Johnny Archer

[PINKLADY]

back on topic - i understand what you're getting at, OP. what you're missing is that it's Matchroom's ballgame.... (see CLEARY's post & follow the $,$$$,$$$)

how accessible was Mosconi for the US to view? miniscule. WHY? because USA isn't their target audience. WHY? lack of revenue. ----> did YOU pay $5 for the PPV stream...?

as for the players, they get paid $10K-$20K & expenses covered (albeit arrears @ 2 wks). not bad for a week's work.... JA was paid for last year, right? so he hit it last year & not this year - split the difference & shoot for next.

(like Deschaine - let the derail resume)

 

[SakuJack]

That would be quite a match to see!

There's a strong contingency of Mike Dechaine supporters in New England region. Everybody likes to root for the home team. I get that.

At this stage of his career, he has not attained anywhere near the accomplishments that Johnny Archer has in Johnny's career. I think sometimes people have selective memory when it comes to comparing one player to another player, especially when they come from different eras.

That would be like comparing, say, Buddy Hall to Shane Van Boening today. Of course, the younger pool enthusiasts will claim Shane is much better than Buddy Hall ever thought about being, mainly because they have never seen Buddy Hall in his prime. It's two different eras in pool. There's no comparison that can ever be made becuase Buddy Hall in his prime will never get the opportunity to play Shane Van Boening in his prime.

If Mike Dechaine exerts more effort into a little PR to reach out to people who don't know him and don't live in the New England region, it would do him more good, I think, in the long run. Sure, he can play and is a strong player, no question. Is he of the same caliber as Johnny Archer? Not even close. But Mike is still in the middle of his career and has many more years to climb that ladder. I wish him all the very best!

Eh? Nobody's talking prime versus prime. They're talking about Dechaine in current form versus Archer in current form.

 

[1984]

A big money match between Johnny and Mike is something I'd like to see.

If JA gets time to prepare and there is money in the game I think he would dominate the match. Remember JA beating SVB in 10-Ball TAR match. Nobody did that like him.

1984

 

[(((Satori)))]

If JA gets time to prepare and there is money in the game I think he would dominate the match. Remember JA beating SVB in 10-Ball TAR match. Nobody did that like him.

1984

I sure do. He is way underestimated around here imo.

I think he brings the complete package to the Mosconi Cup Team too if he were to be added... skill, attitude, experience, and leadership.

 

[sjm]

If they play today, I'm not going argue races to 11 or 15! But I think anything more than 21, I have to give JA a slight edge!

Remember, SVB horsefuc%ed MD! JA did beat SVB!

Again, not knocking MD, I just don't consider MD in the same class of player!

Same thing with SVB, I personally think he's one of the best players on the planet today, but as far as the mosconi goes, he hasn't really played well(because it's not his style), personally, I would cut SVB! If MD can start playing in the bigger tourneys and get some out of country experience, he may have a shot! But until he gets his feet wet, MD will be an awesome LOCAL player!

If local means US only, I agree, but Mike's game travels awfully well within the US.

Still, we're both of the opinion that Mike needs more international play to reach his fullest potential.

 

[icucybe]

Would have been nice to have JA as captain along with MW as coach this year.

Mike D over Cory and Rodney over Bergman. I havne't seen Bergman play as much as I seen Hall in 9ft tables. Seen more of him on bar tables so this would have been my choice before the MC.

I do have to add between Hall, Jeremy, and Oscar would have been a tough call for me.

 

[TimKrazyMon]

a) Rodney should never be on a Mosconi Cup team ever again. Choke artist.

b) We improved over last year. Maybe next year we can make the goal 7-8 games.

c) How about we just accept the fact that no matter what lineup the US puts out, Europe is just better. Simple as that.

 

[BasementDweller]

Just for the record -- I always thought Johnny should have been on the team based on this record and based on his style of play. He's slow and methodical. He plays one ball at a time and never overlooks anything. These are the types of players that do well in the Cup. The only thing with Johnny is I think his family became a bit of a distraction for the U.S. Team, with them constantly coming down to congratulate players and talking to them.

Here's what I think could be a team that could win back the Cup next year:

An in form and interested Archer.
Shane focused on Shane and not being some sort of motivational figure.
Mike Dechaine out to prove his critics wrong.
Justin Hall back to show that his great play in 2014 wasn't a fluke
Justin Bergman, playing without the rookie nerves and showing he can run with the big dogs.

Players to watch in 2015:
Skyler Woodward
Jeremy Sossei
Oscar Dominquez

Maybe a few others.

 

[runouteasy]

That would be quite a match to see!

There's a strong contingency of Mike Dechaine supporters in New England region. Everybody likes to root for the home team. I get that.

At this stage of his career, he has not attained anywhere near the accomplishments that Johnny Archer has in Johnny's career. I think sometimes people have selective memory when it comes to comparing one player to another player, especially when they come from different eras.

That would be like comparing, say, Buddy Hall to Shane Van Boening today. Of course, the younger pool enthusiasts will claim Shane is much better than Buddy Hall ever thought about being, mainly because they have never seen Buddy Hall in his prime. It's two different eras in pool. There's no comparison that can ever be made becuase Buddy Hall in his prime will never get the opportunity to play Shane Van Boening in his prime.

If Mike Dechaine exerts more effort into a little PR to reach out to people who don't know him and don't live in the New England region, it would do him more good, I think, in the long run. Sure, he can play and is a strong player, no question. Is he of the same caliber as Johnny Archer? Not even close. But Mike is still in the middle of his career and has many more years to climb that ladder. I wish him all the very best!

Mike's game is as strong as Archer's ever was. Problem is there is nothing to play for now. There is so few events. Nothing on TV. No way to make a decent living at this. So why would someone travel the country playing events that don't pay. Also SVB has taken the lion's share for many years. Don't you think that has limited what others can achieve in the US pro pool scene?

 

[JAM]

Mike's game is as strong as Archer's ever was. Problem is there is nothing to play for now. There is so few events. Nothing on TV. No way to make a decent living at this. So why would someone travel the country playing events that don't pay. Also SVB has taken the lion's share for many years. Don't you think that has limited what others can achieve in the US pro pool scene?

For sure, that is a valid point, indeed, about the availability of competitions for pro-caliber players.

With that said, though, I have seen Archer and Dechaine both, up front and close. I have great respect for both of their games, but I don't think Dechaine is at the level Archer was when Archer was hitting 'em in his prime. Today, I'm still not sure Dechaine can beat him. Archer is a tough opponent in all aspects of the game: shooting capabilities, mental capabilities, and a great presence. Presence can get in the head of his opponents. Seen it happen multiple times.

One thing for sure, though, both of them has mastered the racking. They each have that down pat, if you know what I mean. :grin-square:

 

[Kid Dynomite]

i like the Hall/bergman doubles squad!

I want them back!

I like Skylar/brumback doubles squad!

Anchoring these two dynamic duo's

Earl "The Pearl" Strickland!!!

I am asking for it and I know it! Bring on the pain! What can I say the man has the "EYE of the tiger" more so then SHANE.

KD

 

[mosconiac]

Mike's game is as strong as Archer's ever was.

To be clear, you are talking about Johnny Archer...the Player of the Decade, the ICOC Champion, the US Open Champion, & the 2-time WPA world champion?

Then again, maybe you are talking about Jimmy Archer, the Lost Springs, Wyoming APA league champion.

 

[corvette1340]

Agreed. Mike D in his twenties is nowhere player near the player Johnny was in his twenties. But Mike D's the better player today and he proves it in virtually every event in which both he and Archer participate. Mike would win pretty easily in a long race.

This may be the single dumbest statement you've ever made and you make a lot of them in regards to the pecking order of who is better. Johnny would swim through a river of shit to gamble in a long set with Dechaine.

 

[know it all]

This may be the single dumbest statement you've ever made and you make a lot of them in regards to the pecking order of who is better. Johnny would swim through a river of shit to gamble in a long set with Dechaine.

Truer words spoken. I don't see to many people going to Archers pool room and trying to match up with him.To who ever is in charge of the picking of the moconi cup players for the US,you should squeez the blockage out of your heads and realize,the BIGGEST MISTAKE you made,I MEAN BIGGEST was not having Archer on the team.Just my opinion,but usally always right. Rich aka the skunk.

 

[AtLarge]

... I like Skylar/brumback doubles squad! ...

What's your basis for thinking Brumback should be one of the 5 USA guys picked for a 9-ball event?

 

[Tarheel]

Truer words spoken. I don't see to many people going to Archers pool room and trying to match up with him.To who ever is in charge of the picking of the moconi cup players for the US,you should squeez the blockage out of your heads and realize,the BIGGEST MISTAKE you made,I MEAN BIGGEST was not having Archer on the team.Just my opinion,but usally always right. Rich aka the skunk.

Rich....This is all hearsay but I was told that Matchroom would not allow Archer (and a couple other US players) to play on the US team this year. Something went down last year that pissed Hearn off.

 

[sjm]

This may be the single dumbest statement you've ever made and you make a lot of them in regards to the pecking order of who is better. Johnny would swim through a river of shit to gamble in a long set with Dechaine.

Thanks for the kind words.

I guess your theory is that Johnny has been on a year long stall. The reason he never gets to even play Mike is because he never finds his way to the late rounds of the biggest events. I don't know why they'd have to match up in Georgia but I reckon Mike would win even on Johnny's home court.

Seriously, when has Johnny shown elite form this year?

Read it and weep.

 

[shinobi]

sjm, are you trying to win a debate using facts? Better to get emotional and use capital letters. Blue font bolding is optional :grin:

On a more serious note, even though Mike has consistently finished higher in the tournaments as you highlighted, in a race to 100 I'd bet on Archer. Not that I'd want to bet. Too close to call.

 

[Kid Dynomite]

What's your basis for thinking Brumback should be one of the 5 USA guys picked for a 9-ball event?

Very simple

He is a 2009 derby all around winner plus close in 2010 lost to Efren!

Second, He is skylar's coach and they are great friends. He is a top 9 ball player. He just plays in very few tournaments. Derby and BCA US Open primarily.

KD

 

[punter]

Thanks for the kind words.

I guess your theory is that Johnny has been on a year long stall. The reason he never gets to even play Mike is because he never finds his way to the late rounds of the biggest events. I don't know why they'd have to match up in Georgia but I reckon Mike would win even on Johnny's home court.

Seriously, when has Johnny shown elite form this year?

Read it and weep.

Maybe Dechaine is playing better than JA right now and for the last year, maybe, but he hasn't come close to achieving the success Johnny has in his career. A couple of your prior posts demean Johnny, and you certainly have demeaned Earl repeatedly.

For a guy that used to call himself the youngest of the old schoolers, you have a funny way of throwing the champion old schoolers under the bus. What's up with that?