BECUE arrived - review

My prediction based on absolutely nothing said on here is that these cues will never be popular or big sellers. Carbon fiber and synthetic cues have been around a long time and never caught on. I've played with a couple and there just is no feel to the hit. They feel clunky and artificial, which they are. Pretty hard to replace the feel of a wood cue. Of course metal tennis rackets replaced wood rackets and golf clubs have followed suit, so I could be wrong here. It wouldn't be the first time. :p
 
jay helfert said:
My prediction based on absolutely nothing said on here is that these cues will never be popular or big sellers. Carbon fiber and synthetic cues have been around a long time and never caught on. I've played with a couple and there just is no feel to the hit. They feel clunky and artificial, which they are. Pretty hard to replace the feel of a wood cue. Of course metal tennis rackets replaced wood rackets and golf clubs have followed suit, so I could be wrong here. It wouldn't be the first time. :p
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I feel the same way.

I also think I am likely wrong.

With manipulation of technology and materials they will be able to replicate any feel, sound, etc that people want or like.

It's a matter of time.

There are discussions here on the forums about such cues from the nineties that were pricey. This isn't so new. Numerous different makers and types.

Cuemaker and AZB member Cuttlefish did it.
McDermott did it. (Balicini and Element cue)
Longoni Did it.
Numerous others have done it.

There was at least one make back in the nineties with a similar weight system to the Becue.


http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=296259


It's just a matter of time I think.

I love the wood. I know how you feel. But I think we will eventually be wrong.


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jay helfert said:
My prediction based on absolutely nothing said on here is that these cues will never be popular or big sellers. Carbon fiber and synthetic cues have been around a long time and never caught on. I've played with a couple and there just is no feel to the hit. They feel clunky and artificial, which they are. Pretty hard to replace the feel of a wood cue. Of course metal tennis rackets replaced wood rackets and golf clubs have followed suit, so I could be wrong here. It wouldn't be the first time. :p
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I would tend to agree with you, but the other sports you mentioned required a ton of force put into "shots". That level of force in not in pool. It comes close on the break but thats it. Metal became a requirement for golf and tennis... I cant see it being like that for pool.
 
jay helfert said:
My prediction based on absolutely nothing said on here is that these cues will never be popular or big sellers. Carbon fiber and synthetic cues have been around a long time and never caught on. I've played with a couple and there just is no feel to the hit. They feel clunky and artificial, which they are. Pretty hard to replace the feel of a wood cue. Of course metal tennis rackets replaced wood rackets and golf clubs have followed suit, so I could be wrong here. It wouldn't be the first time. :p
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I agree.

I think pool will die out completely before these cues ever become more popular than wood. The price of the cues will have to come WAY, WAY DOWN before people in China, the Philippines, etc. can afford them. The people in the countries who may be able to afford them are playing less and less pool. Pool is more popular in countries that are less economically affluent than the USA.
 
other sports replaced wood to save weight, golf, tennis, hockey, etc.....players sacrificed "feel" for power

a little different in pool as your 20 oz wood cue will be replaced by a 20 oz whatever

you lose some feel for what exactly? slightly less deflection and maybe a bit more spin

its been a while now since pred gen 1 and the advancements have been minimal

i play with any cue, all straight shafts can do the same thing,

now design the perfect chalkless tip and I'll PAY for any monstrosity of a cue made of anything
 
Revo or Becue

I'm kinda torn on which one to get now. I have played with the Revo and like how it feels. It has a very nice hit to me. How does the Revo's hit compare to the Becue? I see in videos that Becue is not supposed to produce alot of swerve. Is it noticeably less swerve then the Revo?
 
05carbondrz said:
Man! That thing is the top of the Line.
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In the old days hustlers would buy these cheap cues (just find a straight one) and fix the tips and go into poolrooms and bars. One look and everyone thought they were stone suckers.
Yes, there were really hustlers that used tricks to get pool games and rob the unsuspecting! Sorry if I'm politically incorrect in revealing this. As for me I never did that. I played off the wall and carried my tip shaping and shaft smoothing tools in my pocket. I hope that doesn't offend anyone's sensibilities.
 
jay helfert said:
Of course metal tennis rackets replaced wood rackets and golf clubs have followed suit, so I could be wrong here. It wouldn't be the first time. :p
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I'm not going to say you're behind the times, Jay, but graphite and carbon fiber is replacing metal in both golf clubs and tennis rackets.

I changed my mind. You might be a little behind the times. :wink:

I'll get a BeCue in a week or so. If it's any good, I'm driving straight to your house to show you.

Ever come up to Pismo anymore Jay??
 
jameslawrence39 said:
I'm kinda torn on which one to get now. I have played with the Revo and like how it feels. It has a very nice hit to me. How does the Revo's hit compare to the Becue? I see in videos that Becue is not supposed to produce alot of swerve. Is it noticeably less swerve then the Revo?
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The stick does not affect the swerve, only the deflection (squirt). The swerve happens well after contact. The squirt happens during contact.
 
TATE said:
I'm not going to say you're behind the times, Jay, but graphite and carbon fiber is replacing metal in both golf clubs and tennis rackets.

I changed my mind. You might be a little behind the times. :wink:

I'll get a BeCue in a week or so. If it's any good, I'm driving straight to your house to show you.

Ever come up to Pismo anymore Jay??
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It's been a while. My next trip north will be this summer. I'll give you a heads up.
 
jameslawrence39 said:
I'm kinda torn on which one to get now. I have played with the Revo and like how it feels. It has a very nice hit to me. How does the Revo's hit compare to the Becue? I see in videos that Becue is not supposed to produce alot of swerve. Is it noticeably less swerve then the Revo?
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FYI the safe bet to buy a cue is the Revo if you like it. There will undoubtedly be a better resale market due to the mass marketing, popularity and novelty effect of the new design. If ultimately you don't like it, there will be a large resale market at near retail prices for awhile yet.

I ordered a Becue just to try it out. I can always try a Revo but the Becue is going to be rare and hard to find unless they catch on. Mine is now made and will be shipped from Italy in the next day or two. I will also do a review and try to do my best to measure it up against my favorite LD shaft, the Tiger Pro X. I am going to get into a lot of detail when the cue comes in. I will be critical. If it's bad, I'm not going to lie about it. I am mainly interested in the performance characteristics of the cue. How it sounds and feels to me doesn't make much difference to me as long as I can apply consistent, controllable power and spin with it with reasonable, repeatable squirt.

Just a word of caution. First impressions don't always last. You might want to try a product for at least a few months to decide if your game has improved using it. I can tell you when LD shafts were introduced, I know players who started off with their 314's and liked them, then watched as their game went downhill over a period of months or even years. The light weight at the tip end of a cue is not for everybody.
 
Shaft only

Pool is way different than other sports. In no other sport is the tool used to play it
a work of art. Many times purchased for a huge amount with out even the slightest
intention of ever hitting a ball. I believe if the research and technology was put into
the shaft, these would have a good chance of becoming the thing of the future.
Any cue that I get no matter who the builder, it feels and plays a little different
from shaft to shaft. Since you are dealing with wood which no two pieces are the
same it is impossible for them to be exactly alike. If the carbon shafts could be produced
that had a good feel, sound, color, etc. and be available as blanks without the joint
bands to cue builders, I think that would be great. I realize that the shafts are made
to fit the butt, but if the shafts as blanks came at say .840, 850 the cue maker knowing
that this cue is going to have a carbon shaft could make it match up. If they came in
different tapers, deflection, etc. you could tailor it the way you want it knowing it
could be replaced exactly. This would seem to me to be a good thing for custom
cue builders because shafts cause a lot problems, getting two the same weight
the same hit and so on. This would eliminate a lot of headaches for builders, and
so many change to a after market shaft anyway. But there is probably not enough
money in pool to do the research and what it would take. You could still have your
custom cue just like you want it to look and PLAY right from the builder.
jack
 
Went ahead and just got the REVO I would love to get on board with Becue but I just can't take that leap without at least trying it first. Tate let me know how the becue plays.
 
Did you get your Cue?

TATE said:
FYI the safe bet to buy a cue is the Revo if you like it. There will undoubtedly be a better resale market due to the mass marketing, popularity and novelty effect of the new design. If ultimately you don't like it, there will be a large resale market at near retail prices for awhile yet.

I ordered a Becue just to try it out. I can always try a Revo but the Becue is going to be rare and hard to find unless they catch on. Mine is now made and will be shipped from Italy in the next day or two. I will also do a review and try to do my best to measure it up against my favorite LD shaft, the Tiger Pro X. I am going to get into a lot of detail when the cue comes in. I will be critical. If it's bad, I'm not going to lie about it. I am mainly interested in the performance characteristics of the cue. How it sounds and feels to me doesn't make much difference to me as long as I can apply consistent, controllable power and spin with it with reasonable, repeatable squirt.

Just a word of caution. First impressions don't always last. You might want to try a product for at least a few months to decide if your game has improved using it. I can tell you when LD shafts were introduced, I know players who started off with their 314's and liked them, then watched as their game went downhill over a period of months or even years. The light weight at the tip end of a cue is not for everybody.
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Hi Mr. Tate, I was wondering if you got your cue and your initial impressions?
 
9ballhasbeen said:
Hi Mr. Tate, I was wondering if you got your cue and your initial impressions?
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Yes, believe it or not Alessandro sent it to me Friday and I received it yesterday. The service is incredible.

I have asked him for a lot of technical information and I am preparing my review. I will say in terms of performance, I am more confident putting extreme inside and power strokes on the cueball than with my own cue (Tiger Pro X). I can also aim and pocket better with it. It's very consistent. Marek is absolutely right about the white color. The low gloss white is an alignment aid that stays in your field of vision no matter where your eyes shift.

I don't have quite the fine cue ball control yet so I am giving my game a chance to fully adjust to the strong taper and feel before posting the results. I haven't decided if I'm going to switch to the BeCue yet. videos will come - may take a week but stay tuned...

Unlike Marek, I would not put the cue in the low squirt category. It plays somewhere between an LD shaft and a solid shaft.
 
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