Yes but that's the same for any kind of english. The purpose of any kind of spin isn't the spin itself. There are several purposes for using english and TOI achieves one of those purposes. So I know exactly what CJ means when he says its "not english" but it's still english - just a touch.
TOI is English/Spin
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Yes but that's the same for any kind of english. The purpose of any kind of spin isn't the spin itself. There are several purposes for using english and TOI achieves one of those purposes. So I know exactly what CJ means when he says its "not english" but it's still english - just a touch.
Yes..By now, you should be very accustomed, to being proven wrong ! (have you ever been right?
)PS..By all means, keep agreeing with your hero..Eventually you will both wind up in a padded cell !
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Yes..By now, you should be very accustomed, to being proven wrong ! (have you ever been right?
PS..By all means, keep agreeing with your hero..Eventually you will both wind up in a padded cell !
You could always become a famous troll...better than nothing?
Are english and spin the same thing in the game of pocket billiards?
I guess we have to determine if "english" and "spin" are the same thing.
Are they? Are english and spin the same thing in the game of pocket billiards?
I guess we have to determine if "english" and "spin" are the same thing.
Are they? Are english and spin the same thing in the game of pocket billiards?
IMHO, I consider English or spin to be "what is left on the cue ball that changes its direction when it hits the rail. In the case of the object ball, it is when the "spinning" of the cue ball causes the object ball to take a path off the rail that is not "natural". If you put inside spin on the cue ball that is absorbed by the object ball which causes the cue ball to come off a rail with "no spin" then it is up to individual minds to call it what they want. As long as the mission was accomplished, as planned, who cares what it is called.
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Well they call it side in the UK so what is it then? A touch of inside side? English is generally referred to as spin imparted on the horizontal axis due to hitting off of center on the cue ball. Spin on the other hand could refer to top spin, draw(?) who cares.
Here is the reality.
This is all a semantics argument. (This does not mean I condone or endorse TOI):
Place the OB on the second diamond from the end rail and the CB on the headstring, both about an inch of the side rail. Now play a stop shot. I bet if we took a radar gun there would be some various speeds, but most who participate will claim the used Center ball...well did you hit the cue ball at a higher speed and strike dead center? Or did you use a slower speed with bottom and let the draw die into a sliding cue ball? The answer is whatever is comfortable with you and most consistent.
That being said CJs TOI is using inside english but not for the purpose most players would use it for (cueball control). The only part that it seems where TOI affects cueball control is in terms of speed with the punch stroke thing he does.
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meanwhile in another thread...
...Mind blown...
Somebody run and tell anyone who can spot CJ a ball playing One Pocket or 10 Ball!!! Don't worry, I'll wait.
meanwhile in another thread...
...Mind blown...
Somebody run and tell anyone who can spot CJ a ball playing One Pocket or 10 Ball!!! Don't worry, I'll wait.
I think this view of "margin of error" is a positive one that speaks well of TOI. The heightened perceptual habits that TOI teaches (focus, care and precision) are real strengths.
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Yup, thats what it does.
This is what TOI does. A more true angle.
You only play the tangent line off the OB. pretty simple and a lot less complicated than using spin.
The amount of TOI is determined by the thickness of the cut.
TOI is not used on straight in shots. No need too.
I use it, and like it. Especially on a bar table.
John
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You know what you are talking about. Thank you for trying to get it down to the lowest level so that people can figure out what is going on.
I think that TOI may have been created on a bar table. The small table is MUCH easier to navigate with the cue ball if you aren't "spinning" the ball a lot. It doesn't take much to get into trouble with position on a smaller table with balls closer together or clustered.
Thanks.
Of course folks have to learn how to slide the QB to the OB for all of this to work. :wink:
John
Margin of error is that area of the OB that the CB can make contact within and the OB will go into the pocket somewhere.
Inceasing a person consistently in pocketing balls, which is what really is being discussed, us another thing. There are several ways to do this without using TOI at all.
Simply put its called proper practice.
Inceasing a person consistently in pocketing balls, which is what really is being discussed, us another thing. There are several ways to do this without using TOI at all.
Simply put its called proper practice.
Well there are different kinds of spin, some of which have different names in different countries. "English" refers to side spin as used in the USA and is a term recognised by pool players worldwide. If you strike the CB off center then it will spin. This spin may be countered by something else that happens to the CB during its motion thus having a slightly different effect on the OB "during" contact than if it had been struck dead centre and dead straight (which is pretty much impossible for a human being to do consistently - and one of the purposes of TOI is to get around this). But it's still side spin and still english. Just because "a really tiny little bit of english" wouldn't be an intriguing name for a coaching video doesn't detract from the fact that it is english.
They may be local and locally historical uses of the term "english" that mean something else, just like some players in the UK will refer to the "side" pocket rather than the "centre" but I believe it is generally agreed that "english" and side spin are synonymous.
Sorry Mr.Eye...He didn't get it low enough for me, (or anyone else) to understand.
...The only thing thats "going on" is more confusing phsyco-babble, only without the clever photos and morality lectures !But, I am just ecstatic for you, that you "get it"..but PLEASE don't bother trying to explain 'TOI' again!...... 7,680 attempts, (by the inventor) and the article below, is more than enough to turn me off reading for life, thank you !
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the important thing is it's very effective and can improve a players game quickly
That's correct, there's no need to use TOI on straight in shots unless you're trying to "cheat the pocket". I will do this when the object ball is fairly close, however, on long shots I have to be in "dead stroke" to use TOI on straight shots.
TOI is used to create angles and take the after-contact spin off the the cue ball for better control. Efren called it the "No Spin" way of playing.....Mike Lebron called it 'The Touch of Inside' - it doesn't matter what someone calls it, the important thing is it's very effective and can improve a players game quickly and effectively in just a few hours.
That's correct, there's no need to use TOI on straight in shots unless you're trying to "cheat the pocket". I will do this when the object ball is fairly close, however, on long shots I have to be in "dead stroke" to use TOI on straight shots.
TOI is used to create angles and take the after-contact spin off the the cue ball for better control. Efren called it the "No Spin" way of playing.....Mike Lebron called it 'The Touch of Inside' - it doesn't matter what someone calls it, the important thing is it's very effective and can improve a players game quickly and effectively in just a few hours.
Omaha John was a master with this cue ball and "floated it" around
The TOI technique does work very well using the "Big Ball," Omaha John was a master with this cue ball and "floated it" around with just a "touch" of inside.
The TOI technique does work very well using the "Big Ball," Omaha John was a master with this cue ball and "floated it" around with just a "touch" of inside.
Alright, ya got me..Please explain it to us 'one more time'.. (without the clever pic's)..Tell us how TOI, is NOT applying side spin on the cue ball ? ..You have already advised us, that good player's should NOT use inside English, side spin etc, on every shot ? ..Isn't that contrary to what you have been preaching for two years ?
This is your briefest explanation ever, of TOI, but, as usual, it makes absolutely no sense at all..Just more double talk ! (but you did get in your usual 'name dropping')
PS..Please go slower, its hard to keep up ! (and stay off my grass)
..You have already advised us, that good player's should NOT use inside English, side spin etc, on every shot ? ..Isn't that contrary to what you have been preaching for two years ? This is your briefest explanation ever, of TOI, but, as usual, it makes absolutely no sense at all..Just more double talk ! (but you did get in your usual 'name dropping')
PS..Please go slower, its hard to keep up ! (and stay off my grass
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