lol, there isn't a player alive that wouldn't give his left nut to be the guy who broke the 526.
There are plenty of old Brunswicks still around...
Lou Figueroa
just sayin'
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lol, there isn't a player alive that wouldn't give his left nut to be the guy who broke the 526.
There are plenty of old Brunswicks still around...
Lou Figueroa
just sayin'
You are talking about 9 ball skills... Breaking, racking, kicking, runout. Patterns I'd argue the old players could spot the new ones the 5 out, because 14.1 is THE pattern game
There is no player alive today that could travel across the country, walk into a different room 300 days of the year, and run 100 every time the way Mosconi did.
Lou Figueroa
Anyone that ever saw Mosconi play on "Bertha the Box" the super tight 5x10 table in Philly would laugh at all the comments about his not being able to play on tight pockets.
When most of the Worlds' best players could not run 9 balls on this table Mosconi gave many of them the 5 ball and won.
I never attended one of his exhibitions where he failed to run at least 100 balls.
Sure, he didn't have the greatest personality but he could sure play pool.
Bill S.
When most of the Worlds' best players could not run 9 balls on this table Mosconi gave many of them the 5 ball and won.
I never attended one of his exhibitions where he failed to run at least 100 balls.
Sure, he didn't have the greatest personality but he could sure play pool.
Bill S.
You are talking about 9 ball skills... Breaking, racking, kicking, runout. Patterns I'd argue the old players could spot the new ones the 5 out, because 14.1 is THE pattern game
It's a good point. Watching a competition like the MC where you can see the players side-by-side, you can actually see by their patterns, which players play 14.1 and which guys are rotation players.
Lou Figueroa
I have a friend that told me the same thing.
He had seen Mosconi spotting really good players the 5 ball in 9 ball.
What did you think of Joe Procita?
Almost no one knows who he was, yet about 5 years he came in second to Mosconi as world champion.
I was told Procita also gambled .
No proof...no case.
(about the only thing I do agree with from that person)
Keep on truckin'
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As one of the esteemed posters to this site has once stated.........."show video or movie of this famous playing. No video or movie......and it didn't happen".
(about the only thing I do agree with from that person)
Keep on truckin'
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Really? Ease of recording is era specific. You might as well ask for video of Mingaud.
Back in the day there was no video, TV was just coming in with big bulky cameras; occasionally there'd be some film shot for a newsreel or a short, but that even that wasn't done much. That's why we have so little footage of guys like Mosconi, Greenleaf, Crane, Caras, Procita, et al in action. Even later we still don't have much of Lassiter, Danny Jones, Joe Balsis, Weenie Beanie, Cowboy Jimmy Moore and the rest.
Nowadays everyone carries still and video in their back pocket.
Lou Figueroa
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Because nobody gets paid to play straight pool exhibition on those tables anymore.
Hohmann would have run 526 now if he had been getting paid to do the same exhibition for a decade.
Sad to read what appears to be resentment being expressed by Grady Matthews.
I don't know that to be be true but it happens in every other sport why not pool.
It sure sounds like that based upon Willie's accomplishments & his enormous talent.
Except for the stubborn minded, Jack Nicklaus is indeed the greatest golfer of all time.
Well, one would have to be narrow minded to quarrel that Willie Mosconi was the greatest.
His tournament record on 10' tables that the greatest legends in pool competed on is unmatched.
In tournaments, Willie played on whatever table was used but exhibitions, he had to use Brunswick.
Touring pros under contract to Brunswick were contractually obligated to use their sponsor's tables.
Pockets weren't made bigger for Willie and he didn't get to pick the table models either or alter them.
It is interesting how decades after his passing, Willie still is the yardstick everyone gets compared with.
Mr. Mosconi was a very rare talent that has yet to be appear again and isn't likely to any time soon.
I wonder how many of the posters have actually played much straight pool on a ten (10) ft pool table?
Anyone that has will be in awe of his tournament runouts unmatched to this day even on smaller 9ft tables.
Matt B.
I don't know that to be be true but it happens in every other sport why not pool.
It sure sounds like that based upon Willie's accomplishments & his enormous talent.
Except for the stubborn minded, Jack Nicklaus is indeed the greatest golfer of all time.
Well, one would have to be narrow minded to quarrel that Willie Mosconi was the greatest.
His tournament record on 10' tables that the greatest legends in pool competed on is unmatched.
In tournaments, Willie played on whatever table was used but exhibitions, he had to use Brunswick.
Touring pros under contract to Brunswick were contractually obligated to use their sponsor's tables.
Pockets weren't made bigger for Willie and he didn't get to pick the table models either or alter them.
It is interesting how decades after his passing, Willie still is the yardstick everyone gets compared with.
Mr. Mosconi was a very rare talent that has yet to be appear again and isn't likely to any time soon.
I wonder how many of the posters have actually played much straight pool on a ten (10) ft pool table?
Anyone that has will be in awe of his tournament runouts unmatched to this day even on smaller 9ft tables.
Matt B.
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Maybe.
Many folks have killed bears with switches, but I havent seen or believed that either.
It took years and years for Babe Ruth's record to be broken.
Im not saying it wouldnt be broken, but IMO, its not child play.
Ken
Absolutely!
Jayson Shaw, Appleton, or one of their running mates would be long gone with that money.
I wish someone would post only $10,000...that would get those hungry wolves out for some fresh blood.
I'd bet a little of my own money that one of them would, under the stated conditions, bust that record run in 45 days or less.
Keep on truckin'
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526 Record Challenge
I suggest that some pool company or rich pool patron secure a meeting room for several months at a Las Vegas hotel with a first class eight foot Brunswick pool table set up just like the one Mosconi used for his record. Then invite the world's top pool players to each come for two days and have the room to themselves to try to run 527, with a $50,000 cash prize. Each player would sign up for two reserved days and could play as little or as much as the player desired in those two days to try to beat Mosconi's record. It would all be videoed and there would be a first class referee on hand at all times to make sure everything was done properly. Tickets could be sold (or given) to people who wanted to watch.
Then we could put to rest all these arguments about whether current players could or could not beat 526.
What do you think?
I suggest that some pool company or rich pool patron secure a meeting room for several months at a Las Vegas hotel with a first class eight foot Brunswick pool table set up just like the one Mosconi used for his record. Then invite the world's top pool players to each come for two days and have the room to themselves to try to run 527, with a $50,000 cash prize. Each player would sign up for two reserved days and could play as little or as much as the player desired in those two days to try to beat Mosconi's record. It would all be videoed and there would be a first class referee on hand at all times to make sure everything was done properly. Tickets could be sold (or given) to people who wanted to watch.
Then we could put to rest all these arguments about whether current players could or could not beat 526.
What do you think?
I'm inclined to go along with Grady Matthews' observations. Grady was on top of the pool action in this country.
As far as "documentation and witnesses" go.......there were hundreds of witnesses and documentation in Jewish history to the resurrected Jesus Christ too. Yet, today, most of the world says it was "all fantasyland"......(no video, you know).
Most of that straight pool history reminds me of old men living in the past and longing for the days of hundreds of pool rooms in NYC.
Maybe we should ask how come nobody during those days ran 10 racks of 9-ball in a match?
Exactly. They didn't play 9-ball.
I once asked Efren about the 526. Efren said that was an exhibition. Not a tournament .
And in tournaments, they stop after you hit the set . So, Sigel really never even tried to hit 526 after going 150 and out .
Exactly. They didn't play 9-ball.
I once asked Efren about the 526. Efren said that was an exhibition. Not a tournament .
And in tournaments, they stop after you hit the set . So, Sigel really never even tried to hit 526 after going 150 and out .
Two days ain't enough time...and why does it have to be in Las Vegas?
What makes Las Vegas THE spot for this auspicious occasion?
Why not Minneapolis in the summertime. Why not Chattanooga, Tennessee...Tokyo, Japan, or Buffalo, NY...?
The reason it won't happen is that the general public just simply doesn't give a damn about pool, pool history, pool records, or pool players. They have too many other interests. Nobody shows up but pool players looking for stakehorses.
Corresponding with the time-worn comment of..........."How to make a million dollars in the pool room business? Answer: Start with two million"
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Yup. And Mosconi was 60 at the time (early 1974) to Williams' 40.