carbon fiber shafts

ideologist said:
That's apples and oranges, lack of dings don't make you play better.

I'm not ranting for like or dislike of Revo shafts, but saying they are the future because of no dings is pretty specious reasoning. They don't play "better" and don't help the player perform better. You still have to adjust for the amount of squirt regardless of what shaft you use.
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Maybe I wasn't clear. Let me try to explain my reasoning. I switched to a revo shaft knowing that it was going to require an overhaul in my game (aiming) mostly because I hate dings so much that the simple fact that the shaft will not ding up with normal use was enough for me to make the change and suffer through the learning curve, that's it.

It wasn't worth it for me to put the time and effort into shooting with a wood low deflection shaft because they can still ding up, and as I previously mentioned, I hate dings.

Now that I have put some time and effort into this, I've come to believe that my overall performance will increase eventually because the shaft is low enough deflection that I can effectively use the parallel shift aiming method and get the job done. Whether my game improves or not has yet to be proven but that's what I believe because it just makes sense that the simpler system should be easier to master over time and should reduce my unforced errors.

So, I switched for one reason, but I've found another reason to stick with it.
 
Scott Lee said:
Chris...Don't know if you know this, but Steel Stix were the prototypes for Cuetec. They came out of the same factory in China, and were imported to the USA by the same person, just prior to Cuetec. I sold a whole bunch of Steel Stix cues in MT in the 80's...and then a bunch of Cuetecs in the 90's. Strickland's white Cuetec was a really hot seller...everybody wanted to own the cue that Earl Strickland played with. :D When Cuetec became established, the company (J.S.Sales) discontinued production of Steel Stix cues.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
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Ah, that's where they went...Thanks for the info Scott :)
 
I haven’t read up on them but is the carbon fiber simply to insure they stay straight, just like the laminated aspect.
 
Carbon-fiber allows a designer to pretty much do anything he wants. I know with golf shafts you can custom tailor weight, flex, torque and balance point to suit players of any level. I'm sure Predator has built a shaft with the parameters they feel fit the most players but there's nothing stopping them from custom building these to order. The cost factor would definitely be an issue on one-off designs.
 
garczar said:
The cost factor would definitely be an issue on one-off designs.
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It seems the cost factor is an issue now, at $499 the shaft alone cost more than their entire low end cue. If not the cost factor its the fad factor.

I have never held one so im ignorant to their potential capabilities but everything Predator states in their description can be achieved by building a wood shaft...except the guarantee of warpage. A lot of people had no idea that the laminated design had nothing to do with LD, that was Predators first attempt at making a shaft stay straight longer. I guess when all the top pros start using them we'll know its not just the fact that theyll never warp.
 
I tried a Revo shaft last night for the first time. My opinion of it was that it had a terrible "feel" or "hit", for a lack of better words it felt kind of dead, just a dull little thud when striking center ball. In the Revo's defense I have no idea what tip was on it, I believe it still had the original tip. As far as the overall feel of the shaft it felt nice and smooth, it was just like my 3 year old G-Core shaft but my shaft feels slightly more finely finished or polished.
 
Time will tell, but so far this is my experience between my wood shafts and revo:

Wood........i beat the 9 and 10 ball ghost at most 50% of the time.

Revo......ive been averaging 75% or better against 9 and 10 ball ghost using same table, balls, rules etc....

Jeff
 
what is the size shaft and the taper

i want to try a thin stiff shaft
black or white shaft

who has one fs
 
fastone371 said:
I tried a Revo shaft last night for the first time. My opinion of it was that it had a terrible "feel" or "hit", for a lack of better words it felt kind of dead, just a dull little thud when striking center ball. In the Revo's defense I have no idea what tip was on it, I believe it still had the original tip. As far as the overall feel of the shaft it felt nice and smooth, it was just like my 3 year old G-Core shaft but my shaft feels slightly more finely finished or polished.
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I also felt the shafts were dead and felt terrible at first, definitely muted. What overcame that was getting used to it and breaking the tip in. I prefer a harder tip on them. The benefit was the hit felt pretty much the same high, low , left right or any combination,. Once you adapt to a CF shaft, going back to a wooden shaft is quite an experience. You can really feel the "boing". In my opinion CF shafts are more consistent from all over the cue ball and no surprises. Power off center shots are considerably more reliable.
 
TATE said:
I also felt the shafts were dead and felt terrible at first, definitely muted. What overcame that was getting used to it and breaking the tip in. I prefer a harder tip on them. The benefit was the hit felt pretty much the same high, low , left right or any combination,. Once you adapt to a CF shaft, going back to a wooden shaft is quite an experience. You can really feel the "boing". In my opinion CF shafts are more consistent from all over the cue ball and no surprises. Power off center shots are considerably more reliable.
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This is a very astute post by Tate.
Like any cue, just hitting a few shots right out of the box won't give you a true picture.
I made a promise with myself I was going to play with the BeCue for 6 months and go from there. After six months, for confirmation, I went back and tried the old wood shaft....THAT was when it all solidified.

It just seemed like every vibration, whippy, uneven feel was amplified times 10. And that was the last time I used the wood shaft. Been shooting with BeCue for over a year now and loving every minute of it.

Another cool thing with carbon fiber is that you can actually get a true feel for the tip, tip quality, and tip performance.

Since the carbon fiber never alters over time or wears over hours of play, you get the same hit every time, so when a new tip is installed, you get a true feel for that tip. I have a Kamui black medium on a 7 year old Z2, and a Kamui black medium on a brand new Longoni s2....both feel completely different, so it would be hard to judge the performance of that tip consistently.
But I also have two BeCue Prime shafts, one with a Kamui black medium and the other with an ultraskin hard tip....I can now focus on the tip and use the data given to me by the hit to form an accurate opinion on the tip because the shaft is not getting in the way.

We really are at an exciting time for pool. The technology and innovation is exciting.
 
I LOVE THEM.

Not because I like the way they play...I don't. Hit one for 5 min. Not for me. I like a bit more feedback and don't like the black (I could get over the color).

Love that it brings money into the sport. Money equals more marketing. More marketing means more sponsorship and events. Trickle down economics. Love it. Play with it. Not me. I got 6 Pre=Cat Pred's and 2 Gen 3 314's. I'm good for a long time.
 
KMRUNOUT said:
Specious reasoning lol. With respect either you don't understand why low deflection is more accurate, or your reasoning needs work. Do you always hit the cue ball precisely where you intend to?
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If you mean low deflection is more forgiving of stroke errors, that’s only true if the longer pivot length is closer to your bridge length. I think pivot lengths for “normal” squirt are about 8”-12” - low deflection is only more forgiving if your bridge is longer than that. Otherwise it’s actually less forgiving.

pj
chgo
 
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When I stroke, I need a comfort factor to stroke good. I don´t have it when I shot with the Revo.
I don´t like the sound, don´t like the dark colour and I don´t like the feeling when I shot with it.
So nothing for me.
 
ideologist said:
That's apples and oranges, lack of dings don't make you play better.

I'm not ranting for like or dislike of Revo shafts, but saying they are the future because of no dings is pretty specious reasoning. They don't play "better" and don't help the player perform better. You still have to adjust for the amount of squirt regardless of what shaft you use.
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It’s inherently more accurate to have to adjust for less squirt. Imagine adjusting for crosswind when shooting a bow and arrow - would you rather have more or less crosswind?

pj
chgo
 
garczar said:
Carbon-fiber allows a designer to pretty much do anything he wants. I know with golf shafts you can custom tailor weight, flex, torque and balance point to suit players of any level. I'm sure Predator has built a shaft with the parameters they feel fit the most players but there's nothing stopping them from custom building these to order. The cost factor would definitely be an issue on one-off designs.
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For many purist, playing with a synthetic shaft is akin to a MLB player using an aluminium bat. Some "advances" in technology are like a 3 dollar bill.
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Pangit said:
For many purist, playing with a synthetic shaft is akin to a MLB player using an aluminium bat. Some "advances" in technology are like a 3 dollar bill.
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Do you still on slow, nappy cloth? Still playing clay or ivory balls? Worsted-wool cloth and phenolic balls changed the game FAR more than this shaft will.
 
Pangit said:
For many purist, playing with a synthetic shaft is akin to a MLB player using an aluminium bat. Some "advances" in technology are like a 3 dollar bill.
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if they made aluminum bats legal in MLB, how many sluggers would switch if they could get an extra 50 feet on the deep ball? I'm guessing all of them.
"Purist" only goes so far, until it puts you at a disadvantage to the competition.

I'm not suggesting carbon fiber gives the pros an advantage...But who knows, in the future, maybe it will. How many times have I seen earl strickland bash, stroke, mistreat his cue then have to twist it and re-bend it or change it out because he doesn't like the feeling. Carbon fiber was almost invented for a player of his temperament.

Then there's Josh filler, extremely consistent robotic quality to his playing style, of course he would want a cue that plays with zero character traits or warps, weakens, unglues, over time.
 
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