What Type of Cueist Are You & Why Do You Think Your Way is Best?

I wonder if we can look forward to a "Goodbye Cruel Forum" post. Perhaps it could warrant it's own thread.:eek:

I do not think you can 'look forward' to anything like that.

I will not be forced to run off or chased off by bullies & hence there will not be a "Goodbye Cruel Forum" post.

The majority of members are not "cruel", even if a few are.

I think Most Members are very understanding of the realities as they exist here.

All Best Wishes for ALL.
 
I do not think you can 'look forward' to anything like that.

I will not be forced to run off or chased off by bullies & hence there will not be a "Goodbye Cruel Forum" post.

The majority of members are not "cruel", even if a few are.

I think Most Members are very understanding of the realities as they exist here.

All Best Wishes for ALL.

Don't let the haters get you down. :lovies::lovies::wub::wub::love2::love:
 
look hes a bigger mules rear than larry was.....he talks better and is more sneaky as some have mentinoned....but its all circular logic, never ever shows any type of explanation or proofs, demos.....

just supposed to take a crackpots word who came out of no where......

wish we could peek into his history and see how many other forums he's had to leave or blew up.

we have had mor than our share from the larrys, oysters, that just wanted to spew hate and project their illustrious images on to us....the same is happening here ladies and gents.

He's been banned once, he cant every help himself to no instigate and stir the pot.....i mean it would be diff if he would just back up what he says, but in the end it will just have him banned for life sooner than later.

and the reason all this will happen is it hurts to change, and ricks at heart just a wave maker trying to get attention or cause trouble.....

dont go out yalls way too much, dont get too pissed off at his bull corn, so that he gets soemone else in trouble....which is hiis only goal herebecaue he doens't teach or instruct anything much less having examples....nothin but heresay and trying to ride bigger names coat tails in for the win......he cant do anything.

Good luck trying to get me banned or get me to get myself banned......im not the one with the problems on this board. people like myself onthis board fix issues and problems, you create and perpetrate them.

baack to doing whtever it is your doing fish.

Contrived lol.....the way he uses the dam word, is unto itself.....contrived.

the more he talks the more he just reminds me of people like ER that are just mad at the world and fully cynical because in their mind they deserved something or something better than what they got.....and they didnt.....

it wont be hard to out live his tenure here people. Destructors destroy...just wait it'll come. he will blow himself up all by himslef just like he makes stuff up constantly, constantly insinuates lies just to get people to "look at me and my bag of poop im throwing while i use moderate words ...compares himself to JESUS......

i'm glad for these people like this....puts life in perspective....we or i could be like that......thank goodness I'm not. Woulnd't even show up here, sure as heck wouldnt ever have moved to the midwest....

this entire place knows what i'm about.....but pretty sure no one has a clue what your about except fiddling with your spoon.

-greyghost

-Greyghost
 
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Let me clear this up.

You're about one post away from the inevitable.

Never done this before and hope to never do again ...

Dave it might be time. IMO :
- ENGLISH! adds far more distraction to the forum than useful or interesting commentary
- he will never change as it seems he is blind to any of his own failings and has great difficulty comprehending criticism in any manner
- overall I feel the forum would be better without ENGLISH!

Respectfully,

Dave
 
Never done this before and hope to never do again ...

Dave it might be time. IMO :
- ENGLISH! adds far more distraction to the forum than useful or interesting commentary
- he will never change as it seems he is blind to any of his own failings and has great difficulty comprehending criticism in any manner
- overall I feel the forum would be better without ENGLISH!

Respectfully,

Dave
At least Rick is "ENGLISH!-ing" his own thread for a change. That's better than derailing a thread that actually contains substantive info and mature, interesting and productive discussion and debate.

Concerned with the state of AZB,
Dave
 
That is very good post, Sir.

I will relate something that I have seen in youth baseball.

A recreation dept. tried to improve the coaching by sending the coaches to clinics like hitting clinics & pitching clinics. That would be rather like the PBIA putting out a certain curriculum to teach or if almost all of the new instructors are being certified to teach by one or two of like minded individuals that are putting out one like philosophy.

Anyway, what was being taught was NOT natural & was also limiting in that it was basically just a make contact & put the ball in play type of swing. While making contact & just putting the ball in play can be a good thing... it is not hitting with power for doubles & triples & home runs or even an offensive single as it relies on either poor defense or lucky perfect placement.

One of the predominant components of what they wanted to be taught had the coaches telling boys to swing down with nearly every other sentence that came out of their mouths & I was of the 'opinion' that that was completely wrong & it certainly was producing some very bad baseball swings.

I voiced my feelings but was put down with, 'but that is what was said at the clinics.'.

I never taught what 'they' wanted to be taught because I knew that it was wrong & would never do that to a boy or young man.

Then... Major League Baseball Player Randy Bush moved into the area & they got him to give a coaches clinic. Well, I asked him about this crap of swinging down & he immediately said, 'No, No. What you want is the longest distance of flat level swing that you can get. Naturally the barrel of the bat is up higher than you shoulder & it must come down from there but you never want to be swinging down.'.

I think you can figure out the point of that story.

The thing is that if a boy is taught an inferior contrived swing that is contrived to just make contact then he may never find out if he could have been a home run hitter with his natural swing.

Naturally if he can not make contact with his natural swing it may need some tweaking or maybe an over all over haul.

The point is that the coach should not automatically teach that contrived swing until he & the player knows that his natural swing is rather useless.

There are two types of fundamentals. Fundamentals for a natural swing & fundamental for a contrived swing.

All Best Wishes for You & Yours & ALL.

PS CJ Wiley is certainly NOT my hero. If I have a hero he is no longer living here on this earth but instead is with His Father in Heaven.

Since you like stories, let me tell you a story about an individual that hangs around my poolhall, but every pool hall has at least one of these characters. Let's call him "Joe". Now Joe has been playing pool for a long time, everyone knows him and he is generally well liked, even if he can be a bit annoying. Joe plays at about a C+ speed, maybe B when the stars align, and througout the years he has played every top player in these parts, sometimes he has even lucked a win in short races. He has also had lessons from every great coach, only the very best of course. Joe likes to talk about his games against the players and his lessons, he loves to namedrop. Of course he only talks about his wins, and great shots, not so much his record against these players...

Anyhow, Joe has a lot of pool knowledge, but his raw skill is lacking. He can run a rack every now and then, but only the easy ones, and he often screws up. The reasons for this are a number of flaws in his alignment and his very jerky stroke. Of course this has all been pointed out to him a million times, by everyone with a set of eyes that knows him. I also know that the instructors he payed a lot of money told him this. The problem is, he doesn't want to change, because "he has to do it this way". I guess it feels "natural" to him. He really feels that his way of playing is the optimal one for him, even with all the evidence to the contrary. He doesn't want to put in the work required to change, and really only wants to brag about the lessons etc, not actually work hard on his game.

Joe would not be such a tragic case, if not for the fact that he wants to get better. If he merely was a social player, then all this would be a moot point, but deep down he really wants to succeed, if only he didn't have to work for it and admit to himself that maybe he was wrong. People like Joe, and they want him to succeed, but he cannot be helped by anyone, even the best coaches in the world, because of his stubborness.
 
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Since you like stories, let me tell you a story about an individual that hangs around my poolhall, but every pool hall has at least one of these characters. Let's call him "Joe". Now Joe has been playing pool for a long time, everyone knows him and he is generally well liked, even if he can be a bit annoying. Joe plays at about a C+ speed, maybe B when the stars align, and througout the years he has played every top player in these parts, sometimes he has even lucked a win in short races. He has also had lessons from every great coach, only the very best of course. Joe likes to talk about his games against the players and his lessons, he loves to namedrop. Of course he only talks about his wins, and great shots, not so much his record against these players...

Anyhow, Joe has a lot of pool knowledge, but his raw skill is lacking. He can run a rack every now and then, but only the easy ones, and he often screws up. The reasons for this are a number of flaws in his alignment and his very jerky stroke. Of course this has all been pointed out to him a million times, by everyone with a set of eyes that knows him. I also know that the instructors he payed a lot of money told him this. The problem is, he doesn't want to change, because "he has to do it this way". I guess it feels "natural" to him. He really feels that his way of playing is the optimal one for him, even with all the evidence to the contrary. He doesn't want to put in the work required to change, and really only wants to brag about the lessons etc, not actually work hard on his game.

Joe would not be such a tragic case, if not for the fact that he wants to get better. If he merely was a social player, then all this would be a moot point, but deep down he really wants to succeed, if only he didn't have to work for it and admit to himself that maybe he was wrong. People like Joe, and they want him to succeed, but he cannot be helped by anyone, even the best coaches in the world, because of his stubborness.

Do you know me? With my head hung low I weep like a child. Please forgive me for my stubbornness. I promise to change.
 
DaveK...You may have gotten your wish. It's been more than 8 hrs. since English posted in this thread. It appears that "all's quiet on the western front" and the lack of "quibbling" is very calming! :grin:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Never done this before and hope to never do again ...

Dave it might be time. IMO :
- ENGLISH! adds far more distraction to the forum than useful or interesting commentary
- he will never change as it seems he is blind to any of his own failings and has great difficulty comprehending criticism in any manner
- overall I feel the forum would be better without ENGLISH!

Respectfully,

Dave
 
No spoon fiddling, ED. It's a rule.

We eat with our hands in this house Ed....no spoons, no knives or forks. Because who needs spoons for Bread and baloney!

Save those for the caviar, and it better be one of those little tiny spoons that look silly.:thumbup:

going get a pepsi
 
Bruce,

I will say it again & every time that I see YOU bring it up.

I do NOT "know" you & given what you have shown, it would be foolish of me to have trust in you.

That does NOT mean that you are untrustworthy. I would not be surprised at all that your family & friends can trust you to the enth degree.

But given the situation, it would be foolish for ME to do so.

All Best Wishes for ALL.


yea i wouldn't trust him either.....given what he's shown......this kind of pure unadulterated garbage.....just another shill......

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=211149

the sarcasam is just leaking out of my skin.....we need more members like the O.P. of the above linked thread....glad your still here pal.

I forget alot....but you would be surprised about what i can bring recall....many of you have done awesome things on here, or at least just had some fun....i know its tought for some of us to have poo thrown all over the home we helped to build, starting long before azbilliards.....but i'll still take the poo if its the only way to have met, conversed and shared ideas with so many awesome people....weird people....funny people....geniuses...salts of the earth....

they could blow up the server with a small tacticle nuclear weapon.....still wouldn't change the facts of what many of us here helped to accomplish and still do every day.

Without a doubt.....many have showed up and deserve their reputations they have exponentially worked for.....some worked to have great ones, some worked to have not so good ones....and then theres the grey area ;)

Some have helped start run state funded national programs overseas, some school programs, some just posting insightful info for others to share and learn.....and a laugh or two along the way for many of us.......and the odd and strange occurrence of the love hate relationship with Fast Larry lol

Side note for the oldest of us members.....You know for years smorg and I talked about meeting up (you know he wanted to meet every last person here....i think we all know he was the best of us all.....set the bar we are still trying to leap over)....sad we never did. Last week I was trying to find my original user on the site for more mature and retired aficinado pool players (think and you know where i speak of lol)
and I realized that back in 2004 at Gradys Gulf Coast event.....no doubt smorg and I met.....because i can just imagine how I was lmfao....lone kid with nothing but the grown and some pretty greyd (oh snap!) legendary players.....wonder how long smorgs been laughing about that while hitting them on the great big track upstairs....which i'm sure has to be a 1940s 10x5 annivesary by the way...to which Jacks sittin on the throne (breit) ;)

Azbilliards forums....a member built "smorgasbord" encyclopedia of pool knowledge. Shirts anyone? :)
-G.G.
 
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We eat with our hands in this house Ed....no spoons, no knives or forks. Because who needs spoons for Bread and baloney!

Save those for the caviar, and it better be one of those little tiny spoons that look silly.:thumbup:

going get a pepsi


Chicken soup ain't finger food, Ed ... and mama says bread and baloney is the devil!
 
Chicken soup ain't finger food, Ed ... and mama says bread and baloney is the devil!

it is when you dont buy stirring spoons Ed....

tell mamma shes thinking of potted meat and money......

Jack ever climb that bean stalk and kill a giant in his many visits to his couch home?

i good you bid evening,
-Greyghost
 
Well; it's like this Scott.....I'm totally self -taught. I play in my basement. Until I started reading AZ three years ago, I had read virtually nothing about pool and owned no videos. It wasn't long after I started reading AZ that I was introduced to the pool musings of C J Wiley. His bits of instruction resonated with me immediately. It wasn't because he was a pro. (Ted Williams was a really bad manager) It was because there was a whole bunch of stuff he was thinking that I could relate to for the simple reason that....I HAD ALREADY THOUGHT THE SAME THING!

Basically; as I read him I'd recognize that he was teaching something I was in the process of discovering myself. In his case though, he had the whole thing laid out, structured, refined, and was explaining it in a way I could easily understand. He was explaining things I would have figured out myself eventually; but, I don't know how many years down the line that would take me, and I'm sure I would never have gotten to the "essence" of things as well as he.....after all, I'm just a guy in my basement.

I have white burns on the cloth at all four corners of my table. It's from practicing thousands of straight center - ball shots. There's nothing as pure and satisfying as shooting a full - table perfectly straight center - ball shot in the middle of the pocket while making the cue ball stop on a dime. It's pool ecstasy! On cut shots however, no matter how miniscule or sharp the cut, center ball shooting is not as effective as T.O.I. It's not nearly as effective!

I like making balls. If center ball shooting was more effective than T.O.I on cut shots, I'd be shooting center - ball on cut shots. I've shot center - ball on cut shots a zillion and four times. As I said, It's not as effective as T.O.I. It's not nearly as effective.

I really don't have a clue if CJ Wiley teaches shape, safety play, strategy, etc., any differently than many other instructors. Stroke and shot - making was the focus of his posting over here; but, having said all I just said above, I used to be absolutely dumb - founded at the criticism he received. Posters would call him every name in the book for espousing ideas THAT RESONATED WITH ME IMMEDIATELY!

If the ideas didn't resonate with those posters.....That's OK...." Different strokes for different folks.' What made me dumb - founded though, was how so many posters shook their heads in disbelief at what he was saying; while, as I said, IT RESONATED WITH ME IMMEDIATELY!

So on to Rick......C.J Wileys thoughts resonate with him immediately also. He was also dumb - founded by so many posters shaking their heads in disbelief at what Wiley was saying....a kindred soul with me in that respect... I listen when Rick expresses his distain for certain instructors; but I'm not yet educated enough to entirely agree or disagree. When those instructors he has distain for post, I'll read them with an open mind; but, if any instructor can't appreciate T.O.I or the teachings of C.J Wiley, I might ask them if they'll teach me something about shape, safety play, strategy, etc. if they are known to excel in teaching such subjects; but we'll have to agree to not broach the subject of shot - making.....I haven't gotten around to this though! I will I think. In the meantime, I'm fond of my basement!
 
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Well; it's like this Scott.....I'm totally self -taught. I play in my basement. Until I started reading AZ three years ago, I had read virtually nothing about pool and owned no videos. It wasn't long after I started reading AZ that I was introduced to the pool musings of C J Wiley. His bits of instruction resonated with me immediately. It wasn't because he was a pro. (Ted Williams was a really bad manager) It was because there was a whole bunch of stuff he was thinking that I could relate to for the simple reason that....I HAD ALREADY THOUGHT THE SAME THING!

Basically; as I read him I'd recognize that he was teaching something I was in the process of discovering myself. In his case though, he had the whole thing laid out, structured, refined, and was explaining it in a way I could easily understand. He was explaining things I would have figured out myself eventually; but, I don't know how many years down the line that would take me, and I'm sure I would never have gotten to the "essence" of things as well as he.....after all, I'm just a guy in my basement.

I have white burns on the cloth at all four corners of my table. It's from practicing thousands of straight center - ball shots. There's nothing as pure and satisfying as shooting a full - table perfectly straight center - ball shot in the middle of the pocket while making the cue ball stop on a dime. It's pool ecstasy! On cut shots however, no matter how miniscule or sharp the cut, center ball shooting is not as effective as T.O.I. It's not nearly as effective!

I like making balls. If center ball shooting was more effective than T.O.I on cut shots, I'd be shooting center - ball on cut shots. I've shot center - ball on cut shots a zillion and four times. As I said, It's not as effective as T.O.I. It's not nearly as effective.

I really don't have a clue if CJ Wiley teaches shape, safety play, strategy, etc., any differently than many other instructors. Stroke and shot - making was the focus of his posting over here; but, having said all I just said above, I used to be absolutely dumb - founded at the criticism he received. Posters would call him every name in the book for espousing ideas THAT RESONATED WITH ME IMMEDIATELY!

If the ideas didn't resonate with those posters.....That's OK...." Different strokes for different folks.' What made me dumb - founded though, was how so many posters shook their heads in disbelief at what he was saying; while, as I said, IT RESONATED WITH ME IMMEDIATELY!

So on to Rick......C.J Wileys thoughts resonate with him immediately also. He was also dumb - founded by so many posters shaking their heads in disbelief at what Wiley was saying....a kindred soul with me in that respect... I listen when Rick expresses his distain for certain instructors; but I'm not yet educated enough to entirely agree or disagree. When those instructors he has distain for post, I'll read them with an open mind; but, if any instructor can't appreciate T.O.I or the teachings of C.J Wiley, I might ask them if they'll teach me something about shape, safety play, strategy, etc. if they are known to excel in teaching such subjects; but we'll have to agree to not broach the subject of shot - making.....I haven't gotten around to this though! I will I think. In the meantime, I'm fond of my basement!

If that is really what you got out of all those posts, you might want to try reading them again. You clearly didn't understand much of what was written.
 
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