Bank shots...

Patrick Johnson said:
Some good bankers believe enough top/bottom spin can be transferred to an OB to produce the same effects, but I don't think so.


I don't think it's large, certainly not comparable to what can be done with the CB for a kick - but I've noticed it many times, and even posted about it (5 years ago :eek:): http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=210628

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Using bottom, no probably not but using inside will absolutely shorten the bank as much if not more than hitting it hard.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
I find that learning some simple "reference tracks" for those banks is very helpful. The equal-angle tracks to the first three diamonds on the long rail are as shown in the pic below - I find aiming them at the diamonds (dotted lines) compensates pretty well for a rolling ball going long.

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chgo

P.S. The same starting points on the short rail aimed at half-diamonds on the long rail also works for banks/kicks to the side pocket.

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Good info! These shots come up more for safety play for me since I am mostly a rotation player, but even then it's nice to be able to be accurate on safes and two-way shots.
 
When it comes to banking, I'm going to go with whatever John Brumback says. The first person on here that beats him at banking may sway my opinion of something if there is a difference of opinion somewhere.
 
I set this shot up, took a video, and then freeze famed it. You can see the OB starting to bend it's path.

I've watched Brumaback bend balls well over an inch when practicing with him. When he is aiming a diamond or more beyond the natural angle and stiffing the bank, I don't know how the OB couldn't hook.

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Worminator said:
I set this shot up, took a video, and then freeze famed it. You can see the OB starting to bend it's path.

I've watched Brumaback bend balls well over an inch when practicing with him. When he is aiming a diamond or more beyond the natural angle and stiffing the bank, I don't know how the OB couldn't hook.

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I think the "scientists" are going to tell you that you didn't see what you saw. It is an optical illusion or camera trick or it is all in your head.

If Uri Geller can bend a spoon, I think John Brumback can bend a pool ball while banking.
 
I think this is a case, where the scientists don't actually have the stroke to hit the shot properly.:eek:
 
I think the "scientists" will simply ask you for "video proof" and if they are wrong, they will admit it.

I doubt very seriously if they will deny proof that is shared with them. Simply saying that something is so, doesn't make it so.

I'm no scientist but if Uri Geller can bend a spoon with his mind, then Chris Angel can really levitate. :D

I know I can make a cue ball "bend" so I must be up there with Uri Geller. :lmao:

JoeyA



HawaiianEye said:
I think the "scientists" are going to tell you that you didn't see what you saw. It is an optical illusion or camera trick or it is all in your head.

If Uri Geller can bend a spoon, I think John Brumback can bend a pool ball while banking.
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JoeyA said:
I think the "scientists" will simply ask you for "video proof" and if they are wrong, they will admit it.

I doubt very seriously if they will deny proof that is shared with them. Simply saying that something is so, doesn't make it so.

I'm no scientist but if Uri Geller can bend a spoon with his mind, then Chris Angel can really levitate. :D

I know I can make a cue ball "bend" so I must be up there with Uri Geller. :lmao:

JoeyA
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They haven't watch the efren shot enough times. The spin stays the same but the rail changes the direction of the cue ball, spin takes after contact and cue ball bends slightly. Top spin people!
 
Drop The Rock said:
They haven't watch the efren shot enough times. The spin stays the same but the rail changes the direction of the cue ball, spin takes after contact and cue ball bends slightly. Top spin people!
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Which Efren shot is that?
 
Worminator said:
I set this shot up, took a video, and then freeze famed it. You can see the OB starting to bend it's path. ...
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When the object ball came off the cushion, where was it headed for on the second cushion? Where did it hit the second cushion? I can't quite see that in the single picture. It would help if you had multiple shots along the line of the ball to the second cushion.
 
Who wants to bet that I can't curve a bank shot around a ball?? Line the "experts" up!!!:eek:. John B.

Oh that's right...know -it alls won't bet:boring2:
 
dr_dave said:
Hopefully, somebody with access to "worn Simonis" (and/or a can of Silicone Spray) can post a convincing smart-phone video of clearly-noticeable (and potentially useful) post-rebound OB curve in the bank-shortening direction.

Regards,
Dave
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Well,you need to have a good stroke and or hit,which (you do not) and NO you do not need any stinking spray!! John B.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Which Efren shot is that?
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It relates to the cue ball bending so is a very loose concept to what we are talking about but in theory could an object ball spin enough after a bank to change direction? It's possible that left or right hand English wouldn't transfer enough but if CB using inside creates outside on banked object ball (causing it to shorten) is the resulting topsin enough to change the direction of the object ball?
 
I'm not sure what the controversy is about bending the path of the object ball after first rail rebound. Shoot it with some inside and you can watch it bend for yourself.

I'm confused about this debate???:speechless:
 
Bob Jewett said:
When the object ball came off the cushion, where was it headed for on the second cushion? Where did it hit the second cushion? I can't quite see that in the single picture. It would help if you had multiple shots along the line of the ball to the second cushion.
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I don't understand your comment regarding "where did it hit the second cushion?" As it is a one rail bank. In terms of where was it headed coming off the cushion, if hit as a natural angle bank it would have hit well above the side pocket where it was made.
 
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