You did the right thing.
I will order More Pool Wars to help offset the extra cost you must have incurred changing your flight.
Jay Helfert resigned as Tourney Director at the US Open
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You did the right thing.
I will order More Pool Wars to help offset the extra cost you must have incurred changing your flight.
Tap tap tap!
Sucks that you had to deal with BS, but you know you did the right thing.
You did the right thing Jay. Hopefully Barry will sell or give up the rights to the us open as he's lost some more credibility by running the open into the ground with this kind of crap. It's to bad because I was pulling for him since Pat, yourself and other's got involved and tried to get the credibility back in this once great event and move forward to better day's.
[/QUOTE]I have no regrets. I feel that I made the right decision for me.[/QUOTE]
Jay,
You absolutely did the right thing by taking the action you did.
In our daily lives as well as in our work, if we do not have credibility and integrity, we have nothing.
You took the correct (and only) posture for this situation. I regret the taint which has been added to this year's Open by modifying the bracket.
Disappointing and regretful.
You are appreciated by many. Thanks.
Will Prout
Jay,
You absolutely did the right thing by taking the action you did.
In our daily lives as well as in our work, if we do not have credibility and integrity, we have nothing.
You took the correct (and only) posture for this situation. I regret the taint which has been added to this year's Open by modifying the bracket.
Disappointing and regretful.
You are appreciated by many. Thanks.
Will Prout
Jay,
Without question you made the right decision. I have never posted something like this.....but we are talking about BB. Barry is a real stain on the game. He is a disgrace on too many levels to list. I am so nausiated by him, the stories, the lies and dishonesty, that I have zero interest in watching or even following the US Open. He is a poster child for the "Whats' Wrong with Pool" threads. Think about this; BB apparently owns the name US Open for 9 Ball. However he can not be trusted to pay out so a third party must control the funds. Without you and Pat, I think his event would implode. I would like to see Pat pull out as well. Nothing GOOD can happen being associated with the likes of Barry.
Someone needs to run a North American Open concurrent with Barry's fiasco and kill it.
I am sorry for your misfortune.
All the best,
Phil
Now if nobody gives Barry the time of day for the next year, maybe him and his 9 ball tournament will just fade away. No press releases, no interviews, no magazine ads. Barry is a nobody with nothing left but a tainted 40 year old tournament. If everyone ignores him, he can work on losing QMasters. Johnnyt
There are two sets of posters here. There are the Naysayers and there are The Blind Leading The Blind.
Over the past few weeks each of them has had their Place in the Sun.
Now the clouds are beginning to clear for the NSs and they will have the last say in this turbulent matter as more 'skeletons' emerge.
Even Allan Hopkins' credibility has taken a knock by virtue of the fact that he endorsed this cheapskate arrangement. How would Warren have viewed the situation in the unlikely case of him being beaten by Allan. Notwithstanding all this, unless some legitimate players have been left out of the draw then once it is made public then it shouldn't be altered.
Once that tenet had been broken then they could do anything unethical. They knew that Jeremy Jones was not coming. So why wasn't Hopkins given that spot. But don't even go there, can you imagine Darren Appleton standing for that. Everything would have ground to a halt.
Vietnam's Quan did not show up for his first match and was rightfully scrubbed out. But two days later he is back in the event playing Petroni. The Italian should be into the $300 paid for 65th= place
but who can he complain to when there is no TD.
No use complaining to the promoter because he probably gave Quan a Get Out of Jail card because he took so long to pay him two years ago.
Come On all you BLTBs what about -
The Cue Ball controversy
The lack of referees ( and will those present get paid}
Rack cheaters (goes with the territory).
Poor Publicity and lack of information
Excessive Parking Fees
It ain't over until SOMEONE SINGS. Get Obama to perform his excruciating AMAZING GRACE then expect Barry to try and top it.
Beam Me Up Scotty
Over the past few weeks each of them has had their Place in the Sun.
Now the clouds are beginning to clear for the NSs and they will have the last say in this turbulent matter as more 'skeletons' emerge.
Even Allan Hopkins' credibility has taken a knock by virtue of the fact that he endorsed this cheapskate arrangement. How would Warren have viewed the situation in the unlikely case of him being beaten by Allan. Notwithstanding all this, unless some legitimate players have been left out of the draw then once it is made public then it shouldn't be altered.
Once that tenet had been broken then they could do anything unethical. They knew that Jeremy Jones was not coming. So why wasn't Hopkins given that spot. But don't even go there, can you imagine Darren Appleton standing for that. Everything would have ground to a halt.
Vietnam's Quan did not show up for his first match and was rightfully scrubbed out. But two days later he is back in the event playing Petroni. The Italian should be into the $300 paid for 65th= place
but who can he complain to when there is no TD.
No use complaining to the promoter because he probably gave Quan a Get Out of Jail card because he took so long to pay him two years ago.
Come On all you BLTBs what about -
The Cue Ball controversy
The lack of referees ( and will those present get paid}
Rack cheaters (goes with the territory).
Poor Publicity and lack of information
Excessive Parking Fees
It ain't over until SOMEONE SINGS. Get Obama to perform his excruciating AMAZING GRACE then expect Barry to try and top it.
Beam Me Up Scotty
GoldenFlash
Banned
I simply do not understand why men who are supposed to be so "street smart" and wise to the ways of pool players can keep on swallowing the bait, and allow themselves to get involved in business dealings with this Barry guy. :shrug:
Cartoon of one of Barry's marks posted below.
Cartoon of one of Barry's marks posted below.
Yay! Peteroni is in the house! Love that Italian Stallion.
Believe me, Allen Hopkins would not have cared one way or the other if he was put in or not put in. Allen just loves to play pool, always has. He will always be a pool player at heart. He actually enjoys competing, win or loses. It is a shame that he is caught in the cross-hairs. I know he would have been okay to just sit it out. Allen is *not* a trouble-maker, by any means. One of the most easygoing pool peeps I know.
Barry, on the other hand, felt that he had a right to make a so-called "executive decision," even if it meant breaking the rules or exerting favoritism. I do disagree with this. Same thing happned to Keith in 2004 at the Open. He was supposed to get a bye, coming in third the year before, but Grady Mathews complained to Barry and Scott behind closed doors that the senior citizens who competed in only one senior tournament that year should get the byes. They removed Keith's name and gave the byes to Grady, Dave Bolman, Charlie from Carolina, who received a bye.
As well, I never liked the fact that the European players were allowed to come to the tournament 2 days after it commenced, saving them expenses. Their names were put on the chart so they di dnot hvae to play their first match until Day 2. Everybody else had to attend an *mandatory* players meeting on a Sunday, but the Europeans were exempt from these extra 2 days of expenses.
I give Jay credit for standing by his principles. It is awful that he had to go through what he did with the mean-spirited texts. Barry was wrong.
I remember Mike Zuglan telling me that when he used to compete professionally that players were given favoritism with byes, free perks, et cetera. It always bothered Mike. He was a world-class player at the time, played strong, so he decided he had had enough of the favoritism hanky panky. Instead of talking, Mike started chalking and started the Joss Northeast 9-Ball Tour with Dan Janes, where favoritism will never raise its ugly head. You gotta respect a guy that does that. Joss is the longest-running tour in the States and continues to enjoy a sterling reputation in the industry. Long live Mike Zuglan.
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Best finals I've ever seen in my life was Ginky v. Allen Hopkins at Snooker's on a Joss Tour event. Allen had this one-punch short stroke, and Ginky was a long stroker. It was a bloody battle all the way to the end, and neither player made any mistakes. It was pool at its finest and was eye candy for a pool aficionado like me. It came down to the breaks, who made balls and who didn't, and Ginky came out on top. It was first-class pool all the way. I'll never forget it.
Joe Tucker came in third, then there is Steve and Regina Goulding (hosts and owners of Snooker's in Providence), first place winner Ginky, and second place winner Allen Hopkins. Oh, it was a Joss event, of course, a fair and honorable tour that never shows favoritism.
Joe Tucker came in third, then there is Steve and Regina Goulding (hosts and owners of Snooker's in Providence), first place winner Ginky, and second place winner Allen Hopkins. Oh, it was a Joss event, of course, a fair and honorable tour that never shows favoritism.
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It is always, always great when an industry member posts on AzBilliards. Of course, you are right. Don't let the meanies drive you away. Those of us who know you are, most definitely, aware that you are an honorable person who gives way more than you receive when it comes to pool. I sometimes wonder why you do it, but I know your passion for pool is strong. Thank you for keeping pool alive. Without you, pool in America would suffer greatly. :smiling-heart:
When running tournaments, sometimes things happen that are beyond anyone's control. I remember Scotty Boggs giving me a "what-for" because of the long wait times at the Maryland State Championship, a tournament I ran in 1986. I covered as much as I could think of in a two-page rule sheet that I gave to each competitor, but unfortunately, I did cover time. I don't even think anyone had heard of a shotclock back then. The slow players held up my charts, and those who had to wait were really upset. It's a thankless job, running pool tournaments. You get more flack and complaints than you do thanks and compliments. That's for sure.
Yep....a no brainer from this Midwestern raised boy. That east coast attitude is somethin'. I'll never forget when I attended the last call for 9 ball event at the casino in Jersey, it was the one Sigel won forty K. The entire staff at this casino had ZERO people skills and they all hated their jobs. But, I did run into one Jersey bartender that was cool, but here's what he said. All I wanna do is get injured on the job and collect and get outta here. WOW
Quan is well within his rights to still be in the tournament....he is not the first player to go
straight to the B-side in a DOUBLE KNOCKOUT tourney 'cause he missed his first match. Every player gets two chances.
I totally agree with Jay's decision, however.
I'll give it to you straight, Jay.
When you walk out on a major tournament like that to save your reputation, you are hurting all the players you leave behind. If Barry wanted to make the change, you should have told him that you're against it and he would have to make it himself. Then you just tell all the players that it wasn't you who made the change and although you wanted to leave, you didn't want to walk out on them.
Everybody knows how Barry is and they wouldn't have held it against you. The players needed you and your expertise in running the event. You not only walked out on Barry, but you walked out on them as well.
And THAT is my east coast attitude, Bill Meacham.
When you walk out on a major tournament like that to save your reputation, you are hurting all the players you leave behind. If Barry wanted to make the change, you should have told him that you're against it and he would have to make it himself. Then you just tell all the players that it wasn't you who made the change and although you wanted to leave, you didn't want to walk out on them.
Everybody knows how Barry is and they wouldn't have held it against you. The players needed you and your expertise in running the event. You not only walked out on Barry, but you walked out on them as well.
And THAT is my east coast attitude, Bill Meacham.
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All things considered, I think it was the right thing to do for Mr. Helfert. Once people start tampering with the tournament in this fashion, it has been tainted, and from then on anyone staying connected with the tournament will IMO be tainted as well. It is the duty of the tournament officials to protest against such breaches of proper protocol and integrity, and if unheeded to take direct action against it. Mr. Helfert didn't have much of a choice, really. Good to see that there are still people with integrity in American pool. Maybe there's hope after all, but then again the people that are actually calling the shots (promoters) have no scruples what so ever...so there is that.
Allen runs the expo, he should know how bad a move that is. Taking the spot is the same as giving him the spot. A sad day for pool. Kudos Jay