This process has been known to take ten minutes per rack.
Making the wingball everytime
- Thread starter Flip_dat_Quarta
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Still quicker than straight pool.
Lol, just kidding. Your suggestion was spot on earlier in the thread about 10 ball.
Read your last sentence and you should understand why it is considered "cheating".
I do agree with other posters that your opponent had the right to examine the rack and chose not to but your explanation makes it clear that you know which balls to leave loose in order to make a wing ball.. So, if you deliberately do that, looks like cheating to me.
Flip_dat_Quarta
Banned
I thought imade this clear but i guess not. I AM NOT LEAVING ANY BALLS LOOSE. I am trying my best to freeze all 9 balls.
I agree with this. He's not cheating unless he was purposely creating gaps in the rack.
There is a very fine line between cheating or just not being an idiot... When I play rack my own I do the very best that I can to rack the balls with the intent to freeze them ALL...
IF the table is not racking right and there seem to be gaps every rack I will continue trying to rack them perfectly until a gap I know shows up.. I will not intentionally touch the balls or manipulate my efforts to create that gap but I also won't stop on a rack that I know is a slug.....
Am I cheating or just doing what is within my rights? Likely both.... If you have watched pro tournaments a lot of the pro players will do exactly what I do and go up table to break when they finally get gaps they know....
We have seen in events where the opponent has gotten out of their chair and demanded that a certain gap be fixed since we all know it makes the wing dead and in those instances we have seen referees and the players pound the balls into the cloth to try and fix problems and in many instances only made the situation worse...
There is a reason the Accu-Rack will be the official rack of the US Open again this year and that the World Title events use templates.... It's the only way to level the field, eliminate the 10 re-racks with opponent racks, and eliminate the black cloud of thinking that the winner of the event was the best rack mechanic and not the best player.....
We had 1 re-rack last year at the Open and it was the first match when Frost got them a little crooked.... 1 re-rack ALLLLLLL week on the TV table... Shane didn't win but he became an ever bigger legend in how he lost..... And HE wants to play again this year the same exact way as last year so he can win his 5th with people thinking he is cheating......
IF the table is not racking right and there seem to be gaps every rack I will continue trying to rack them perfectly until a gap I know shows up.. I will not intentionally touch the balls or manipulate my efforts to create that gap but I also won't stop on a rack that I know is a slug.....
Am I cheating or just doing what is within my rights? Likely both.... If you have watched pro tournaments a lot of the pro players will do exactly what I do and go up table to break when they finally get gaps they know....
We have seen in events where the opponent has gotten out of their chair and demanded that a certain gap be fixed since we all know it makes the wing dead and in those instances we have seen referees and the players pound the balls into the cloth to try and fix problems and in many instances only made the situation worse...
There is a reason the Accu-Rack will be the official rack of the US Open again this year and that the World Title events use templates.... It's the only way to level the field, eliminate the 10 re-racks with opponent racks, and eliminate the black cloud of thinking that the winner of the event was the best rack mechanic and not the best player.....
We had 1 re-rack last year at the Open and it was the first match when Frost got them a little crooked.... 1 re-rack ALLLLLLL week on the TV table... Shane didn't win but he became an ever bigger legend in how he lost..... And HE wants to play again this year the same exact way as last year so he can win his 5th with people thinking he is cheating......
If you are breaking from the same spot, then I would say you were being a little shady. If you read the rack and had to change where you break on each rack, then I would say you are very smart.
Flip_dat_Quarta
Banned
I broke from about 5 different spots
JC
Coos Cues
Balls are touching. Its gay
Manipulate the rack , use marked cards , play with loaded dice, do whatever you want, just don't complain when someone jumps up and down on your head for an hour when they catch you.
I agree 100% and you even told on yourself to start it off saying you KNEW that the rack had gaps and you did not try to fix them . Karma is a B%$#H and she will come back to bite you .
If you were racking the balls & accepted the rack with gaps without trying to fix them because you knew the wing ball would go, you are cheating & that is not debatable.
I won't do rack your own in 9 ball especially since I know how to rack with all the balls tight & touching yet knowing the wing ball won't go at least 85% of the time (being conservative as I have played whole sets where strong breakers never made the wing ball). However I am giving a completely tight rack which I will let my opponent see without issue.
I won't do rack your own in 9 ball especially since I know how to rack with all the balls tight & touching yet knowing the wing ball won't go at least 85% of the time (being conservative as I have played whole sets where strong breakers never made the wing ball). However I am giving a completely tight rack which I will let my opponent see without issue.
Pretty much just demolished your own argument here. You 2nd paragraph humiliates your first paragraph. You can either rack good, or you can't rack good. The only people that don't like rack your own are usually the ones that can't rack good. "Best I possibly can" represents a vast range. Many try their best, and put forth a 100% honest effort in doing so. They are just *not good* at making the balls freeze up. Who should suffer for that lack of ability?
KMRUNOUT
Huh? This post makes it sound like you don't like rack your own, because you don't know about the rack. The most reliable rack to "wire" the wing ball is a perfectly tight rack. There are many options that work almost as well, but none are as consistent and reliable as a perfectly frozen rack. No gaps are *required* to make the wing ball.
KMRUNOUT