New MC cup captain team USA

JAM said:
Personally, I don't care for this choice, but my opinion really doesn't matter.

Some Americans look at the Mosconi Cup as if it's a free jelly roll and that they're on vacation. Win or lose, they come home with some cheese. I think the last time, Johnny's children may have been a distraction to him when they were running up and down the aisles in the stands, coming up to him and speaking to him while he's in the heat of the battle.

I would rather see someone with a little more hunger to win as the co-captain with Johann.

Sorry, Johnny, if you're reading this. I hope you prove me wrong. :cool:
Click to expand...

1000% agree.
 
BRussell said:
Two pieces of news:
1. He gets to pick the team from the top 10 in points, instead of using the top 3 plus the coaches picks.
2. He has picked Johnny Archer as vice-captain.

I hadn't heard either of those before.
Click to expand...

Archer, one of the symbols of recent American futility as captain of the 2013 that was massacred 11-2, is a pathetic choice. Though he's an all-time great player and a many time Mosconi winner, if his track record as a member of the PBT tour, Camel Tour and the ABP are any indication, we can expect him to favor his friends where possible.

Choosing any five of the top ten is a good idea in theory, but it bring more politics into the mix. Still, if Johann uses this option skillfully and keeps the politics out of it, this rule may allow him to go with young tactically skillful players like Bergman, Dominguez and Thorpe even if they don't accumulate the Mosconi ranking points. Those three guys should, perhaps, form the nucleus of the next few American teams. We'll see how Johann applies the rule.
 
Johnny Archer=more BS. This gets worse all the time. Lets have Asia vs Europe and watch Europe get it's ass kicked. Johnnyt
 
WOW. Now the haters are turning on JA. One of the nicest guys in pool. Oh, he lost once as captain. Big Whoop. He's now got Johann with him, and maybe they learn a little from each other.

You folks take this shit WAY to seriously and way to personal to insult a HOF player on this board. Yeah, like a multiple world champion and former MC player has no perspective to offer to the young guns that will be playing this year ?? WOW
 
ChicagoRJ said:
WOW. Now the haters are turning on JA. One of the nicest guys in pool. Oh, he lost once as captain. Big Whoop. He's now got Johann with him, and maybe they learn a little from each other.

You folks take this shit WAY to seriously and way to personal to insult a HOF player on this board. Yeah, like a multiple world champion and former MC player has no perspective to offer to the young guns that will be playing this year ?? WOW
Click to expand...

I don't believe anyone is disrespecting him -- well, at least I'm not. I have a great deal of respect for him as a family man and as a professional player for what he's accomplished in his life.

I just remember his last performance as a team co-captain at the Mosconi Cup in Vegas. Was it 3 years ago? I can't remember. To me, that is what is disconcerting. I hope he proves me wrong and turns out to be the the change agent for Team USA. :cool:
 
JAM said:
I don't believe anyone is disrespecting him -- well, at least I'm not. I have a great deal of respect for him as a family man and as a professional player for what he's accomplished in his life.

I just remember his last performance as a team co-captain at the Mosconi Cup in Vegas. Was it 3 years ago? I can't remember. To me, that is what is disconcerting. I hope he proves me wrong and turns out to be the the change agent for Team USA. :cool:
Click to expand...

Yeah, I remember it too. But, why would that matter now? But I was talking about folks throwing out words like "pathetic" and other crap. Just down right insulting but I don't have pool fan elite status, so I guess it's OK for others to trash players when you have that honorary title. I mean, this is NOT NPR ;)

Again, folks that wanna put up $100K to run their own tourney, have at it. But this is pool, i guess it wouldn't be right without the knockers ;)
 
ChicagoRJ said:
Yeah, I remember it too. But, why would that matter now? But I was talking about folks throwing out words like "pathetic" and other crap. Just down right insulting but I don't have pool fan elite status, so I guess it's OK for others to trash players when you have that honorary title. I mean, this is NOT NPR ;)

Again, folks that wanna put up $100K to run their own tourney, have at it. But this is pool, i guess it wouldn't be right without the knockers ;)
Click to expand...

True dat. There will always be knockers in the wonderful world of pool. :p

I don't care anymore about the Mosconi Cup. This latest move does not agree with me.

For those who enjoy the Mosconi Cup, I hope it is as great as it can be for them.

I won't be rooting for anyone. It's politics at its finest here that favors one and not the whole.
 
New MC Captain

Wow ! ......... Just Wow !!

I just came in and seen this. wow.

Johann has obviously done something right with the European team. Given the same format and training there should be no reason for the American team to lose.
 
ChicagoRJ said:
Yeah, I remember it too. But, why would that matter now? But I was talking about folks throwing out words like "pathetic" and other crap. Just down right insulting but I don't have pool fan elite status, so I guess it's OK for others to trash players when you have that honorary title. I mean, this is NOT NPR ;)

Again, folks that wanna put up $100K to run their own tourney, have at it. But this is pool, i guess it wouldn't be right without the knockers ;)
Click to expand...

List 3 things in pool JA has done the last 3 years that merits his appointment.

Should you start with his negative Facebook posts over the current/recent players that have been on the Mosconi Cup or his view on who was captain the past 3 years? Well maybe you shouldn't list that cause that would be making it OK to trash players.
 
I'm gonna say that I'm not enamored by the MC captain pick for the simple reason Johan isn't American. This is a Euro vs USA event and feel it should have maintained that premise in all aspects.

I also happen to think that we have just as good of players in the USA as Europe. I feel we pocket balls as well and play shape as well as any in spite of the various folks saying otherwise.

However, I feel the USA players have a differing mentality unbecoming a team atmosphere. I've also found it amazing how Europe can be successful while overcoming communication barriers, geographical division, and overall lack of historical experience.

I also felt Mark was a great choice for captain. If some of you remember I brought up the selection process needs to be transparent and qualification criteria needs to be implemented. My hats off to Mark for helping make that process more clear to not only the fans but most importantly to the players. I supported the team financially as well.

With all that said, I think there are very few people who have Zen like qualities to bring the team to the strongest competitive mentality possible. I do believe Johan has that in spades. I just wish he were American. I'm sure there are lots of dynamics in play beyond my understanding and knowledge and hold fast to the goal-WIN MOSCONI CUP!

Maybe, just maybe this can help bring a new dimension to the sport overall and foster a more global package sellable/marketable to a larger audience. One never knows but what may transpire but I'll refrain from being negative about it.

The bigger picture I fear is that the powers that be have implemented what they feel is a strong variable in Johan to turnaround the losing USA Team before the Mosconi Cup is no longer marketable. I don't think Barry wants that so he is pulling out all the stops to insure the MC continues to grow. If Johan can't get the job done then I'm quite certain monumental changes are in the works to save the MC.

Just my opinion...
 
JAM said:
True dat. There will always be knockers in the wonderful world of pool. :p

I don't care anymore about the Mosconi Cup. This latest move does not agree with me.

For those who enjoy the Mosconi Cup, I hope it is as great as it can be for them.

I won't be rooting for anyone. It's politics at its finest here that favors one and not the whole.
Click to expand...


I don't think it's politics. Having had some time to think about this decision and my best guess at what BH objective is with his business model it's probably the gate #'s. If the viewership numbers fall off or flat line....US not winning in years....the luster of the event diminishes greatly, and something has to be done. I think he miscued on this decision.

A comparison in Boxing;
There's no way BH would even consider putting a lamb up against Manny P in his prime DUH $$$$$$$$$$$$, that's they way this event is starting to play out, US is not what it once was on camera, so he's made this decision.

Years ago, tennis realized they had a problem once Sampras and Agassi's days were nearing their end. There were no Americans on the horizon to fill the gaps. What did the USTA do, they started doing more instruction and training and developing of their young players to fill the gaps that were coming. With US pool, this is not even a possibility, there's no organization for the pros. Hearn awarding points to different events to qualify was a good start, but. Pool players in the US have never had this mindset of training, ever....
 
Last edited:
watchez said:
List 3 things in pool JA has done the last 3 years that merits his appointment.

Should you start with his negative Facebook posts over the current/recent players that have been on the Mosconi Cup or his view on who was captain the past 3 years? Well maybe you shouldn't list that cause that would be making it OK to trash players.
Click to expand...

So, there has to be recent stuff to be appointed as a co-captain of team MC, and event that is not even on TV, and is not watched by almost the entire world.

World Champions, HOF, MC player, etc, be damned. I don't know anything about negative stuff about current players or coaches, never seen it. Feel free to post it if you want. Can't comment on something I'm not aware of nor have ever seen.
 
ChicagoRJ said:
So, there has to be recent stuff to be appointed as a co-captain of team MC, and event that is not even on TV, and is not watched by almost the entire world.

World Champions, HOF, MC player, etc, be damned. I don't know anything about negative stuff about current players or coaches, never seen it. Feel free to post it if you want. Can't comment on something I'm not aware of nor have ever seen.
Click to expand...

Sent you a PM. :smile:
 
ChicagoRJ said:
WOW. Now the haters are turning on JA. One of the nicest guys in pool. Oh, he lost once as captain. Big Whoop. He's now got Johann with him, and maybe they learn a little from each other.

You folks take this shit WAY to seriously and way to personal to insult a HOF player on this board. Yeah, like a multiple world champion and former MC player has no perspective to offer to the young guns that will be playing this year ?? WOW
Click to expand...

I don't "hate" on JA. No disrespect to him as a player whatsoever. And I enjoyed his TAR interviews. I think he's probably a very solid guy, for the most part, and one of the greats to play the game.

I do remember the ABP stuff rather well, tho. And the fact that they will be able to pick who plays for the US, in combination with JA's involvement in that process....well, lets just say that I would love to be surprised when they announce the team. I don't expect to be.

Politics and pool don't often mesh well.
 
justadub said:
I don't "hate" on JA. No disrespect to him as a player whatsoever. And I enjoyed his TAR interviews. I think he's probably a very solid guy, for the most part, and one of the greats to play the game.

I do remember the ABP stuff rather well, tho. And the fact that they will be able to pick who plays for the US, in combination with JA's involvement in that process....well, lets just say that I would love to be surprised when they announce the team. I don't expect to be.

Politics and pool don't often mesh well.
Click to expand...

Tap, tap, tap!
 
Now, now. Those who disapprove of the Archer pick still respect that he is one of the all-time greats and that he has been a mover and shaker in our sport for a long time. Those credentials, however, don't make him the right choice at this time for assistant captain. My preference is to assume that Matchroom forced this upon Johann, for if I'm wrong, then Johann's first significant decision as Coach of Team USA is a bust.
 
Last edited:
ChicagoRJ said:
So, there has to be recent stuff to be appointed as a co-captain of team MC, and event that is not even on TV, and is not watched by almost the entire world.

World Champions, HOF, MC player, etc, be damned. I don't know anything about negative stuff about current players or coaches, never seen it. Feel free to post it if you want. Can't comment on something I'm not aware of nor have ever seen.
Click to expand...

Just go on to his Facebook page and scroll back the last couple of years. Although some he did delete after posting.
 
justadub said:
I do remember the ABP stuff rather well, tho. And the fact that they will be able to pick who plays for the US, in combination with JA's involvement in that process....well, lets just say that I would love to be surprised when they announce the team. I don't expect to be.

Politics and pool don't often mesh well.
Click to expand...

The ABP was the biggest joke in pool in the past decade. They 'named' Oscar Dominguez treasurer and when I asked Oscar about it, he had no idea what I was talking about.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top