CJ Wiley vs Dennis Orcollo
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Perfect summation, what you said about buddy.
When a top player puts it down, there is NO air for the opponent. Dennis wont run 10 racks in a row, and there is a high likelihood cj wont get a decent shot for 10 games in a row.
When a top player puts it down, there is NO air for the opponent. Dennis wont run 10 racks in a row, and there is a high likelihood cj wont get a decent shot for 10 games in a row.
That really has no bearing on the matchup we are discussing...except to illuminate how far from the pro game he is, today.
It isn't just pro players. Along with thousands of others who got ideas in their heads once they were able to string a few racks, the best thing that ever happened to me in a pool room was when I realized I could never make a living at it, and decided to choose a more profitable path to retirement. The saddest cases I know from BITD were the shortstops who could win a few hundred bucks now and then from the occasional chumps they'd luck into meeting, and then thought they could take that sort of thing and convert it into a life plan. Most of them were all very good people, but it was sad to see how most of them wound up. I'm glad that CJ was one of the smart ones who looked reality in the face and acted accordingly.
Looks like C J won the last leg of the DFW 9 Ball Tour this weekend. He didn't lose a match all weekend, beating Jeremy Jones in the final match.
That's good stuff. I didn't watch any of his matches. But this is 2018. Many decades since PCA/Dallas and Earls ten pack for a mil.
If I had to bet, with CJ in his prime and Parica or Hall in their prime. Could they give CJ the 7. I think yeah. Because at their level of play, the 7 doesn't mean much.
The value of the 7-ball spot changes with the playing conditions.
The 7 is far more valuable on a tighter table.
In Buddy’s prime, the conventional knowledge was that the 8 was worth the break...
...I never agreed with that....so many Gold Crowns had five inch pockets that I would
offer the 8 to keep the break.
So that 7-ball that Buddy used to give to Louis Roberts wasn’t all that valuable.
for a quick second, I thought that was Stephen Hendry on the poster instead of CJ wiley.
Here’s the link where it will be streamed. Live streamed to FB you can follow the profile to get notifications when it is live.
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100028869827184
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In CJ's prime nobody was giving him the seven. He played even with the world! Probably one of the few guys who Parica wouldn't offer a spot to. Remember, CJ was playing and beating Efren in his prime, at 9-Ball.
Last I heard when Efren played CJ, he spotted CJ 3 games to 17 in Dallas.
This was around '95 or '96. Efren won. CJ said Efren broke the balls better than he did ( he posted about it here ).
I still have the tape of CJ and Efren playing the finals at the Bike. They both played extremely well and Efren barely won.
CJ did beat Bustamante straight up. Iirc, they match up in Seattle. Busti's friend told me CJ shot the lights out.
CJ said Luat beat him one time and would no longer play him.
That's the CJ I remember as well.
Even though he had the potential to be the goat at some point, he was smart enough to foresee it being better for his future to walk away from pro pool.
How many people with his talent would have what it takes to do that today, not to mention back then when pool had not yet fallen so far?
Most every pro player stays with pool even if they literally have no chance at making a good living, much less be the goat.
Most people underestimate CJ's abilities that he had in his prime. Stuff like that makes me wonder about some peoples knowledge of billiards in general.
Rake
CJ back in the day at his very best was one of the very best Elite pool high stakes gamblers.
He played a fast and loose gunslinger style and when he hit his high gear he could put fear in the worlds best players.
He had some of the very smartest high stakes action guys behind him including Jr. Weldon Rogers who in my opinion was prolly the best pool gambler in history.
The great Grady Mathews once said Jr was the smartest gambler he ever saw in the pool world.
With CJ's firepower and the the smart money team of backers he had he prolly made more money gambling than any other player between the late 80's to mid 90's
As Jay has said in the past they followed Efren around the country to get him down in a game.
Yes they had the great Efren
in the crosshairs because of the huge money he had behind him.Maybe Jay will tell the story of when CJ finally caught up with Efren and locked him down in the Northwest for a huge score.
The type of guys CJ had on his team were all about the money and they were some of the very best at getting the money.
CJ is a long time friend of mine i am from Dallas and i was privileged to see him play at his very best many many times over the years.
But i have to say playing Dennis looks like a very BAD move to me lol this guy very well might be the best money player on the planet and the 7 ball is next to nothing for a guy who runs out almost every time he gets a open shot.
Good luck to both guys but unless CJ has some sort flashback his chances seem very slim to me. :frown:
In his AzB posts, CJ mentioned that match with Reyes many times. Here are some of them (with a little on Bustamante, too):
...I played Efren for 14 straight hours in Seattle in an all Filipino pool room...I missed 6 Balls in 14 hours and was ONE GAME BEHIND....luckily I was getting 3 games going to 22 for 3 sets...
- 2/28/2013: "I played Efren in an all Filipino pool room in Seattle, which was completely packed with multiple distractions going. We were also playing for 20K (I was betting my own), so it was a triple intense experience."
Old enough to know better but to young to care.
Everything?, I would have to say never.
CJ was a pro when you were in diapers.... Do you play or just talk about what other people should do ? I play and don't care about names , I don't even ask !!!! Let people do and be who they be . Worry bout yourself and go hit balls or something
AFAIK it is. Sullyvision FB page.
