You can learn but it's not the same. My game jumped quite a bit after consistently playing top level players for several years. There are many reasons but there is a difference between watching a game and being involved in it.
Pool Myths Explained
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You can learn but it's not the same. My game jumped quite a bit after consistently playing top level players for several years. There are many reasons but there is a difference between watching a game and being involved in it.
I know exactly what you are talking about.
I know a pool player that plays at the highest level. He doesn't play for months and even years and shows up and wins tournaments with pros in them. Even tournaments full of pros. He decided to play golf one day and someone showed him how to hold the club and he shot even par his first 18 holes. Sworn to by the guy who played with him.
When he first told me that I didn't believe it. But then after watching him win tournaments after literally not touching his cue for months...And watching him do this for decades. I believed it. His brain just 'clicks' a certain way and he gets it. And then he does it. Unfortunately he doesn't really care about pool that much (or golf) or he would be very well known. As it is he just likes to come out of the woodwork once in a while and give top players fits.
Can he beat SVB - no way. Although I'd like to see the match because maybe he would. He can beat a whole lot of people you wouldn't think he could though.
Waitress Myth
The waitress always arrives with your drink while you are down on the shot and shooting the double hill nine ball. Actually, it's about a 50% chance.
Depends on who I'm playing and how much I get to shoot.
Bridge Myth
People who borrow the bridge from your table never return it. Actually, it is only nearly never.
Yes, pretty much never.
Miscue Myth
When you miscue, it is the tip's fault. Actually, it is opponent's fault.
Actually, it's the waitresses fault
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We shouldn't play. I get those rolls ALL THE TIME.
Just kidding. Hope you're doing well.
That works too, but in that case, you can still miss because you know your chances will come and the flow of the game is mostly under your control.
It's nothing like the pressure of having a lion by the tail, and having to play better than you've ever played before just to avoid being eaten alive.
Myth. Pre Flag Master chalk is the same as Master Chalk.
Myth. CTE is an aiming system that actually works.
Cost you ten large to find that out.
Myth. CTE is an aiming system that actually works.
Cost you ten large to find that out.
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+1, and on that point...
Myth: if you play pool and you aim your shots, you have an 'aiming system'.
Ron Swanson
Banned
Myth: CTE, or any other aiming system, is going to take the world of pocket billiards by storm. Never, ever going to happen. You'll have to prise the ghostball out of my cold, dead hand before i let that happen.
It is shameful this site tolerates such drivel. If this game is to grow it must have the balls to drive oportunistic nonsense away. It is perpetuated by zealots and whiney fundamentalist whackos, who either know no better or flat-out cannot play, often both.
How DARE they dictate what is taught around here? The aiming forum is a vehicle for them alone - how he hell did that happen? I'm all in favour of them having a dark recess all of their own, well away from where they can do any damage, but an aiming forum should be open to all views, surely?
Which leads me on to...
Myth: Barton hates Wilson. Wilson panders to the CTE aiming lobby shamelessly (whine about it and he will ban!) Suits his agenda just fine if you ask me...
It is shameful this site tolerates such drivel. If this game is to grow it must have the balls to drive oportunistic nonsense away. It is perpetuated by zealots and whiney fundamentalist whackos, who either know no better or flat-out cannot play, often both.
How DARE they dictate what is taught around here? The aiming forum is a vehicle for them alone - how he hell did that happen? I'm all in favour of them having a dark recess all of their own, well away from where they can do any damage, but an aiming forum should be open to all views, surely?
Which leads me on to...
Myth: Barton hates Wilson. Wilson panders to the CTE aiming lobby shamelessly (whine about it and he will ban!) Suits his agenda just fine if you ask me...
If the Aiming forum bothers you so much, why do you even go there? Especially when you're in favor of them "having a dark recess all their own" but then lament the fact that you can't post there / "express your views" (double-quotes intentional)? You can't have your cake, and eat it, too.
Or, is it the fact that you hate not having the ability to "convert" people? ("All ye aiming people, come hither to know how to do it correctly.") If that's the case, the problem is not the aiming crowd, but a control issue...
-Sean
Ron Swanson
Banned
"LOL." (Yep, I can do that, too, Tim/TheThaiger.)
The question is valid. You don't have to go there. But yet you do, and like a moth to a flame, you get burned.
I don't go places that bother or don't interest me. No irony there.
-Sean
Ron Swanson
Banned
First they came for Sean Leinen and i did not speak out because i am not Sean Leinen...
JoeyA
Very provocative thread Joey. It was getting very mundane on here. Nice to see a good thread occasionally, not just gibberish.
Very provocative thread Joey. It was getting very mundane on here. Nice to see a good thread occasionally, not just gibberish.
Myth: Doing drills is a waste of time because the balls are set up that way in a game, and the only way to improve is playing.
Truth: Drills help you work on your stroke (which is needed in all games) or specific shots that come up repeatedly in games. If you told a football player he could only get better by scrimmaging and not working on specific skills he'd look at you like you had 2 heads.
Truth: Drills help you work on your stroke (which is needed in all games) or specific shots that come up repeatedly in games. If you told a football player he could only get better by scrimmaging and not working on specific skills he'd look at you like you had 2 heads.
Joey,
I've been very busy the last few days, but I'll try to assemble my list and add others from the thread soon (hopefully today).
Catch you later,
Dave
• wrist twist • a myth or not? •
Personally, I think that twisting the wrist is one of those "techniques" that people use to accomplish something that they think can't be accomplished with other methods and for them in particular, that is true.
I have used the wrist twist technique with good success and I have seen players much better than myself use it with good success. Still, I am not convinced that the same result can't be accomplished with a more traditional approach.
That being said, I think that for some of us (me included), we sometimes find limited success with traditional methods and opt to try something a bit more unique or abstract and find that we can accomplish the goal with a different approach or perspective. That doesn't mean that our unique perspective is the only way to accomplish the goal. It simply means that this is the way that we can get the job done.
As to the wrist twist being able to add more spin to the cue ball than traditional methods, the school is out for me. I am pretty sure that angle of insertion, speed and location of tip is far more important to adding spin to the cue ball. It is possible that wrist twist may add some mini-masse to the cue ball thereby enabling what seems to be more spin to the cue ball. Wrist twist may increase the speed of the tip, striking/swiping the cue ball but speed of striking the cue ball can be increased with traditional methods. Who knows, maybe people with fast-twitch muscles don't need to wrist twist to get extra spin on the cue ball.
If twisting your wrist gets the cue ball to do what you need it to do, then by all means use it. The same thing goes for any other "technique", "myth", "quasi-myth". For my personal taste, I like to see the science that says that something is a "myth".
Wrist twist will likely be one of the hardest "myths" to bust, imo, not because it is true or not, but because the action will be so difficult to compare with traditional methods of applying side spin.
Anyway, thanks for adding to the lively discussion about pool myths.
JoeyA
Personally, I think that twisting the wrist is one of those "techniques" that people use to accomplish something that they think can't be accomplished with other methods and for them in particular, that is true.
I have used the wrist twist technique with good success and I have seen players much better than myself use it with good success. Still, I am not convinced that the same result can't be accomplished with a more traditional approach.
That being said, I think that for some of us (me included), we sometimes find limited success with traditional methods and opt to try something a bit more unique or abstract and find that we can accomplish the goal with a different approach or perspective. That doesn't mean that our unique perspective is the only way to accomplish the goal. It simply means that this is the way that we can get the job done.
As to the wrist twist being able to add more spin to the cue ball than traditional methods, the school is out for me. I am pretty sure that angle of insertion, speed and location of tip is far more important to adding spin to the cue ball. It is possible that wrist twist may add some mini-masse to the cue ball thereby enabling what seems to be more spin to the cue ball. Wrist twist may increase the speed of the tip, striking/swiping the cue ball but speed of striking the cue ball can be increased with traditional methods. Who knows, maybe people with fast-twitch muscles don't need to wrist twist to get extra spin on the cue ball.
If twisting your wrist gets the cue ball to do what you need it to do, then by all means use it. The same thing goes for any other "technique", "myth", "quasi-myth". For my personal taste, I like to see the science that says that something is a "myth".
Wrist twist will likely be one of the hardest "myths" to bust, imo, not because it is true or not, but because the action will be so difficult to compare with traditional methods of applying side spin.
Anyway, thanks for adding to the lively discussion about pool myths.
JoeyA
COOL!
Don't be in a rush. It looks like the Main Forum AZB members are digging deep. :smile:
JoeyA