What are you going to do to his tap?
Since you needed it I fixed it for ya ,, you got a thing for pink in shirts don't you ,,
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Darren Forfeits Beloit
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Since you needed it I fixed it for ya ,, you got a thing for pink in shirts don't you ,,
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The "Barton Monies" went in a variety of directions (no mutual funds
to include pool. Poolwise, I was tossed a jelly roll and I in turn jellied a couple of guys.No one "owed" it. Just the right thing to do
Lou Figueroa
is there a difference between buying someone in a calcutta and just betting on him on a match? if i placed a side bet on appleton in this match and appleton forfeits, does he now owe me money? now the guy you made the bet with might let you off the hook cuz the match never actually took place but if he didnt and you had to pay him out, does darren owe me money now? that's essentially what the calcutta is. you have zero influence on how the player does in the tournament so you're just placing a bet on a player to win. just like darren did not force anyone to bet on him in this match, he did not force anyone to buy him in the calcutta so i dont see how he owes anyone more than a sincere apology since it's clearly an accident and mistake on his part.
if people aren't obligated to grease him a percentage if he wins (even if he didnt buy himself in the calcutta) i don't see why he should have to give them some money in a situation like this. they didnt put money up to help him or anything, they put money on him to try to make money for themselves. they're not backing him or anything so he doesn't owe them anything more than an apology. to me, suggesting otherwise is incorrect.
before everyone says that i didn't have any money in this calcutta, i'd like to point out that i've bet on people that quit in the middle of a set before and i didnt think they owed me money. it was my fault for betting on them. i was trying to make money off someone else's work and in those cases it did not go in my favour.
Major favorites doing this in larger tourneys/calcuttas opens the door to serious integrity issues in calcuttas.
If favorites strategically do this and get the word out then others may be hesitant to bid on them in future tourneys. This allows world beaters to potentially get themselves for a big discount down the road. (Not saying Darren did anything like this of course).
Pool has had enough shady characters that if I were running a calcutta i would set an arbitrary number (1000$??) and any player sold for ABOVE that amount HAS to have half of himself (backers are ok) or the bid is nullified and that player is not in the calcutta pool, period.
Calcuttas would be smaller potentially but this would eliminate most player issues regarding missing matches if thier own money or thier backers is on the line.
Just an opinion
If favorites strategically do this and get the word out then others may be hesitant to bid on them in future tourneys. This allows world beaters to potentially get themselves for a big discount down the road. (Not saying Darren did anything like this of course).
Pool has had enough shady characters that if I were running a calcutta i would set an arbitrary number (1000$??) and any player sold for ABOVE that amount HAS to have half of himself (backers are ok) or the bid is nullified and that player is not in the calcutta pool, period.
Calcuttas would be smaller potentially but this would eliminate most player issues regarding missing matches if thier own money or thier backers is on the line.
Just an opinion
Honestly Darren, how would you know?
You cost a guy a few thousand dollars of potential earnings in a pool tournament.
When I go to work I am dealing with being on the front lines of production for a oil sands mine that produces many millions dollars worth of oil each day. My job is to assess the quality of the material being mined and ensure that the quality of the material is properly identified so that processing can successfully extract the oil from the mined material and not lose it to coarse tailings. If/when I have a bad day or a mistake is made it is not measured in the thousands, a small error easily costs hundreds of thousands of dollars and a larger error quickly climbs into the millions "very" quickly. I have seen things happen that cost more in a single day then the entire added money in the whole of pool for the last 10 years combined.
You want stress? Try dealing with a real time situation where a million dollars of oil is being lost every hour and you are running around a mine analyzing the material being sent to the breaker trying to determine the cause for the bitumen losses to coarse tailings, all the while having top execs and mine operations personnel breathing down your neck expecting you to fix everything. Try dealing with a situation where something was missed and it caused a major processing issue that shuts down the whole mine and now you are going to be answering questions as to why production had to be ceased and the company lost millions of dollars due to people were sitting in haul trucks on the side of the haul roads and electric shovels were sitting idle in the pits when you were "supposed" to be producing 850 l/s of oil.
Don't be so sure your job warps many of those people working those "paycheck" jobs with regards to "stress". A lot more stock brokers end up jumping out of windows than do pool players.
Not to mention, to people who think 150k a year is peanuts and tough to live on... what freaking planet are you actually living on atm? The average household income in the USA is in the $52,000 range give or take a couple grand. A very small percentage of the population is making 150k a year and if you are struggling to live on that than maybe you need to relook at how you "spend" money. Very few people will "ever" make that type of cash and those people that do are normally in the more senior positions in specific industries.
Anyone who says things like "gee, I could never live on 150k a year...!" is seriously out there. I live in a city where the average household income is probably the highest of any actual working city in North America (not including old money boroughs of the already extremely rich) and people here making 150k per a year are doing just fine if they are not going crazy spending their money on a 1.5 million dollar house, 2 quads, and a new Ram 3500 and Porsche every couple of years or funding a recreational drug habit.
Anyone who says things like "gee, I could never live on 150k a year...!" is seriously out there. I live in a city where the average household income is probably the highest of any actual working city in North America (not including old money boroughs of the already extremely rich) and people here making 150k per a year are doing just fine if they are not going crazy spending their money on a 1.5 million dollar house, 2 quads, and a new Ram 3500 and Porsche every couple of years or funding a recreational drug habit.
To answer your question, YES there is a difference. A big one!
good you must get paid well
.Congrats Most jobs less pressure and a wage at end of the week.. I did work for 3 years upto the age of 21 a regular decent job in a warehouse was stress free like most jobs. obviously yours very complicated and highly important position. But what i found playing pool and working i lost my edge playing pool i was too relaxed and become lazy.No Ambition. I wanted the Ambition/Wanted to know how far i could go,I wanted the intense/Stressful/buzz/Pressure of needing to win thats what makes me click and feel alive and get me to the level i play at. The Dark Days,The bad Beats,The devastations/The Depression i suffered/The long around the world flights not making the money rounds and 3-4k out pocket were miserable times not knowing when my next wage will come/and how I'm going to pay my 30k debt off, But i Kept going to reach my goals, and made me stronger person and player.Its been a rough ride more lows than highs for sure but the past 7 years the highs finally out weighed the lows so it all been worth it.
Everyone got there own story and i Respect that.
The Weekend I cost myself potential 16k that hurts but i take it on the chin and move on.
For everyone that gambled on me in the event which i know was a good few people I'm sorry once again. But as you all know thats gambling win some lose some. I didn't Plan on sleeping in.But Accidents Happen in all Sports,I Didn't know any of the people that bet on me and i didn't ask anybody to bet on me,So thats not my responsibility I'm afraid i was there as a individual trying to win a pool tournament and 16k that was my only focus and goal that weekend,Trust me nobody more sick than me. Im angry at myself Because i was close to winning the tournament and Winning 16k i was playing great But will never know. Sadly i didn't wake up Shit happens Sometimes. If other people won money on me winning thats great also for them.
I Said I'm Sorry to those that BET on me to win Publicly a few times now. And i really am sorry you guys lost money also.
this really is my final post i didn't need to explain myself to anyone on here but i wanted to and glad i did. but thats it for me regards this topic. you all entitled to your opinions as i am also. if we was all the same the world would be very boring place.
Once again thanks to all my friends and fans and other People that supported me. Appreciate it.
darren
I'm very happy with my living thanks.
Illegal
Aren't calcuttas illegal in the majority of states anyway? So Darren should owe a guy for something he himself had no part in, and was taking place outside the law anyway? Gambling is inherently risky. If it wasn't it wouldn't be gambling. The only thing Darren owes is apologies, which he has already expressed. I swear, "pool gamblers" live in a weird world outside the scope of normal reality.
Aren't calcuttas illegal in the majority of states anyway? So Darren should owe a guy for something he himself had no part in, and was taking place outside the law anyway? Gambling is inherently risky. If it wasn't it wouldn't be gambling. The only thing Darren owes is apologies, which he has already expressed. I swear, "pool gamblers" live in a weird world outside the scope of normal reality.
Saying "not going to retire soon" means tough to live on? lol this place is unreal.
RBC
Deceased
Celtic
When a professional pool player has pool earnings of $150,000, that's not what his personal income is. If he spent $75,000 in related expenses, then his income that would be comparable to the typical employed person whose gross pay is $75,000.
I think Darren is one of the very few who actually do make a comfortable living. He's an excellent player at all games, and is a class act as well. I don't know him well, but well enough to know that feels worse about this than most can imagine. I'm certain that his expectations of himself are higher than what others would expect of him. To me, that's a sign of character.
Royce
I'm sure he's broken up to peices that an almost shortstop, hermit looking, Internet troll doesn't like his apology for screwing himself out of thousands of dollars.
Do they have the saying, "Money talks, bullshit walks" in the UK?
Lou Figueroa
just wonderin'
what a thread....
What more do you people want than an apology that has already been given? Darren missed out on his INCOME; not a wager. I think he feels WAY more sick about oversleeping than the OP.
bummer that it happened DA....good luck in future events.
What more do you people want than an apology that has already been given? Darren missed out on his INCOME; not a wager. I think he feels WAY more sick about oversleeping than the OP.
bummer that it happened DA....good luck in future events.