all your emotions out and walk away peacefully.

Threatening violence is a bully move though and not meant in the british way either.
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Yawn.
Meaning you won't man up.
We get it.
 
Quesports said:
Well the recent threads by and about a cue maker have got me to thinking. Most professional players avoid AZ like the plague as do many, many cue makers. Seems to me that there is a correlation between the two. I have done business with some top tier cue makers and have seen them surf here and get the biggest chuckle out of all the nonsense that goes on. None of them would ever post here but enjoy all the antics immensely. I assume there are just as many pro players doing the same. This all makes me think WTF?? . So I am wondering is the AZ community toxic and/or is society so screwed up that we are broken beyond repair or both?
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If I had to take a stab at this for the pros side of it I would just say that most pros don't really have the time or energy to deal with posting on this site. They don't care what s/n poolplayer1244 or some random says about them as a player or person. They are busy working on their game, playing, or just living their every day life with their families. Why should a pro care to post on here? Several do post and take the time to share some information with us and I respect and enjoy reading what they say. They are able to fade the comments disagreeing with what they post as some members are respectful with questioning their opinions and others are not.

I would probably sh*t my pants if all of a sudden one day Efren started a thread for people to ask questions or some other player I admire, but I don't see it happening. These people have lives and AZ is not a part of it. It is what it is. There are some good people and discussions on here, you just need to weed out the good and bad information posted.
 
Quesports said:
Well the recent threads by and about a cue maker have got me to thinking. Most professional players avoid AZ like the plague as do many, many cue makers. Seems to me that there is a correlation between the two. I have done business with some top tier cue makers and have seen them surf here and get the biggest chuckle out of all the nonsense that goes on. None of them would ever post here but enjoy all the antics immensely. I assume there are just as many pro players doing the same. This all makes me think WTF?? . So I am wondering is the AZ community toxic and/or is society so screwed up that we are broken beyond repair or both?
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Does this thread answer your questions? Lol, we have bashing each others personalities, bashing each others products, bashing each others appearance and even an offer for a physical fight. Pool players have to be the most mature lot I've ever met.
 
JB Cases said:
If I were you I'd build yourself a fighting stick out of some of the triple aged honduran zebra wood that you inherited
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I would like to use that for a scene in the movie I'm writing about a serial killer
cuemaker who uses blocks of exotic hardwood to bludgeon poolplayers to death, then
turns the wood blocks into beautiful custom pool cues.
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
I don't have any problems John. I just found that particular video to be on the distasteful side.

You could have just shown others how JB cases are made, handles etc, and the people that it concerned could have taken that as advice. If they chose to take note, they could have easily saw the difference between how you perform certain tasks as opposed to them.

Instead, you used anothers product in order to achieve your means.

Pros who make instructional DVDs don't rip apart other Pros techniques in order to make a point. I have never seen one do it.

I'm basically a happy person John. I know that you don't care for my brand of humor but I get tons of Greens thanking me for a laugh. That makes me feel great.

I get the odd Red one too, but I spend my time trying to make others have a good laugh. I do that in person as well.

Why don't I have tons of stalkers? I must be doing something wrong.
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Well you wanted to use it an example of defamation. That's not it.

As for distasteful, you have zero remorse or apology when I find something you said distasteful so why should I care whether you like what I say or not?

People whose opinions matter to me are people I will listen to. People who spend their time knocking, even if they think it's funny to do so, don't matter to me as to what they think.

You don't have stalkers because you're not anyone worth stalking.
 
cuesblues said:
I would like to use that for a scene in the movie I'm writing about a serial killer
cuemaker who uses blocks of exotic hardwood to bludgeon poolplayers to death, then
turns the wood blocks into beautiful custom pool cues.
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And calls his mystery wood BLOODWOOD.......
 
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