WRISTS - The "hidden power catalyst" of a great stroke or "just along for the ride"?
- Thread starter CJ Wiley
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Would that travel be after contacting the OB becaluse of more applied speed or english?
You're exactly right...well I don't know about the 1-3mph!
Because he brings the cue all the way back to the bridge on the vast majority of shots he had to develop some was of controlling cue speed and thus cue ball speed. By clenching and tightening the grip it slows the cue down mid stroke and he gets the results he wants.
He describes it in a video that's about on youtube as well. In the video he demonstrates a stun-run though shot and how if he keeps his grip loose he can make the cue ball travel a few feet or more forward, but if he clenches and tightens the grip he makes it travel about 6" to a foot forward whilst still hitting the same part of the white.
Obviously tightening his grip slows his stroke. Do you think something other than a slower stroke can account for less cue ball speed? Do you think tightening the grip is the only way to slow the stroke?
Some players tighten the grip to increase stroke speed.
pj
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When you hit the cue ball in the same place, same elevation, same speed the cue ball will travel the same distance. So the only way to make the cue ball travel a shorter distance is to either change the elevation (whilst hitting the same spot on the white), hit in a different place or hit at a slower speed.
No, I don't not think tightening the grip is the only way to slow cue speed. In fact, I wouldn't tighten the grip or advise anyone does it I just thought it would be of interest for others to know how the greatest snooker player of all time describes how he controls the cue ball. For regular players, the cues speed is altered by the biceps and the wrist in a combination whilst keeping the grip pressure consistent. Others may choose to pull the cue back a shorter distance, follow through a shorter distance, or like me pull all the way back to the bridge and follow through until the hand hits the chest on every shot, regardless of the required cue speed. It is my biceps and wrist that controls how hard I hit the ball.
In pretty much every sport where one has to swing or throw something, velocity and power comes from loose grips. Your body can't move as quickly or fluidly when you're tight and rigid. In pool, with the cue, there's also the matter of energy transfer from stick to ball. The tighter your grip, the more energy is transferred into your arm, and less into the object ball.
Oh, OK. I thought you were arguing in favor of the idea that the grip itself makes a difference in the hit.
Carry on.
pj
chgo
No, that would be crazy talk!
What did you have him do to reteach his grip ?
You may be on the right track but the language may be going in the wrong direction.:wink:
No offense intended here. The correct communication is the difficult part.
Best 2 You & All,
Rick
Assuming your definition of shortstop is the same as mine, which is a level below semi-pro, I've reached a level most players will never reach, no matter how much they practice.
I chose to go to college and get a degree, and I make a very good living as a software developer. I also have a son and girlfriend. There are many other things in my life besides pool. I don't have the time to practice 8 hours+ a day or travel to big tournaments, which is necessary to play at semi-pro/pro speed.
There's no question I could change parts of my game to get better, but that in no way means what CJ suggests is the right way to go about it.
I had em watch a pro event and look at the back hand of all the top players during play. From that make a choice and ''just do it''.
I'm just curious.
From whom would you be willing to consider advice?
Best 2 You,
Rick
Thanks for the reply.
I will consider advice from anyone, whether or not they are better or more knowledgeable than me. Once considered, I will give feedback that indicates my evaluation of said advice.
Like I said, CJ is a great player, and his methods clearly work for him. My problem is that he's trying to convince everyone that his methods are the correct way to do things. They may work for him, or maybe he's a great player in spite of his methods, such as his unorthodox grip.
You said in your previous post that CJ routinely says that his methods may not work for everyone. Well this is not apparent in the posts I've read. He is speaking as if his methods are scientific fact, which is absurd.
Consider the following statements:
In his head, maybe this all makes sense, but I'd really like to know what his physics background is, considering he's stating "facts" about energy transfer in relation to grip pressure.
He is stating this as fact, backed by pseudo-science that he has come up with. This is not stated as an opinion, nor is he just telling us what his methods are.